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There is no specific type you start on...
apparently im told that if your a low hr pilot, youll go long haul, and if around 3000hrs then shorthaul, with possibility for a quicker command..
That was from a mate at netjets
apparently im told that if your a low hr pilot, youll go long haul, and if around 3000hrs then shorthaul, with possibility for a quicker command..
That was from a mate at netjets
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Well
with NJE you never know what you gonna get if you have 3000 hours JAR 25experience and captain experience , and netjets needs guys on large cabin aircraft (Falcon, Gulfstream) then you might be picked to go on that fleet and wait an average of 2 years before command.
So with Netjets there is no neccessery a quick upgrade.
It is either small cabin and fast upgrade or large cabin and very slow upgrade but very relax operation and cabin crew which make it nice instead of being facing the same guy for a week.
with NJE you never know what you gonna get if you have 3000 hours JAR 25experience and captain experience , and netjets needs guys on large cabin aircraft (Falcon, Gulfstream) then you might be picked to go on that fleet and wait an average of 2 years before command.
So with Netjets there is no neccessery a quick upgrade.
It is either small cabin and fast upgrade or large cabin and very slow upgrade but very relax operation and cabin crew which make it nice instead of being facing the same guy for a week.
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Using the word "tour" here, are we assuming a full 5 nights / 6 days away from home at a time, followed by 5 days off?
Is it ever the case that part of the tour passes through your gateway - e.g. LHR or LGW or BIG? Just trying to establish if you ever get to spend a night at home while on tour (assume that's normally not the case?)
Is it ever the case that part of the tour passes through your gateway - e.g. LHR or LGW or BIG? Just trying to establish if you ever get to spend a night at home while on tour (assume that's normally not the case?)
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Is it ever the case that part of the tour passes through your gateway - e.g. LHR or LGW or BIG?
But you should not count on it. It can happen often or never.
I am Nice based for example and although most crews will night stop there, it took me nearly a year to get my first one.
On the other hand since then I have had 2 days stanby during the middle of a tour, in Cannes (20 mins from home), 1 day SBY in Nice, 2 Night stops in Cannes, and 4 night stops in Nice. I have started from Nice or ended my tour about 4 times in 07.
This is pretty nice but of course it is in no way an acurate representation of what will happen next month or next year. It just can or cannot happen. A bit of a bonus if you like
.So once again and in order to avoid any disappointment,you should really count on being away 5 nights per tour and not less.
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Are the Hawkers 800s new - the 800XP-C versions? What percentage of the Falcons are of the EASY variety with the newer avionics? Lastly, when are the Falcon 7Xs and the Hawker 4000s expected on line? Will the 7Xs arrive before the end of 2008?
I have always thought NJE would be a great place for a career - although I have some time ahead of me before I will be competitive.
I have always thought NJE would be a great place for a career - although I have some time ahead of me before I will be competitive.
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Just a couple more Q's from my side:
Going on longhaul means what types, The Falcons and GV's?
How many sectors fit into a perfectly normal to completely abnormal day on both short and longhaul?
Are the 178 working days they mention on the site realistic?
Is the time it takes to position you "duty time", i.e.payed?
And talk about a "slow"upgrade , 2 years wait for an upgrade is A LOT less then at my present company...About one sixth of it , I guess
Going on longhaul means what types, The Falcons and GV's?
How many sectors fit into a perfectly normal to completely abnormal day on both short and longhaul?
Are the 178 working days they mention on the site realistic?
Is the time it takes to position you "duty time", i.e.payed?
And talk about a "slow"upgrade , 2 years wait for an upgrade is A LOT less then at my present company...About one sixth of it , I guess
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Regarding passing through your "Gateway", I am EGGW "based" and I do go through there reasonably often. I rarely go home as such as it's easier to be with the crew if there's a change. If on standby on Day 6 then I go home "early" as I can be back at the airport in 20 or so minutes. Amex is right though, count on being away for 5 nights. Best thing, you're home for 5 days in a row and the roster (once you're online) is very stable. You can request special days off given enough notice (at least a month).
The Hawker 800XP that are coming on are XPCs. There are no "new" XPs (ie Honeywell). I think we only have about 10 "old" XPs left, the rest are XPCs. Most are XPi's now any way. The Hawker 750's will have the Collins Proline 21 with the IFIS fitted too.
Don't know the Falcon Classic (Collins Proline 4 I believe) v EASy's. All the new ones are EASy's from what I can tell and I believe the new new ones will be the LX versions.
Don't know when the 7X or the 4000's will be online. The engineers are being trained now for the 7X. Probably some time during 2008 and onwards. Both types are big orders. I wouldn't plan my joining Netjets on what type's coming online when.
Longhaul is usually the Falcon 900 and the G5/550. Medium to longish haul is the Falcon 2000's. (I don't fly those types).
Most number of sectors in 1 day that I have done is 5. I have done that twice in over 2 years. (On the Hawker fleet). Nowadays, average seems to be 2-3 with the occassional 4 sector day thrown in.
178 days is about right. 200 days - leave. Throw in 2 recurrents and a GRT and that's another 9 days minimum off active flying. Since you're paid a salary then you are paid regardless how many days flying you do. You're also paid your per diems any day you're not on home standby. You're also paid from Day 0. That is, the day you're flown to Lisbon to begin Indoc. You're also paid your per diems as well. Average days per month flying would be 15-17. Occassionally on tour, Day 1 and Day 6 end up being pure airlining/travel days. Although, it can change...
I waited 2 years for my upgrade but that's considered a long time. If you have previous jet time or turboprop command time and you are keen/adapt quickly, then it is a lot less. Average I'd say is about 6 to 9 months depending. I was happy to wait that long as I wanted to get a couple of winters under my belt and to be very comfortable with the jet as it was my first jet.
I like the job. It's interesting and challenging. You do meet some very interesting owners and on the whole, they're very easy to look after. You do get thrown curve balls every now and then, you're paid to solve the problem and to offer safe solutions - if it means cancelling a flight or diverting, then so be it. The aeroplanes are new and I have great colleagues. Catching up with colleagues down route is great. You're allowed to hand fly and it's not just SID Airway STAR ILS every day. Ok, you have to load bags and sort out catering... but on the whole, it's fun.
The Hawker 800XP that are coming on are XPCs. There are no "new" XPs (ie Honeywell). I think we only have about 10 "old" XPs left, the rest are XPCs. Most are XPi's now any way. The Hawker 750's will have the Collins Proline 21 with the IFIS fitted too.
Don't know the Falcon Classic (Collins Proline 4 I believe) v EASy's. All the new ones are EASy's from what I can tell and I believe the new new ones will be the LX versions.
Don't know when the 7X or the 4000's will be online. The engineers are being trained now for the 7X. Probably some time during 2008 and onwards. Both types are big orders. I wouldn't plan my joining Netjets on what type's coming online when.
Longhaul is usually the Falcon 900 and the G5/550. Medium to longish haul is the Falcon 2000's. (I don't fly those types).
Most number of sectors in 1 day that I have done is 5. I have done that twice in over 2 years. (On the Hawker fleet). Nowadays, average seems to be 2-3 with the occassional 4 sector day thrown in.
178 days is about right. 200 days - leave. Throw in 2 recurrents and a GRT and that's another 9 days minimum off active flying. Since you're paid a salary then you are paid regardless how many days flying you do. You're also paid your per diems any day you're not on home standby. You're also paid from Day 0. That is, the day you're flown to Lisbon to begin Indoc. You're also paid your per diems as well. Average days per month flying would be 15-17. Occassionally on tour, Day 1 and Day 6 end up being pure airlining/travel days. Although, it can change...
I waited 2 years for my upgrade but that's considered a long time. If you have previous jet time or turboprop command time and you are keen/adapt quickly, then it is a lot less. Average I'd say is about 6 to 9 months depending. I was happy to wait that long as I wanted to get a couple of winters under my belt and to be very comfortable with the jet as it was my first jet.
I like the job. It's interesting and challenging. You do meet some very interesting owners and on the whole, they're very easy to look after. You do get thrown curve balls every now and then, you're paid to solve the problem and to offer safe solutions - if it means cancelling a flight or diverting, then so be it. The aeroplanes are new and I have great colleagues. Catching up with colleagues down route is great. You're allowed to hand fly and it's not just SID Airway STAR ILS every day. Ok, you have to load bags and sort out catering... but on the whole, it's fun.
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A short correction to whats been mentioned about upgrades.
i know as a fact as it happened to me , i joined with 3000 hours TT and captain experience on turbo prop jar 25 (ATR) , but i guess i was one of the less experienced guys in the pool of new indoc .
I got a large cabin aircraft and am seat lock for 18 months at least while some of my indoc pairs with same experience got small cabin aircraft and got upgraded just under a year after joining.
So i am now losing on salary, experience, captain seniority for tendering for large cabin aircraft Easy or Gulfstream or later 7X.
So if you want to join NJE and you have about 3000 h don t neccessary believe what you re told at the interview. you might end up on large cabin and be a first officer for an other 2years.
i know as a fact as it happened to me , i joined with 3000 hours TT and captain experience on turbo prop jar 25 (ATR) , but i guess i was one of the less experienced guys in the pool of new indoc .
I got a large cabin aircraft and am seat lock for 18 months at least while some of my indoc pairs with same experience got small cabin aircraft and got upgraded just under a year after joining.
So i am now losing on salary, experience, captain seniority for tendering for large cabin aircraft Easy or Gulfstream or later 7X.
So if you want to join NJE and you have about 3000 h don t neccessary believe what you re told at the interview. you might end up on large cabin and be a first officer for an other 2years.
