How many Bacon pilots have actually left?
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How many Bacon pilots have actually left?
There has been a lot of talk from the ex-Bacon guys about leaving but how many of you have actually resigned?
I'm just curious about how many extra pilots we will be getting. I suspect not that many with the desperation recruitment currently going on at Flybe. To those that move on best of luck and to those that join us best of luck!!!
I'm just curious about how many extra pilots we will be getting. I suspect not that many with the desperation recruitment currently going on at Flybe. To those that move on best of luck and to those that join us best of luck!!!
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Well I have gone up just over 100 places on the seniority list since the Dec bid, and I know of several who have left or working notice since the list was issued! And after closing BRS on day two even those who were optimistic are now getting nervous for the future!
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The total figure of left and working notice stands at over 100.
Personally I know of others who are still cv ing and interviewing.
I know of only a few who actually wish to work for flybe and some who may have no choice.
I expect there will be more bailing out after the BRS debacle.
Clever way of increasing your crew numbers flybe.
Personally I know of others who are still cv ing and interviewing.
I know of only a few who actually wish to work for flybe and some who may have no choice.
I expect there will be more bailing out after the BRS debacle.
Clever way of increasing your crew numbers flybe.
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I too have gone up 115 places since the last seniority list was published. There are now 321 pilots on the list compared to 451 on the last list. People are leaving all the time though. I have a job starting in August. Haven't resigned yet but may do soon and take the summer off.
Rumour control has it that there will be no 146 flying from MAN after the end of this month, just touring from other bases. This doesn't particularly appeal to me, so I might as well go ASAP.
There is only 1 MAN 146 F/O left who doesn't have a job to go to, and no more than a handful of captains.
Rumour control has it that there will be no 146 flying from MAN after the end of this month, just touring from other bases. This doesn't particularly appeal to me, so I might as well go ASAP.
There is only 1 MAN 146 F/O left who doesn't have a job to go to, and no more than a handful of captains.
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I too have moved up about 100 places on the seniority list!
I must be one of the few who has had second thoughts about leaving!
I had the offer of F/O position on a 737 with another well known carrier (type rating to be paid for by them with a 3 year bond), but decided to stay with Bacon/Flybe after being offered a command on the Emb 145.
What swung it for me is that your pay is "red ringed" when the time comes to be transfered to a turboprop.
I must be one of the few who has had second thoughts about leaving!
I had the offer of F/O position on a 737 with another well known carrier (type rating to be paid for by them with a 3 year bond), but decided to stay with Bacon/Flybe after being offered a command on the Emb 145.
What swung it for me is that your pay is "red ringed" when the time comes to be transfered to a turboprop.
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Regarding the movement up the seniority list.
Is this additional to the splitting of the company in two. In other words, are the new BACF pilots included, or now excluded from that list?
It would make a very big difference to the significance of those numbers!
Is this additional to the splitting of the company in two. In other words, are the new BACF pilots included, or now excluded from that list?
It would make a very big difference to the significance of those numbers!
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Tandem - you are correct. The BACF guys are included. The answer is 70 from the 3rd November. Therefore those that have resigned from that date include those that were in the process before the announcement was made. There are more to come however........
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The seniority list has only 321 pilots on it because the 100ish citiflyer pilots have been taken out.Although there are a significant number of new guys being added to the bottom.
The word from crewing/ops - they have over 120 people working notice, not to mention all those with start dates with easy in August who are sitting on their notice.........
The word from crewing/ops - they have over 120 people working notice, not to mention all those with start dates with easy in August who are sitting on their notice.........
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Having taken a look at Flybe's nice new PCs sitting in our crewroom, from what I can see of their SOPs, I might be joining the exodus very soon as well. Man and Boy, lovely. I thought I didn't like the BA stuff, but perhaps it wasn't so bad after all.....
No talking to ground crews, no this no that, setups still there, Captain gets the thrust levers on take-off, can't figure out why they'll bother letting me start the engines, may as well hand that back too and just fill out paperwork. After all, the Journey log's back and the airplan layout has twice as many boxes to fill in too. Progrerssive it is not and this winter I have the wonderful priviledge of losing my jet seat and moving to the RHS of a Q400 to put the ice on the cake.
Even Ryanair sounds appealing right now. I got to see FlyBE's seniority list too, and there's a lot of green lines throughout the list- folk working notice. I'm not actually sure who has the higher percentage of leavers, us or FlyBE?
Depressing stuff. Then again, I still count myself lucky I'm not BRS based. Last time I took a drive about, I wondered that I might like to be based there as the area looked very nice. Best of luck to all you folks down Bristol way getting jobs with the big Orange or whoever.
No talking to ground crews, no this no that, setups still there, Captain gets the thrust levers on take-off, can't figure out why they'll bother letting me start the engines, may as well hand that back too and just fill out paperwork. After all, the Journey log's back and the airplan layout has twice as many boxes to fill in too. Progrerssive it is not and this winter I have the wonderful priviledge of losing my jet seat and moving to the RHS of a Q400 to put the ice on the cake.
Even Ryanair sounds appealing right now. I got to see FlyBE's seniority list too, and there's a lot of green lines throughout the list- folk working notice. I'm not actually sure who has the higher percentage of leavers, us or FlyBE?
Depressing stuff. Then again, I still count myself lucky I'm not BRS based. Last time I took a drive about, I wondered that I might like to be based there as the area looked very nice. Best of luck to all you folks down Bristol way getting jobs with the big Orange or whoever.
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Now flaps - just hold on a minute. The sop's are just a bit different - you will get used to them - you know people don't like change. Thank god the journey log is back - we will be able to write down what has gone wrong and then see it get fixed, rather than collect info for a statistic.
You don't have to give up your seat on the plastic pig for the rhs of a superdash - just take a command in Man and move off the island - your choice mate! Ice on cake is nice to take!!
I reckon you should try FR and see how you get on ha ha
Depressing stuff? b@llocks! Great to get back to the way it was
onwards and upwards
You don't have to give up your seat on the plastic pig for the rhs of a superdash - just take a command in Man and move off the island - your choice mate! Ice on cake is nice to take!!
I reckon you should try FR and see how you get on ha ha
Depressing stuff? b@llocks! Great to get back to the way it was
onwards and upwards
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Sorry folks, just having a grumpy old man moment...my bike had a flat battery and bump starting it always pisses me off....how I love earlies.
The SOP changes for the 146 appear to be that the captain does all the ground coms, the PF starts, we do setups like now and on take off the captain does the reject. It's a bit like our old Manx/BRAL SOP except the setup and they let you start the engines, without all the rest of it. Not too bad really. We'll get used to it in no time at all. I suspect we will have no time at all either, because we'll be moved onto these SOPs very quickly indeed. Interesting use, or lack of it, for the APU. I do reckon that's not such a bad idea really. If you don't need it, don't use it. Quite logical.
If I'd wanted to move to Manchester I'd have done it years ago, Q300 command three years ago if I'd wanted it. Huge pay cut forced my hand really.
Wifey's about to drop another soon, so I'm stuck here for a while yet.
The SOP changes for the 146 appear to be that the captain does all the ground coms, the PF starts, we do setups like now and on take off the captain does the reject. It's a bit like our old Manx/BRAL SOP except the setup and they let you start the engines, without all the rest of it. Not too bad really. We'll get used to it in no time at all. I suspect we will have no time at all either, because we'll be moved onto these SOPs very quickly indeed. Interesting use, or lack of it, for the APU. I do reckon that's not such a bad idea really. If you don't need it, don't use it. Quite logical.
If I'd wanted to move to Manchester I'd have done it years ago, Q300 command three years ago if I'd wanted it. Huge pay cut forced my hand really.
Wifey's about to drop another soon, so I'm stuck here for a while yet.
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Hey Flappy, I've never heard YOU that down before - don't sweat it! You made your choice for the IOM and all those advantages haven't gone away. The turmoil of the changes will be short and sour, and then all will become as it was; in fact given the supposed exodus, you'll probably end up with a command ON the IOM, there must be a lot of wrinklies about to retire! Give my best to Phil!
Oh, and congrats on the latest - you must have nearly a full crew by now, are family allowances better on the rock as well?
Oh, and congrats on the latest - you must have nearly a full crew by now, are family allowances better on the rock as well?
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AnotherFlapOperator: Depending on your hours, you might very well find yourself in the LHS of the Q400 not the RHS.
As for SOPs:
Captain talks to ground crew.
PF starts engines.
Captain taxis out and lines up.
PF has control once cleared t-o.
PF will carry out any rejected t-o.
PF has control entire flight.
PF carries out landing.
Captain takes control at 60knots on landing and vacates runway and taxis in.
As for the journey log and areas to be filled in on the flight plans - yes they are a bit tedious but generally the info is off blocks time, t-o time, ramp fuel, fuel burnt, fuel remaining, on blocks time, landing time, did you tank fuel?, did you use a gpu?, did any crew member have a taxi before or after their duty?, did you de-ice and how much fluid did you use if so?, who was PF for the sector?, did you have a push back?, did you carry out a practise or actual low vis app?, how many paxs, infs, cargo?
As I said it can be tedious but more often than not its no to most of that lots on the journey log so its all quite straight forward.
As for SOPs:
Captain talks to ground crew.
PF starts engines.
Captain taxis out and lines up.
PF has control once cleared t-o.
PF will carry out any rejected t-o.
PF has control entire flight.
PF carries out landing.
Captain takes control at 60knots on landing and vacates runway and taxis in.
As for the journey log and areas to be filled in on the flight plans - yes they are a bit tedious but generally the info is off blocks time, t-o time, ramp fuel, fuel burnt, fuel remaining, on blocks time, landing time, did you tank fuel?, did you use a gpu?, did any crew member have a taxi before or after their duty?, did you de-ice and how much fluid did you use if so?, who was PF for the sector?, did you have a push back?, did you carry out a practise or actual low vis app?, how many paxs, infs, cargo?
As I said it can be tedious but more often than not its no to most of that lots on the journey log so its all quite straight forward.