Alaska Airlines B-737NG pilot's looking for work
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Bburks,
i'm 100% with you on everything, a very noble post.
You surely "fly at higher levels" , many here should learn from you.
I have quite a bit of experience flying around, contact me via PM if you need any specific info.
Regards.
i'm 100% with you on everything, a very noble post.
You surely "fly at higher levels" , many here should learn from you.
I have quite a bit of experience flying around, contact me via PM if you need any specific info.
Regards.
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Alrighty then....We need a world wide seniority list so we can base trade!
C'mon guys, why do you turn your noses up at people who have just been furloughed? Alaska Airlines is not a LCC, they are unionized and do their part to fight for better "T's and C's". He's asking for help to feed his family and you go off on him as if he flys narrow bodies for Sir Dick.
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C'mon guys, why do you turn your noses up at people who have just been furloughed? Alaska Airlines is not a LCC, they are unionized and do their part to fight for better "T's and C's". He's asking for help to feed his family and you go off on him as if he flys narrow bodies for Sir Dick.
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Tooloose & co , thanks for the proof that we are not cut from the same cloth ........priceless.
I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level.
Who said life was fair.
I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level.
Who said life was fair.
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WHOA, Big Fella!
Quote from kotakota:
"I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level."
A leisurely surf through several aviation job sites today found these, and similar, phrases in most of the European positions offered:
"Must have JAA licence endorsed with XXX Type Rating"
"Requires a Valid Medical Certificate issued by a JAA member state"
And my personal favorite,
"Must have the right to work in Europe (please do not apply if this is not relevant to you)"
Additionally, several positions outside the EU listed at least a preference for a JAA licence. So although it would be difficult to acquire the statistics, I would hypothesize that a significant majority of expat pilots world-wide are European.
To put it succinctly, 'If y'all gonna call my Mama a Ho, y'all bettah be knowin' who YO daddy is!'
"I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level."
A leisurely surf through several aviation job sites today found these, and similar, phrases in most of the European positions offered:
"Must have JAA licence endorsed with XXX Type Rating"
"Requires a Valid Medical Certificate issued by a JAA member state"
And my personal favorite,
"Must have the right to work in Europe (please do not apply if this is not relevant to you)"
Additionally, several positions outside the EU listed at least a preference for a JAA licence. So although it would be difficult to acquire the statistics, I would hypothesize that a significant majority of expat pilots world-wide are European.
To put it succinctly, 'If y'all gonna call my Mama a Ho, y'all bettah be knowin' who YO daddy is!'
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He's an american - irony doesn't figure - and believe me 35+ years of flying the pond has only confirmed this - a bit like the french - nice in small numbers but not as a crowd
He's an american - irony doesn't figure - and believe me 35+ years of flying the pond has only confirmed this - a bit like the french - nice in small numbers but not as a crowd
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level playing field?
After working with many expats abroad as well as several domestic us airlines I can honestly say that the pompous remarks made to this inquiry are not consistent with most professional pilots and obviously the comments of penile challenged individuals. And thats the points.
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Okay, since a little explanation seems to be needed I will try to clarify the point I intended to make.
1. I have no problem with bburks or anybody else seeking work anywhere in the world if they need to or want to. I have worked outside my own country in the past for a number of years. Bburks did not suggest, as some claim, that he needs to do so to feed his family. He would just like a little new experience for a year or so. I have no problem with this either and I wish him well in his quest.
2. I have nothing but admiration for the long standing policy of the US pilots' unions in ensuring that "overseas" pilots do not have easy access to employment in the US. This is the only way they can protect their conditions of employment from being undermined further.
3.I have a problem with European pilots inviting others to come and take up command positions in Europe at a time when Europe has plenty of pilots being laid off from command positions, having their promotions delayed or simply seeking their first job.
4.Ask yourselves why is MOL sending a recruiting roadshow to US airlines when he is putting his own pilots on short time or laying them off. Who will gain and who will lose from this?
5.I do not need a job in the US myself as I am approaching retirement after a long and very satisfying (for me) career. My question was merely a rhetorical one, designed to show our European colleagues, who seem willing to undermine and/or sacrifice their own colleagues' careers and conditions, how the sensible US pilots deal with a European pilot seeking work in the US. The Americans reacted exactly as expected and I admire and respect them for it. They are doing no more than looking after No. 1 as well as they can. It is ,though, rather difficult to understand the howls of indignation and streams of vitriol when ensue if someone else suggests doing the same.
6.I have nothing aganst America or Americans. In fact I have bought a house there and look forward to spending some of my time there when retired.
7. And yes, I know there are some Europeans working in the US.
1. I have no problem with bburks or anybody else seeking work anywhere in the world if they need to or want to. I have worked outside my own country in the past for a number of years. Bburks did not suggest, as some claim, that he needs to do so to feed his family. He would just like a little new experience for a year or so. I have no problem with this either and I wish him well in his quest.
2. I have nothing but admiration for the long standing policy of the US pilots' unions in ensuring that "overseas" pilots do not have easy access to employment in the US. This is the only way they can protect their conditions of employment from being undermined further.
3.I have a problem with European pilots inviting others to come and take up command positions in Europe at a time when Europe has plenty of pilots being laid off from command positions, having their promotions delayed or simply seeking their first job.
4.Ask yourselves why is MOL sending a recruiting roadshow to US airlines when he is putting his own pilots on short time or laying them off. Who will gain and who will lose from this?
5.I do not need a job in the US myself as I am approaching retirement after a long and very satisfying (for me) career. My question was merely a rhetorical one, designed to show our European colleagues, who seem willing to undermine and/or sacrifice their own colleagues' careers and conditions, how the sensible US pilots deal with a European pilot seeking work in the US. The Americans reacted exactly as expected and I admire and respect them for it. They are doing no more than looking after No. 1 as well as they can. It is ,though, rather difficult to understand the howls of indignation and streams of vitriol when ensue if someone else suggests doing the same.
6.I have nothing aganst America or Americans. In fact I have bought a house there and look forward to spending some of my time there when retired.
7. And yes, I know there are some Europeans working in the US.
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Tooloose-
So, in other words, you decided to hijack a thread about a US pilot inquiring about overseas opportunities(and possibly allowing a junior pilot to keep his job, at least for the time being), to make an obtuse post alluding to a parochial pissing contest between legacy and low-cost carriers in Europe.
And I missed the point?????? All you did was confuse the majority of us, and give some of the bitter and jealous an opportunity for some good old-fashioned Yank bashing.
You may have valid points, but I believe you chose the wrong target.
BTW, ALPA has had little or nothing to do with license reciprocity, and nothing to do with residency or alien work status. Nations (and their governments) are the ones practicing protectionism, and the companies who answer to those governments are just following the law.
Oh, and arem? Ironic sarcasm is a classic example of passive-aggressive behavior. And I should know, I was married to a Brit once.
TRUE irony is going to Brittania.com, doing a search on 'licence', and getting the response 'see - license'
So, in other words, you decided to hijack a thread about a US pilot inquiring about overseas opportunities(and possibly allowing a junior pilot to keep his job, at least for the time being), to make an obtuse post alluding to a parochial pissing contest between legacy and low-cost carriers in Europe.
And I missed the point?????? All you did was confuse the majority of us, and give some of the bitter and jealous an opportunity for some good old-fashioned Yank bashing.
You may have valid points, but I believe you chose the wrong target.
BTW, ALPA has had little or nothing to do with license reciprocity, and nothing to do with residency or alien work status. Nations (and their governments) are the ones practicing protectionism, and the companies who answer to those governments are just following the law.
Oh, and arem? Ironic sarcasm is a classic example of passive-aggressive behavior. And I should know, I was married to a Brit once.
TRUE irony is going to Brittania.com, doing a search on 'licence', and getting the response 'see - license'
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If you take the time to read my original post you will see that it makes no reference whatsoever to legacy and low cost carriers in Europe or anywhere else.
US government policy in this case did not arise in a vacuum. It is a response to very strong and effective lobbying by the unions in defence of their members interests. They are perfectly right to do this.
Addressing issues actually made is usually conducive to a more productive debate than resorting to personal abuse. The amount of personal abuse used is usually inversely related to the validity of the arguments used.
I suspect that Arem's reference to irony relates to peoples' inability to see a contradiction in their own argument, in this case, "US pilots seeking work overseas good, Overseas pilots seeking work in US bad."
US government policy in this case did not arise in a vacuum. It is a response to very strong and effective lobbying by the unions in defence of their members interests. They are perfectly right to do this.
Addressing issues actually made is usually conducive to a more productive debate than resorting to personal abuse. The amount of personal abuse used is usually inversely related to the validity of the arguments used.
I suspect that Arem's reference to irony relates to peoples' inability to see a contradiction in their own argument, in this case, "US pilots seeking work overseas good, Overseas pilots seeking work in US bad."
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Inspite all this european inteligentia and only apparent wisdom I find Bburks views one step beyond.
Tooloose is citing MOL and FR forgetting it's an all european ( or Irish as he is i should say) product and that maybe be a little american spirit could help raise a little bit the overall standards....especially if compared to the so popular (and cheap) eastern european ones we see spreading lately.
Tooloose is citing MOL and FR forgetting it's an all european ( or Irish as he is i should say) product and that maybe be a little american spirit could help raise a little bit the overall standards....especially if compared to the so popular (and cheap) eastern european ones we see spreading lately.
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"He's an american - irony doesn't figure - and believe me 35+ years of flying the pond has only confirmed this - a bit like the french - nice in small numbers but not as a crowd 
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Well then, here is a bit of irony for you......next time you have to fight the_____(Fill in the blank: Germans,Russians ,terrorists,etc) ,
DO IT YOURSELF, ingrate.
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Well then, here is a bit of irony for you......next time you have to fight the_____(Fill in the blank: Germans,Russians ,terrorists,etc) ,
DO IT YOURSELF, ingrate.
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I think if this thread stuck to the topic at hand and had all the antagonistic rhetoric deleted it would comprise of about 10 posts.
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Most of us at Alaska Airlines who are looking at leave's of absense are senior enough to avoid furlough's. However, if we are granted leaves, the more junior (and vulnerable) pilots will remain employed.
If only more Pilots were like you.
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bburks -
just ran into an ex-usairways pilot now flying for JET AIRWAYS - based out of SFO. B-777 or A-330. Seemed interesting if you want India-China-SFO routes.
Good Luck,
Metrojet
just ran into an ex-usairways pilot now flying for JET AIRWAYS - based out of SFO. B-777 or A-330. Seemed interesting if you want India-China-SFO routes.
Good Luck,
Metrojet
