NetJets Hours

[Mike Whiskey Romeo]

Hi,

Does anyone know roughly how many hours a Netjets F/O will fly every year?

Thanks

[270/55G75]

depends on the fleet.

400-bravo : 300-400 hrs
excel-800 : 500-600 hrs
2000 : 600-700 hrs

other fleets : no idea

[Denti]

That isn't all that much especially on the small fleets. So you basicly sit around most of the time?

[redsnail]

No, you just do a lot of short sectors. I wouldn't call the small cabin fleet as guys just sitting around.

[Mike Whiskey Romeo]

Thanks Guys,

on another note, any idea what the sector pay is like? Also, how does the payscale increase after year one?

Thanks

[FL470]

try www.ppjn.com

[Finals19]

Any word of NJ lowering the 1500TT time requirement for DEP guys? (Got a little under that, mostly Air Taxi MEP, with about 400 of that MPIC) Sounds like an awesome outfit to work for!

[keepin it in trim]

There is no sector pay, company pays 70 euro a day for every day you are at work (ie not at home on standby), this is tax free.

If you are close to the 1500 hours then it does not hurt to apply, by the time you have been through the process you will probably be at the minimum.

best of luck

[Fella]

Do any NetJets pilots out there know if Europe NetJets would be interested in hiring an ICAO ATPL holder with 6000 hrs + on the promise of converting to a JAA licence ASAP? If so would such a licence holder be able to fly whilst studying, or will the licence be required before becoming productive?

[Ohio]

JAR rules I believe allow a one year, one-time, non-extendable waiver to operate JAA registered aircraft with a non-JAR license. I am not sure if Netjets would take advantage of this possibility by requesting a waiver for an ICAO-licensed pilot through the Portuguese INAC. I do know that Netjets does request waivers for European national licenses that are not able to be converted to JAR (these are not limited to a one year max length). My suggestion would be to apply and discuss the issue with the recruitment people.

Another important issue is whether one has the right to live/work in Europe.

Finally, it is not impossible to fly for Netjets and study and pass the JAR exams - but it is not a walk in the park. Requires a very significant amount of time studying manuals and/or going over and over the question banks on line.

[BAe 146-100]

Is it true that you can select one of 43 gateways in Europe as your permenant base? Is the flying always via those bases or do you get positioned to other bases to fly even though you only are based at one gateway city? If you were at Manchester for example what would be the flying hours per year, just the same as the other bases or not?

Cheers
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[5green]

Just have a look right here:
http://www.netjetseurope.com/data/en...p_careers.html

[Aussie]

Yeah mate, you are at a gateway and get flown by airline to the aircraft before your tour of duty, and likewise after.. so unlike the airlines, the amount of flying you do doesnt depend on where you live...

thats my understanding anyway, and if its not correct, im sure someone will jump at me!

[keepin it in trim]

Yes you can live at (near) any of the listed gateways, the choice is yours.

Do not get confused between a gateway and a base, netjets does not have bases. On day 1 of tour the company will position you to where ever the aircraft is. Your colleague, who will almost certainly be "gatewayed" somewhere else, will do likewise. You meet at the aircraft and off you go for 6 days. On day 6 the company will position you back to your gateway, you do whatever you do for 5 days and then start again.

Where you're "gateway" is has no effect on the number of hours you fly, different fleets tend to have different types of flight. Each type has its own challenges, some may fly less hours but that can mean lots of short busy sectors, others have longer sectors but have the fun value of dealing with eastern european air traffic, the GV guys just have it easy

[BAe 146-100]

Thanks guys, Netjets sounds like an intresting company to fly for.

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[A Very Civil Pilot]

They are now running an OATS sponsored cadet scheme. Does that mean that there are few experienced pilots willing to work for them?

[PPRuNeUser0215]

They recruit between 200 and 300 guys a year so part of the master plan to get the numbers is to use cadets.

[keepin it in trim]

The last 5 or 6 new pilots I flew with had between 3000 and 7000 hours when they joined, the majority had command in their previous company, and around half had a lot of jet time. Most are ex-airline or ex-military, or both.

I enjoy it, but it is not for everyone. You can have quite long days, and you have to think on your feet and do quite a bit of problem solving. You work for 6 days, and that 6 days could take you literally anywhere, so if you are a fan of routine it is probably not for you.

The roster is very stable, you know the days you are working, I do not get hassled by the office on my days off. The aircraft are very nice and you work with a great bunch of people, I happen to think that the fleet I am on is the best, funnily enough the vast majority of my colleagues on other fleets feel the same about their fleet

Yes on busy days it can be a little crazy, and I have had my share of getting fraught with the office and them getting fraught with me when it starts going a little "pear shaped". At the end of some tours I have been absolutely exhausted. Other tours have been pretty low stress. I have been to some amazing places (some places I won't miss if I never go there again!), and as I said earlier 99% of the colleagues I have worked with are a pleasure to spend 6 days with (I just hope they think that about me!).

The contract and salary/benefits are something that depending on where you live or are taxed can be a big issue, look carefully. There have been many changes in the last 18 months, and while there are still things that could be improved, on balance, I think overall it is pretty good.

I am sure that other people will have other views, and there are plenty of opinions on pprune about netjets, from past and current employees, read, digest, make up your own mind. I offer one last thought, the perfect company for everybody probably doesn't exist, so in the end you have to go with what most matches what you want out of life. Have a good day.

[BAe 146-100]

keepin it in trim,

Thanks for the detailed analysis of the operation. What kind of routes crop up more than others as part of the 6 day tour? What unusual places can you visit with Netjets on the 6 day tour - or can it really just be anywhere in Europe?

Cheers
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[Jonny-no-stars]

Really sorry if this has already been covered but what fleet due you join on (3K med/hvy jet hrs), and is there a progression available between fleets?
Thanks.