Pilot Redundancies at Thomas Cook
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if you do loose your jobs guys ( and i sincerly hope you dont) dont worry there are plenty of jobs in the middle east if you are boeing and airbus qualified. just for information etihad, qater , emirates and also Oman air are all desperate for pilots. And even further out India and Far East also have opportunities. Just start to spread those wings out and dont worry.
i know its a big sacrifice to leave all that rain behind, but at least some of the pay is tax free !
i know its a big sacrifice to leave all that rain behind, but at least some of the pay is tax free !
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Anyone know if a company makes staff redundant they can not re-recruite into that position without offering the job back to the redundant personel first? OR is there a time limit on it?
TUPE (from experience) gives greater rites and protection to those that are transferred in to the company that has taken over than those already in it.
Our matrix was made up of numerous things that we scored points on, qualifications, sickness, interview for our job scores! and probably some more that I didn't know about. It's not a nice process to be involved in that's for sure.
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Did that wee tit-bit of information come to you as divine inspiration or did you just make it up?
You certainly seem to be the only one in this company with that level of info!
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Did that wee tit-bit of information come to you as divine inspiration or did you just make it up?
You certainly seem to be the only one in this company with that level of info!
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I was the last man on the TCX seniority list after Sept 11th, so I have some experience of TCX redundancy issues.
All I can say is tht NO-ONE was made redundant last time and I doubt they will be this time either.
Situations have a way of working themselves out.
Ask your CC's to explore the possibilities of the enhanced career break options that were offered last time. Basically guys disappeared to other airlines for between 2 and 5 years. Their seniority was preserved on the list and they were eventually given recall dates. I went to DHL. And then I returned for 3 more summers before finally poking off from TCX for good.
The key to survival in instances like this is to be proactive. Get applying for other jobs and take one if it's offered.
Unlike Sept11th, there are loads of jobs out there now. You can bet your bottom dollar TCX will be recruiting this winter......
Good luck.
All I can say is tht NO-ONE was made redundant last time and I doubt they will be this time either.
Situations have a way of working themselves out.
Ask your CC's to explore the possibilities of the enhanced career break options that were offered last time. Basically guys disappeared to other airlines for between 2 and 5 years. Their seniority was preserved on the list and they were eventually given recall dates. I went to DHL. And then I returned for 3 more summers before finally poking off from TCX for good.
The key to survival in instances like this is to be proactive. Get applying for other jobs and take one if it's offered.
Unlike Sept11th, there are loads of jobs out there now. You can bet your bottom dollar TCX will be recruiting this winter......
Good luck.
that TCX are already looking at 08 recruitment. I don't know if this is just cadet level though.Join Date: Jan 2005
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I know for a fact if TCX pilots are to be made redundant...and replaced by canadians 3 months later....strike action will follow.
MYT may be used to be treated like s***e (summer only captians demoted to F/O for the winter, canadian captians taking the place of uk pilots etc) but thomas cook will not stand for it.
MYT pilots need to be re-educated of how a proper, decent company is run. And even though thomas cook isn't the perfect employer, there is a limit.
Not a good start for Frank Pullman. half the workforce is already against him.
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MYT may be used to be treated like s***e (summer only captians demoted to F/O for the winter, canadian captians taking the place of uk pilots etc) but thomas cook will not stand for it.
MYT pilots need to be re-educated of how a proper, decent company is run. And even though thomas cook isn't the perfect employer, there is a limit.
Not a good start for Frank Pullman. half the workforce is already against him.
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MYT pilots need to be re-educated of how a proper, decent company is run.
We all have concerns going to this but attitudes like that don't help. Try voicing you concerns through your union and from my viewpoint, I think this situation has been highlighted, the union has 'polled' the TCX workforce and I'm positive both BALPA and the company are debating the issue.
Not a good start for Frank Pullman. half the workforce is already against him.
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yea sorry i shouldnt really leave posts on here after a night out. 
ill try and explain my reasons.
I was aiming my comments more at the the management rather than the MYT pilots when I said that MYT pilots need to be re-educated....although pilots were in my sentence. MYT have been under a real threat of redundancies over the past few years, therefor terms and conditions have been allowed to errode for the greater good.....however now we are merging 2 profitable companies, so the agreements that i refered to are not acceptable...certainly when the threat of redundancies are on the table.
My comment on Frank Pullman.......the reason half the workforce is already against him, is because the first communication that tcx employees received from our new leader, an email on a friday night at 6pm was a list of the forcast redundancies. without the fleet management, rostering managers having any clue of the numbers. great first impression.
ill try and explain my reasons.I was aiming my comments more at the the management rather than the MYT pilots when I said that MYT pilots need to be re-educated....although pilots were in my sentence. MYT have been under a real threat of redundancies over the past few years, therefor terms and conditions have been allowed to errode for the greater good.....however now we are merging 2 profitable companies, so the agreements that i refered to are not acceptable...certainly when the threat of redundancies are on the table.
My comment on Frank Pullman.......the reason half the workforce is already against him, is because the first communication that tcx employees received from our new leader, an email on a friday night at 6pm was a list of the forcast redundancies. without the fleet management, rostering managers having any clue of the numbers. great first impression.
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Now I've looked at you previous posts (especially 3rd March 2007, 00:33 ), I can see why you have concerns about the possible redunancies. There a number of concerns both both sides and there some 'healthy' debate going on both the company and union websites.
Just a quick thought that may make you feel a little more positive...when looking at the protential loss of pilots, just ask yourself if the TCX contract pilots were on the TCX seniority list when the numbers were decided upon.
We are all in agreement (including FP) that an e-mail wasn't the best method even though it got this information to the troops. I think the last airline update newsletter might clarify what happend and why (I won't post sections of it on here).
Also, from what I hear, I think most of your colleagues in TCX HQ (CH) have met him as he spent numerous days there. I think you might find a straight talking honest PPL owner. who is passionate about the airline he works at.
Our terms and conditions are some of the best in the country!! Have a look at scheduling agreement, Day off payements system. Yes we have canadians come over during the busy months and we send ours over the winter. We just have a different relationship with our colleagues across the pond. Also our temporary (Summer only) captains keep their command when they operate over there. The only reason promotion hasn't been around for 3 years is the recovery from shake-up. I think you might find a different attiude if there are UK compulsory redundancies.
We're are all guilty of that!! 
Just a quick thought that may make you feel a little more positive...when looking at the protential loss of pilots, just ask yourself if the TCX contract pilots were on the TCX seniority list when the numbers were decided upon.
We are all in agreement (including FP) that an e-mail wasn't the best method even though it got this information to the troops. I think the last airline update newsletter might clarify what happend and why (I won't post sections of it on here).
Also, from what I hear, I think most of your colleagues in TCX HQ (CH) have met him as he spent numerous days there. I think you might find a straight talking honest PPL owner. who is passionate about the airline he works at.
MYT have been under a real threat of redundancies over the past few years, therefor terms and conditions have been allowed to errode for the greater good
yea sorry i shouldnt really leave posts on here after a night out.
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Don't read too much into this rumour of redundancies...frank pullman is an extremely competent manager and a real peoples person,the type of manager we would all do well to have heading our company operation.the deciding factor will be this summers operating performance in the inclusive holiday market,which is being well and trully squeezed by the locost flight only operators.if losses are inevitable then cutbacks will have to be made and any serious reduction in flight operations will have to lead to a head count reduction.the upside of this market shift,is that the capacity lost in the inclusive tour market will be taken up by the flight only experts,with the obvious demand in their flight ops departments.the airline industry has never been more fluid than at present and we all have to be prepared to make a move as and when the market changes.gone are the days of a job for life with steady promotion and a fat pension pot at the end.