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Gents & ladies,
Would someone please PM me regarding working with Ryanair. It all sounds so negative, but am under huge pressure from the wife and kids to leave Dubai and Ryanair is an option I need to look at.
Cheers in advance
K
Would someone please PM me regarding working with Ryanair. It all sounds so negative, but am under huge pressure from the wife and kids to leave Dubai and Ryanair is an option I need to look at.
Cheers in advance
K
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Not terrible at all Wiz; I'm not sure what your point is though?
PPrune dishes out the good, bad and often a load of bollox. If you wanted to join my company, I'd PM you with facts and advice, like i'd asked for here. With all the negativity surrounding Ryanair, I figured there must be positives. With the PM's i've received, it seems there are.
PPrune dishes out the good, bad and often a load of bollox. If you wanted to join my company, I'd PM you with facts and advice, like i'd asked for here. With all the negativity surrounding Ryanair, I figured there must be positives. With the PM's i've received, it seems there are.
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Keith, if you have received positive PM's, establish very carefully the credentials of those offering advice. For example a quick search of previous posts should provide valuable pointers. There are plenty of management stooges masquerading as "ordinary line-pilots" on this site and their advice would be less than worthless. As a rule, the more optimistic a poster about ryanair, the more likely is to be lies. This is not what you want to hear, but it is a fact.
Another thing to remember, if you are quoted salary figures from those that have gone before, remember that what was available in the past is not available to you. Remember that salaries are reduced every year across the board. Remember also that contracts will not be honoured and what you will be promised at interview will not materialise, particularly once they know you have resigned from EK and they know they have you over a barrel.
EK is full of ex-fr crew, surely a word with some of them would be in order. Or is it that you have talked to them and don't like the universally negative reaction? If you're searching desperately for someone to tell you what you want to hear, there are plenty of lackies and running dogs here who will tell you exactly that, unfortunately if you base your decisions on it, you will start to regret it just as you can't back out.
Another thing to remember, if you are quoted salary figures from those that have gone before, remember that what was available in the past is not available to you. Remember that salaries are reduced every year across the board. Remember also that contracts will not be honoured and what you will be promised at interview will not materialise, particularly once they know you have resigned from EK and they know they have you over a barrel.
EK is full of ex-fr crew, surely a word with some of them would be in order. Or is it that you have talked to them and don't like the universally negative reaction? If you're searching desperately for someone to tell you what you want to hear, there are plenty of lackies and running dogs here who will tell you exactly that, unfortunately if you base your decisions on it, you will start to regret it just as you can't back out.
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Have a search on pprune for "the guide for prospective ryanair pilots".Alternatively contact someone at the REPA!Terms and conditions here is like a 3 card trick,everyone is on different deals,constantly changing and driving downward.Get in before the recruitment ban!
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If you think that a recruitment ban will take place in Ryanair think again. The number of guys from LAT/POL/ROM/RUS/ all climbing over each other to join will mean this will never be a viable option. As far as joining the company goes, for every pilot that finds somthing to complain about there are 10 who are very happy. The nature of these internet forums tends to attract the militant few!!
If you think that a recruitment ban will take place in Ryanair think again. The number of guys from LAT/POL/ROM/RUS/ all climbing over each other to join will mean this will never be a viable option. As far as joining the company goes, for every pilot that finds somthing to complain about there are 10 who are very happy. The nature of these internet forums tends to attract the militant few!!
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Well come on in,take your chance and i will talk to you in 6 months.see if you are very happy then.when you refer to the militant few,i assume you mean me and not you!read some of your previous posts,quite enlightening.
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Hary Carin are you seriously expecting anyone to believe such blatant nonsense as "or every pilot that finds somthing to complain about there are 10 who are very happy".
What planet are you from, or what part of Ryanair do you work in?
What planet are you from, or what part of Ryanair do you work in?
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Thanks for the replies gents.
The guys i know in DXB that are ex FR hated working for them. I would too, considering their circumstances, but I need to see all sides to be fair to myself and my family. I have a friend in Europe who really loves working for FR and is so happy to leave EK; I mean ecstatic....
Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to reply. It is appreciated, positive OR negative (even though I only asked for the positive)
The guys i know in DXB that are ex FR hated working for them. I would too, considering their circumstances, but I need to see all sides to be fair to myself and my family. I have a friend in Europe who really loves working for FR and is so happy to leave EK; I mean ecstatic....
Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to reply. It is appreciated, positive OR negative (even though I only asked for the positive)
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Ryanair leave days, days off
For Ryanair pilots ( contract or permanent) :
Is it possible to take part of your annual leave days (say 1, 2 or 3 days) and book them just before or after normal rosters days off?
Example: in a 5/4/5/4 roster , exchange 2 working days with 2 days off taken from annual leave and make:
4/(1)/4/(1)/4/4 = 4/6/4/4
where (X) are the days off taken from annual leave, not normal days off.
Thank you for the help!!
Is it possible to take part of your annual leave days (say 1, 2 or 3 days) and book them just before or after normal rosters days off?
Example: in a 5/4/5/4 roster , exchange 2 working days with 2 days off taken from annual leave and make:
4/(1)/4/(1)/4/4 = 4/6/4/4
where (X) are the days off taken from annual leave, not normal days off.
Thank you for the help!!
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Quote "Open Letter to Ryanair's CEO"
Dear Bonernow
Hope you don't mind but this wonderful letter has to reach a wider audience
Saddest
Dear Michael,
I just thought I would drop you a line or two to explain a few things regarding your ongoing contractual dispute with those "jet jockeys" you happen to employ. You know the ones I mean. Those ordinary guys and girls whose professionalism and dedication to this company, that have contributed so greatly, to making you a very, very wealthy man. Ring any bells?
Well Michael, I'm fairly new to this company and it's got to be said, never have I known a work place like this. For instance, in my last job, we had contracts. You know, those bits of paper that had the conditions of our employment written down. Set in stone so to speak. So we all knew where we were at. If I bent the rules as written in the contract the company could come down on me and if the company broke the rules, I could take the company to an employment tribunal. A fair and balanced arrangement I'm sure you'll agree.
We didn't have "rough guides to" that were changed on a whim. Our salary structure was set out in our contracts. Not hidden in a drawer somewhere to be changed at the flick of a pen when someone felt like it. So too the grievance procedure and disciplinary procedure. Key elements of any modern work place.
So what's the point in writing to you Michael? Well, you see, I happened to be at one of those "Pilot pay negotiation meetings" that took place the other day. And after listening to what your able deputy's had to say, I have to confess to feeling a little moved. Hence this letter.
Let me ask you a few questions Michael. First of all, why does it have to be this way? Why would you rather go to war and risk a strike by your pilots than simply pay a fair days wage for a fair days work? Why do you feel the need to bully, intimidate and insult your workforce? Because that is what you do on a daily basis.
So in my mind I have to ask myself, is this a guy worth working for? Well, I guess you could be if there were certain checks and balances in place. You have after all built quite a formidable airline.
BUT, before I, or any of the other Pilots in this company enter into negotiations with you, there are a few imbalances that need re-dressing. The Pilots WILL NOT speak to you direct.
YOU WILL deal with an independant body, democratically elected by the Pilots, to represent the Pilots at the negotiating table. This condition is a deal breaker. Say no and the "deal is off". Sound familiar?
YOU WILL accept that all Ryanair terms and conditions of employment will be transparent and readily published for the world to see. A careers section on Ryanair.com could be set up to facilitate this. After all, a rapidly expanding airline needs to attract the correct calibre of staff. The open and transparent publication of terms of employment will assist in this regard.
YOU WILL accept that in the event discussions break down between Management and our democratically elected representatives, then a Labour Court hearing will take place and that Court's ruling in industrial issues will be accepted by both parties. For the avoidance of doubt, this can be the Labour Court in Ireland or the Court of Arbitration in the UK.
YOU WILL accept that where internal "contractual matters" arise, (you know, a Pilot is meant to have a pay increase from FO to SFO salary but doesn't get it), then an independant body, chosen by that Pilot, will be allowed to intervene on that Pilot's behalf.
For the avoidance of doubt, if a democratically elected body happens to be a trade union or Pilots Association, then so be it. YOU WILL deal with them.
I could go on and on Michael, but you're probably due on a golf course somewhere and I wouldn't want to keep you too long. I know Management read this site quite often and this will end up on your desk at some stage. But please be advised, the above are conditions you have to agree to before we even consider appointing someone to talk to you at the negotiating table.
Best Regards and have a safe, peaceful, happy life.
Bonernow
Hope you don't mind but this wonderful letter has to reach a wider audience
Saddest
Dear Michael,
I just thought I would drop you a line or two to explain a few things regarding your ongoing contractual dispute with those "jet jockeys" you happen to employ. You know the ones I mean. Those ordinary guys and girls whose professionalism and dedication to this company, that have contributed so greatly, to making you a very, very wealthy man. Ring any bells?
Well Michael, I'm fairly new to this company and it's got to be said, never have I known a work place like this. For instance, in my last job, we had contracts. You know, those bits of paper that had the conditions of our employment written down. Set in stone so to speak. So we all knew where we were at. If I bent the rules as written in the contract the company could come down on me and if the company broke the rules, I could take the company to an employment tribunal. A fair and balanced arrangement I'm sure you'll agree.
We didn't have "rough guides to" that were changed on a whim. Our salary structure was set out in our contracts. Not hidden in a drawer somewhere to be changed at the flick of a pen when someone felt like it. So too the grievance procedure and disciplinary procedure. Key elements of any modern work place.
So what's the point in writing to you Michael? Well, you see, I happened to be at one of those "Pilot pay negotiation meetings" that took place the other day. And after listening to what your able deputy's had to say, I have to confess to feeling a little moved. Hence this letter.
Let me ask you a few questions Michael. First of all, why does it have to be this way? Why would you rather go to war and risk a strike by your pilots than simply pay a fair days wage for a fair days work? Why do you feel the need to bully, intimidate and insult your workforce? Because that is what you do on a daily basis.
So in my mind I have to ask myself, is this a guy worth working for? Well, I guess you could be if there were certain checks and balances in place. You have after all built quite a formidable airline.
BUT, before I, or any of the other Pilots in this company enter into negotiations with you, there are a few imbalances that need re-dressing. The Pilots WILL NOT speak to you direct.
YOU WILL deal with an independant body, democratically elected by the Pilots, to represent the Pilots at the negotiating table. This condition is a deal breaker. Say no and the "deal is off". Sound familiar?
YOU WILL accept that all Ryanair terms and conditions of employment will be transparent and readily published for the world to see. A careers section on Ryanair.com could be set up to facilitate this. After all, a rapidly expanding airline needs to attract the correct calibre of staff. The open and transparent publication of terms of employment will assist in this regard.
YOU WILL accept that in the event discussions break down between Management and our democratically elected representatives, then a Labour Court hearing will take place and that Court's ruling in industrial issues will be accepted by both parties. For the avoidance of doubt, this can be the Labour Court in Ireland or the Court of Arbitration in the UK.
YOU WILL accept that where internal "contractual matters" arise, (you know, a Pilot is meant to have a pay increase from FO to SFO salary but doesn't get it), then an independant body, chosen by that Pilot, will be allowed to intervene on that Pilot's behalf.
For the avoidance of doubt, if a democratically elected body happens to be a trade union or Pilots Association, then so be it. YOU WILL deal with them.
I could go on and on Michael, but you're probably due on a golf course somewhere and I wouldn't want to keep you too long. I know Management read this site quite often and this will end up on your desk at some stage. But please be advised, the above are conditions you have to agree to before we even consider appointing someone to talk to you at the negotiating table.
Best Regards and have a safe, peaceful, happy life.
Bonernow
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Leave poor Mick alone, he is having a bad weekend already, has withdrawn
his horse 'War of Attrition' from the upcoming Cheltenham gold cup, and wont be able to defend his title!!
Suppose it will give him some more time to concentrate to consider some of the above issues!
his horse 'War of Attrition' from the upcoming Cheltenham gold cup, and wont be able to defend his title!!
Suppose it will give him some more time to concentrate to consider some of the above issues!
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If he sees this he must be back from his party. Nice one but still short of the expected number of aircraft at LPL. What a load of B******
come on Mick get a grip you said 15 by now..
come on Mick get a grip you said 15 by now..
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There are many in the wannabe world who are fully supportive of you and cant not even be bothered to apply to your company.
I know of one guy who joined your lot, paid for his own type rating, accommodation etc etc and took home £600 in his first month whilst line training.
Sorry, but even if I was not about to start the job I have landed, I still would never of applied to your company whilst its in its present form.
I know loads of wannabes who will not apply to your company.
The job market is beginning to boom and your company will suffer.
There are many in the wannabe world who are fully supportive of you and cant not even be bothered to apply to your company.
I know of one guy who joined your lot, paid for his own type rating, accommodation etc etc and took home £600 in his first month whilst line training.
Sorry, but even if I was not about to start the job I have landed, I still would never of applied to your company whilst its in its present form.
I know loads of wannabes who will not apply to your company.
The job market is beginning to boom and your company will suffer.
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Those that are posting follow ups should note that the 'letter' was not written by saddest aviator but by 'Bonernow'.
Why the 'inverted commas'? This looks like an apocryphal letter that was never sent. Possibly it was but, like others of it's type, that is not the important thing. Does it resonate with those who do actually work in the company?
To s.a. and Bone, sorry if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Why the 'inverted commas'? This looks like an apocryphal letter that was never sent. Possibly it was but, like others of it's type, that is not the important thing. Does it resonate with those who do actually work in the company?
To s.a. and Bone, sorry if I have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
In a free market, there is a very obvious and clear way of making your views of MOL known, but for every critic he has, there is a supporter who has enjoyed his particular product brand. Staff loyalty is essential to continued success in business, but the Red Robbo days of BL and BR laying down the law will not work in a PLC that exists for profit, not as a public service. As bearcat says, it's all been said before, you won't change MOL, so if you don't like it you need to go and work for someone who has a different view of their staff - or at least professes to in public.