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BA and BALPA already agreed on EU 757 Pilots

Old 24th Aug 2007, 09:31
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Some clarifications for you dreamshiner:

Johnny Foreigner - Multitude of issues however BA already employ groundstaff in every airport mentioned, is it hard to add 14 pilots (guess) per base?
BA don't employ groundstaff at any of these airports other than some rare engineering support. Most European staff have been laid off or transferred to a handling company. To run a single daily 757 service to JFK you need a base of approximately 40 pilots.

(don't know the setup was with BMED, but LoganAir fly with BA livery and get shit pay and don't see a whole lot of strike threats from mainline in support, or is it only juicy 7.5 hour Shanwick-Gander routes with a juicy layover that cause this uproar)
BMED operated some BA routes and some of their own on routes that were considered so thin BA couldn't make a profit and using a custom fit of seats that was unique to BMed. They did this using BMed slots at LHR. BA used the slots that had been used for these destinations for more profitable routes. The EU-US routes BA see as a sure fire money winner so the franchise logic does not apply, especially as the route is to our most profitable destination.

As for your LoganAir comment, tell me, what business is it of BA pilots to strike on behalf of LoganAir pilots or any other airlines pilots? Apart from the fact it would be illegal it's LoganAirs pilots responsibility to fight for their rights and nobody elses. And juicy layovers? Perhaps you can tell me whats so 'juicy' about 16 hours in New York? Thats worth about £32 to me, I can eat that much food in that time without too much difficulty.
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Old 24th Aug 2007, 17:37
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Ba pilots will not be happy for non mainline crew because of;
-it's their job and a future command
-the operation is expanding without mainline pilots thus 'diluting' the ba pilot workforce, potentially weakening their position
-a two teir system may develop, new ba mainline flights & ba a/c with mainline and non-mainline crew. This can have an effect on pay deals & T&C

An analogy - It's a bit like Naps and BARP (money purchase). Within x years, the majority of pilots in BA will be on BARP. The company will withdraw NAPS for all members. All future pensions will be BARP. There will be lots of noise from the minority of NAPS pilots, but no strike. History repeats itself in different ways, and some are not able to see beyond their own hand - just the way management would like
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Old 24th Aug 2007, 18:29
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Have you ever had the term 'prophet of doom' applied to you Barry? Remind me how much it would cost BA to close NAPS to existing members please. By the way are you in BARPS? Just wanted to see what angle you were coming from on that particular comment.

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Old 25th Aug 2007, 00:21
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Hand Solo,
I am in naps and grateful for it. 'prophet of doom' or a realist? It would cost BA a lot of money to close naps now, but who said now? I'm talking about perhaps 5-10 years in the future. From a business sense,if any company can,will it stay in a FSS pension? There are a few, but that is because their business ethos and culture is completely different to BA's.

People need to think for themselves, outside the box and try and understand what they want as employees but also what their employers want to gain +/- from them. All too often in a lot of industries there is a one dimensional thought process applied (not aimed at you Hand Solo) by management and general employees, as a result a lot of mis-perception and mis-communication arises. Could you please answer me this question; If you are an employer with a FSS, would you want it ultimately replaced with a money purchase scheme?
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Old 25th Aug 2007, 19:28
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We hear (from an excellent source) that BA are approaching recently retired BA 757 guys to start this operation...CDG and BRU to JFK...
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 14:45
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See www.projectlauren.co.uk for furthur details...
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 14:54
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projectlauren? Is this a wind up?
Doesn't exactly look like a genuine site to me!
If so, not funny. This is people's lives / careers we're talking about here.
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 15:18
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RE projectlauren

It doesn't take much to work out its BA does it!

1) "a major European flag carrier "

2) .co.uk address

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Old 10th Oct 2007, 17:04
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I'm afraid it's not a wind up, and it's definitely BA.... a BA manager confirmed it today, and said they're looking at CDG-JFK as the first route.
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 17:20
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Absolutely 100% BA..next acft to arrive Nov 08 and bases of Milan and (I think) Frankfurt shortly after..don't quote me on the FRA, it was somewhere in Germany but I'd had a couple of glasses of vino....still no mention of the official name of the outfit though.....
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 22:20
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So what next?

The advert is out, people applying. Interesting that they are looking for TRE/TRI as well!

As I stated at the start of the thread, this was decided and agreed a few months ago. Please be under no illusion that BALPA and BA are negotiating over this now, BA have already decided. BALPA members will be told after a while that BALPA did their best but to no avail Then we'll have the, but mainline pilots are too expensive, not from the company, from our union, who have already hinted as much by saying don't you know that the top BA captain get's paid £xxx,xxx (of course they forgot to mention that this was a longhaul trainer who did loads of overtime etc, etc).
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 08:46
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Must be fun living in your little conspiracy world. So are BA negotiating, or a have they decided? They can't be doing both. What if BALPA undercut BAs forecast cost base? You certainly live up to your username here! Some of us are getting rather tired of your selective and frequently innaccurate quotes from BALPA. BALPA have said nothing, zip, nyada about the negotiations and thats for a very good reason. If they started responding to angry demands from information from people who think they have a right to know it then regardless of the damage it would caue we really would be in trouble.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 09:35
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Hand Solo Let's hope BALPA don't negotiate another GSS type deal then. Problem with BA is that they think of a number, halve it and then decide that is the going rate. It's up to us AND BALPA to protect BA pilot jobs and improve opportunities. Let's remember that BA pilots are already benchmarked. The problem with BA's costbase are the other groups of staff we know that are grossly overpaid for their jobs. A quick look at other threads shows CSD's and Pursers taking home 3000 -3500 a month.
Are they to be included in BA's new cost structure?
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 10:15
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May I introduce some of you BA types to the real world.
There are alot of well qualified 7576 (including retirees..ahem) types out there in the uk currently and their world is in flux. They will be applying. You wont strike.

You moan about BALPA being toothless however they have to defend a bunch of self centred primma donnas who havent quite caught up with the plot.
Pilots commuting fom australia now moaning because they cant bid 50/75 percent and their little earner is over.. Absolutlely ridiculous. If the management had balls they would just wait observe their self induced fatigue and can them. Can you believe it.Get a job with Qantas.

The sby Pilot moaning that the blocks are too long and the LHR car park too far away from his midlands house so can it all be changed. Poor thing apparantly sits in his uniform from the start of the sby.

The list is endless. lets allow the public on the forums and let them see what a buch of idiots we (now you) are.Against a background of puerile compalints like this you expect BALPA to have any credibility at all. Its the members fault. Self opinionated whinging Nigels. Demands to represent this sort of chaff neuters Balpas effectiveness and credibility.

Any way back to the point. Youve got a nice cake from which you are all feeding happily . Another cake is being baked. Guess what you wont get both. Go on strike if you will. Thats what walsh wants. You will get very little sympathy from the industry or the public because you are out of touch with the real world. Be happy with your current industry leading package and stop being so fecking selfish, arrogant and basically pains in the ass.

OH and good use of selective support for logan air. Dont you want to crew the otter as well.

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Old 11th Oct 2007, 10:23
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BOTH. .......................And your pointless arrogant dig at my spelling empahsises the arrogance here.I note that you are ex mil now BA. Well that about sums it up. My dyslexia hasnt hindered me thus far. Got My pension old boy , just thought you might need to see what its like in the real world.My dear Biggles you really have no clue how these BA issue are viewed outside if you think I have no grasp of the subject matter.. I suggest you count your chickens and go and help get Pablo a job.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 12:59
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You really are bitter! You're not management are you?
What an idiot. Welcome to my ignore list.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 13:26
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I do believe you are being wound up old bean
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 16:51
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If this is to be run as a seperate airline outside of the UK is there anything BALPA could do about it?
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 17:55
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Yes its called the SCOPE agreement.
However it doesnt cover USA basing (since it was never required)
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