How many Bacon pilots have actually left?
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Minor correction to the above if I may AlphaCharlie:
The SOPs you list are true for the Dash there are a few changes for the 146 and I have no idea about the SOPs on the wonderjet.
On the 146:
Captain talks to ground crew.
PF starts engines.
PF taxis out and lines up.
After the takeoff power is set the Captain covers the thrust levers and will carry out any rejected t-o.
PF has control entire flight.
PF carries out landing.
PF vacates runway and taxis in.
The SOPs you list are true for the Dash there are a few changes for the 146 and I have no idea about the SOPs on the wonderjet.
On the 146:
Captain talks to ground crew.
PF starts engines.
PF taxis out and lines up.
After the takeoff power is set the Captain covers the thrust levers and will carry out any rejected t-o.
PF has control entire flight.
PF carries out landing.
PF vacates runway and taxis in.
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Minor addition to SOP for nthe Dash, but I have found most captains encourage me to speak to pax and groundcrew for start and initial hello to encourage Captaincy skills I would imagine.....lots of great hands on flying in my first 6 months!
but I have found most captains encourage me to speak to pax and groundcrew for start and initial hello to encourage Captaincy skills I would imagine
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Oh, dear, I hope my initial post hasn't stirred up a hornet's next regarding SOPs. I apologise if it has, and if it hyjacks the thread a bit as well. Sorry.
LHS? Doubt it.
With the current plan, we have enough Manxies for three aircraft in the LHS, but I'm STILL one from last on the list, that's the way it's always been on the rock. When I joined it was four aircraft and reasonable career prospects if you chose to stay, but BA put paid to that. In reality, the Island is basically a place where you end up suspended in time, dead man's shoes and all that. If you have dreams of large aircraft and going places, avoid it like the plague! Grump over.
PDG of the Antarctic has thrown the towel in, so will be offski in a couple of months. Timed to perfection, bless. We'll miss the old lump like the others who've pulled the pin and settled for a happy retirement. Big old pussycat, but he'd kill me for saying it, if he ever found out how to use a PC and come on here!
The reject bit I can handle easily but I do think the F/O reject was a good idea, it saved time. Different train set, that's all!
The IOM ground crews are delighted they won't have to listen to me though, so at least someone will be better off! - Allways a bright side if you look hard enough!
LHS? Doubt it.
With the current plan, we have enough Manxies for three aircraft in the LHS, but I'm STILL one from last on the list, that's the way it's always been on the rock. When I joined it was four aircraft and reasonable career prospects if you chose to stay, but BA put paid to that. In reality, the Island is basically a place where you end up suspended in time, dead man's shoes and all that. If you have dreams of large aircraft and going places, avoid it like the plague! Grump over. PDG of the Antarctic has thrown the towel in, so will be offski in a couple of months. Timed to perfection, bless. We'll miss the old lump like the others who've pulled the pin and settled for a happy retirement. Big old pussycat, but he'd kill me for saying it, if he ever found out how to use a PC and come on here!
The reject bit I can handle easily but I do think the F/O reject was a good idea, it saved time. Different train set, that's all!
The IOM ground crews are delighted they won't have to listen to me though, so at least someone will be better off! - Allways a bright side if you look hard enough!
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Scratch that, instead of most I should have written 'some', as to disregarding SOP's, mmmm we are really going to fall out the sky if the FO speaks to the punters rather than the Capt! 
do get a life!
do get a life!
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MVE ... No you won't fall out of the sky. But if you disregard the simplest SOPs, how on earth are you going to follow the more complex ones? And who are you to pick and choose from the rules laid down by your employer? Get a (professional) life!
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Flyboy, it was more a question of getting a feel for whether the rumours are true that we are not going to get as many pilots as first thought. A poll on here would have little real value and my original question has been answered or at least as well as it could on an annonymous forum anyway, regards.....
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145 SOPs
It seems we are to continue with monitored approaches. Why? Fair enough if you`re flying to LAX with 3 days on the beach and a single sector home again - but us? We fly multi -sector shifts of very short duration, taking turn about, on consecutive days, with cross monitoring and SOPs coming out our ears (hardly time to scratch your arse) - what`s the point? It comes out worst in the SIM - half the time nobody`s sure who`s flying the plane. The SIM instructors agree. I started with an open mind but I now conclude (with experience) its all bollocks. I hope Flybe agree and tell 145 management to bin it immediately.
Scratch that, instead of most I should have written 'some', as to disregarding SOP's, mmmm we are really going to fall out the sky if the FO speaks to the punters rather than the Capt! do get a life!
do get a life!
And now be TOTALLY honest with the answer to my next question...
...when you go for an interview for that next job and the inevitable question comes up "Have you ever ignored or disregarded an SOP?" what will you honestly say?
Even if you decide not to move on, when you are next having a line check will you willingly start doing 'welcome aboard PAs' or talking with ground crews... or if your Captain is on a linecheck, do you think he will let you do the same?!!!
Pray do come back and keep us all informed of the outcome!
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Ooops - posted this earlier on wrong thread.
flaps - regarding the power levers, our SOPs have had several different slants and techniques applied to them over the years on the different DHC8 types, but generally it has always been that PF advanced the levers on the roll until the autofeather arms, at which point he calls "Set Power" and PNF advances the levers to the rating detent, with both pilots covering the levers. We did vary things slightly with the 200/300 due to trust issues with the arming of the autofeather system, having to hold it on the brakes until the system armed.
With regard to other aspects of the SOPs, it was a blessing when TC departed because he came from BA and brought Monitored Approaches with him, mandatory on all sectors. It was certainly a useful tool in some weathers, but on all sectors it was crazy, and on some of our shorter sectors, GLA-BHD, BHD-IOM, JER-GCI, it was just downright messy, and switching control from one pilot to the other on the AP/FD panel was a bit confusing for some. On the day he left we reverted to sensible ops.
remoak - unfortunately our department heads didn't have the balls to say no, and you're right - a complete.....!
spaceman - don't get too excited about the Journey Log, it did used to be a very useful feedback tool, but nowadays when you get back to the crewroom it's all transferred to AIMS and is more or less a tool for gathering statistics as you mention. You can add notes in a separate section, but you'll never get any sort of response or acknowledgement. Oh, and here's another thing, you'll often feel like banging your head against a wall when you compare the handlers' submitted delay code to reality! A delay due to late boarding of the pax or any other handling delay is nearly always attributed to the crew - eating meals, late arrival at aircraft etc, and there's no point in changing it on AIMS because Flybe Ops will have already logged the handlers' delay code which is submitted before you even get airborne.
Have fun with that!
flaps - regarding the power levers, our SOPs have had several different slants and techniques applied to them over the years on the different DHC8 types, but generally it has always been that PF advanced the levers on the roll until the autofeather arms, at which point he calls "Set Power" and PNF advances the levers to the rating detent, with both pilots covering the levers. We did vary things slightly with the 200/300 due to trust issues with the arming of the autofeather system, having to hold it on the brakes until the system armed.
With regard to other aspects of the SOPs, it was a blessing when TC departed because he came from BA and brought Monitored Approaches with him, mandatory on all sectors. It was certainly a useful tool in some weathers, but on all sectors it was crazy, and on some of our shorter sectors, GLA-BHD, BHD-IOM, JER-GCI, it was just downright messy, and switching control from one pilot to the other on the AP/FD panel was a bit confusing for some. On the day he left we reverted to sensible ops.
remoak - unfortunately our department heads didn't have the balls to say no, and you're right - a complete.....!
spaceman - don't get too excited about the Journey Log, it did used to be a very useful feedback tool, but nowadays when you get back to the crewroom it's all transferred to AIMS and is more or less a tool for gathering statistics as you mention. You can add notes in a separate section, but you'll never get any sort of response or acknowledgement. Oh, and here's another thing, you'll often feel like banging your head against a wall when you compare the handlers' submitted delay code to reality! A delay due to late boarding of the pax or any other handling delay is nearly always attributed to the crew - eating meals, late arrival at aircraft etc, and there's no point in changing it on AIMS because Flybe Ops will have already logged the handlers' delay code which is submitted before you even get airborne.
Have fun with that!
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it was a blessing when TC departed because he came from BA and brought Monitored Approaches with him, mandatory on all sectors.
We always felt really sorry for the dash crews, having to put up with that nonsense.
The chap was indeed a complete (insert derogatory term of your choice here).
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If you come to the dash, welcome to the world of random landings! Wet runway dry runway, crosswind/no crosswind, small flare, long flare, it's in the lap of the gods whether you get a smooth landing or not!!!