EZY Spain- contract & CAP371 rostering
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From: sandpit
EZY Spain- contract & CAP371 rostering
Hi everyone, heard that EZY are setting up MAD as a seperate company. T&C's will seperate and rostering according to CAP371.Does anyone have any idea what these terms are?Have any variations in rostering been mentioned?Seems that they want this to be different to the rest.
Decisions, decisions.....
Decisions, decisions.....
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first 6 months - existing easyjet airline contract.
after 6 months - new spanish contract with different terms and conditions..... on offer letter "pilots would be rostered in line with CAP371."
Looks like BALPA is active on this one and more discussions with the company will possibly occur....I suggest you ring BALPA on this one to see the latest state of play.
after 6 months - new spanish contract with different terms and conditions..... on offer letter "pilots would be rostered in line with CAP371."
Looks like BALPA is active on this one and more discussions with the company will possibly occur....I suggest you ring BALPA on this one to see the latest state of play.
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Then why did they write "Regrettably easyJet did not consult the CC before sending out these transfer offer letters. We are therefore seeking an urgent meeting with the Company to discuss a number of serious concerns including..." in their last email? I suggest anyone should JOIN BALPA instead of ringing them for info!
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Unless they are already a member Doug!
Yes, further discussions will certainly occur, as the company has breached the recognition agreement by communicating something like this without discussing it first with the CC... Could even result in a collective grievance.
I dont think the company seriously think they will get away with anything but the current rostering agreement, for all bases, otherwise they will be left negotiatiing another agreement... a scope clause! Too messy!
Yes, further discussions will certainly occur, as the company has breached the recognition agreement by communicating something like this without discussing it first with the CC... Could even result in a collective grievance.
I dont think the company seriously think they will get away with anything but the current rostering agreement, for all bases, otherwise they will be left negotiatiing another agreement... a scope clause! Too messy!
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Well true, but if they already are members then they should know that BALPA has been completely left out of the whole discussion of setting up EZY Spain and subsequent Spanish employment contracts.
When reading though the various EZY threads here on PPRuNe, I canīt help but think that a lot of those 400+ pilots we are going to need over the next 12 months are not really aware of what theyīre getting into and have a blind spot for the degradation in employment conditions.
They just see a shiny Airbus, a base in Spain, think that they are joining a real career airline (īwhere BALPA is on the caseī) flying 900 hours/year and daydream about one day crossing the Atlantic in an orange A330.
When reading though the various EZY threads here on PPRuNe, I canīt help but think that a lot of those 400+ pilots we are going to need over the next 12 months are not really aware of what theyīre getting into and have a blind spot for the degradation in employment conditions.
They just see a shiny Airbus, a base in Spain, think that they are joining a real career airline (īwhere BALPA is on the caseī) flying 900 hours/year and daydream about one day crossing the Atlantic in an orange A330.
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There are more than 4000 spanish pilots looking for a job !! so easyJet won't have any problem to find people, even with a spanish contract 
Bear in mind that Vueling and Clickair are expending like crazy (lots of new airbus in 2007) and hence it will not be that "easy" for an english company to be set up in Spain if they do not use the same spanish terms and conditions.
You want MAD, you sign this bloody spanish contract; you do not accept this spanish contract, then just stay at Luton or Stansted
Bear in mind that Vueling and Clickair are expending like crazy (lots of new airbus in 2007) and hence it will not be that "easy" for an english company to be set up in Spain if they do not use the same spanish terms and conditions.
You want MAD, you sign this bloody spanish contract; you do not accept this spanish contract, then just stay at Luton or Stansted
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Just bend over and get the same īfantasticī conditions like Vueling (FO 2500/month gross pay
) in MAD instead of fighting to get the same Luton/Stansted conditions...
There are more than 4000 spanish pilots looking for a job !! so easyJet won't have any problem to find people, even with a spanish contract
(By the way, 4000 pilots sounds like a lot but how many are 200 hour cadets, how many are type rated on the Airbus, how many speak reasonable enough English, how many will pass the selection...?
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And before you know the MAD guys fly MAD-STN-BFS-STN-MAD, one plane less in STN and you have the choice, redundant or transfer to MAD on ... a spanish contract!
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But will BALPA be able to stop this Spanish contract from happening?
it will not be that "easy" for an english company to be set up in Spain if they do not use the same spanish terms and conditions.
These crews should be on exactly the same terms as UK crews as it is a UK company on a UK AOC. If there's a Spanish AOC inbound then maybe..................just maybe.........it'll be diffierent.
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From: hotel
How much guys were you short last summer? A hundred? Strange that, as far as I know easy, not a single of those 4000 came to easy, although the MAD base was already a public secret at that time...
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From: On the flight deck of course !!
There are now lots of Air Madrid pilots with a great experience on A330s, and all looking for a job on a kind of A319, based at Barrajas 
Anyway, I am sure that lots of easyPilots just don't care about the spanish contract and the possible different roster. What they want is going back home to Spain, at Madrid !
Anyway, I am sure that lots of easyPilots just don't care about the spanish contract and the possible different roster. What they want is going back home to Spain, at Madrid !
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Nobody (except managment) wants the MAD based colleagues to be second class when compared to EZY pilots on a UK contract, so EZY pilots do care about the MAD contract.
Air Madrid pilots would be absolutely crazy if they would accept a Spanish contract and fly the same orange airplanes with different terms and conditions than EZY pilots with a UK contract.
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before that happens, I believe a lot of water is running down the Rhine river! Management however, will like words like yours spread around?!
-We do not have a tremendous number of spanish pilots
-what I heared, not every spanish pilot would go to MAD with the new contract!
The problem arising will be, guys accepting the "spanish contract" and than calling for BALPA to solve their own induced problems! I keep the bet!
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From: sandpit
CAP 371 rostering
Does anyone know any LCC that rosters using CAP371? Fatigue issues have arisen using the fixed days off, imagine what the implications of 371 will be, Let alone the lifestyle issues!1 day off in 6, 2 consecutive days off in 14, i think not!
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Flaps One:
"These crews should be on exactly the same terms as UK crews as it is a UK company on a UK AOC."
In all this discussion there is a spanner in the works; RYR. They too will have a MAD base. It will be interesting to see what T's & C's they come up with.
Regarding the above from Flaps One; RYR has many non-UK bases, and indeed some UK bases and they are all under the same AOC, flying EI a/c, but each on different contracts; well pay anyway. However, when it came to the crunch of labour law I believe a Belgium judge decided Be. law took precedance over Irish. RYR & ej seem to have abandoned the old unspken rule of 'leave each other alone'. LTN, STN, LPL, MAD, (bases) and many other destinations overlap and compete head to head. No doubt, like Dixons & Comet, they are eyeing each other everyday to keep equal or a no more than a whisker in front. I wonder who is the chicken & who is the egg in this game?
"These crews should be on exactly the same terms as UK crews as it is a UK company on a UK AOC."
In all this discussion there is a spanner in the works; RYR. They too will have a MAD base. It will be interesting to see what T's & C's they come up with.
Regarding the above from Flaps One; RYR has many non-UK bases, and indeed some UK bases and they are all under the same AOC, flying EI a/c, but each on different contracts; well pay anyway. However, when it came to the crunch of labour law I believe a Belgium judge decided Be. law took precedance over Irish. RYR & ej seem to have abandoned the old unspken rule of 'leave each other alone'. LTN, STN, LPL, MAD, (bases) and many other destinations overlap and compete head to head. No doubt, like Dixons & Comet, they are eyeing each other everyday to keep equal or a no more than a whisker in front. I wonder who is the chicken & who is the egg in this game?
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There's a few issues in here.
EZY's new bases will predominantly be European from now on making the possibility of Sarah's W pattern's realistic if the management get their way. Divide and conquer may be on the agenda. It's no secret that the Rostering Dept would still love random rostering which is what they'll get in all new bases if we allow this to get through.
What is needed is for European based pilots to smell the coffee and all get into BALPA NOW! Despite the good tunes that come from Andy Harrison's office it is his junior managers that do the damage as we've all seen before.
EZY's new bases will predominantly be European from now on making the possibility of Sarah's W pattern's realistic if the management get their way. Divide and conquer may be on the agenda. It's no secret that the Rostering Dept would still love random rostering which is what they'll get in all new bases if we allow this to get through.
What is needed is for European based pilots to smell the coffee and all get into BALPA NOW! Despite the good tunes that come from Andy Harrison's office it is his junior managers that do the damage as we've all seen before.
