Age 65 - New ICAO provision... MERGED THREADS
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: A grass castle in Victoria.
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Age 65 - New ICAO provision... MERGED THREADS
While reseaching the above topic I came across this snippet :-
"INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC TRANSPORT OPERATIONS - PILOTS AGED 60
AND OVER
Within the JAA, all but six Member States have given 'blanket' authorisation for UK licensed pilots to continue public transport operations in their airspace up to age 65 either as Pilot-in-Command (PIC) or
co-pilot."
There was no date attached and I was wondering what the state of play is on this subject worldwide. It seems there are a number of differing rules in various states. ICAO are ratifying a new rule along the lines of the above snippet around Nov this year.
Will the EU ever align all states on this issue?
"INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC TRANSPORT OPERATIONS - PILOTS AGED 60
AND OVER
Within the JAA, all but six Member States have given 'blanket' authorisation for UK licensed pilots to continue public transport operations in their airspace up to age 65 either as Pilot-in-Command (PIC) or
co-pilot."
There was no date attached and I was wondering what the state of play is on this subject worldwide. It seems there are a number of differing rules in various states. ICAO are ratifying a new rule along the lines of the above snippet around Nov this year.
Will the EU ever align all states on this issue?
Transparency International
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: West Wales
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
James.
I'n reply to your last sentence, the EU will never align member states on any significant issue so long as certain major countries refuse to accept directives that go against their national interest. Until that changes, and don't hold your breath, "European Union" remains the world's biggest oxymoron.
"A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist."
I'n reply to your last sentence, the EU will never align member states on any significant issue so long as certain major countries refuse to accept directives that go against their national interest. Until that changes, and don't hold your breath, "European Union" remains the world's biggest oxymoron.
"A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist."
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: France
Age: 73
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pirate
James.
the EU will never align member states on any significant issue so long as certain major countries refuse to accept directives that go against their national interest.
the EU will never align member states on any significant issue so long as certain major countries refuse to accept directives that go against their national interest.
The problem at the moment is that flying above age 60 for a captain is contrary to ICAO directive, it is an exception to that rule which allow UK pilots to fly over certain EU countries... and you cannot force any country to accept your exceptions.
Be patient, within 6 month the new ICAO regulation will be adopted and you will be able to overfly France and the other 5 EU countries.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: sussex
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think you'll find that legeslation has yet to be finalised. I think there's one more part of the document to be printed. Large companies might well find that there is a get out clause in the EU law if they can justify it being detremental to there buiseness, which I am sure the majority will try to use.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Rio
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jeeesus...At what age have this guys started flying???42?50?I've been flying since my teens and I'm 49 now...Can't wait to retire..spending Christmas eve in a plane over the goddamned atlantic?New Years eve on a standby at the Airport,while the family is celebrating?Why?have this guys no family?Aren't they loved by theirs?Oh...doing the airlines a favor?Give me a brake!!! Let's give the younger a chance to fly the big birds...Let's go on training them on sims an G.S.'s...Flying past the 60 birthday...God forbid...
Dog Tired
ok, you can have my job.
five Barbados and one Miami in the last seven weeks. I won't mention the sims and the 320 trips in the meantime.
next week is (guess what?) Barbados and then POP.
Let's see, that makes eight Caribbean/USAs in nine weeks.
deep joy.
See what Johnbr says.
I hope he keeps his promise to himself.
five Barbados and one Miami in the last seven weeks. I won't mention the sims and the 320 trips in the meantime.
next week is (guess what?) Barbados and then POP.
Let's see, that makes eight Caribbean/USAs in nine weeks.
deep joy.
See what Johnbr says.
I hope he keeps his promise to himself.
Guys, don't forget that in all this no-one is FORCING you to work past 60, or even past 50 if you can get out, but some people, due to failing Companies, lost pensions, failed marriages, other financial problems, may have little or no choice.
And that is why the age should be raised to fit in with everyone else's retirement, as our Chancellor has done more in the last 8 years to destroy the pension industry, than all the recessions of the last 30 years.
My pension will only just be enough, and that is after devoting 20 years to Queen and country, and 20 years to management whom at the moment don't deserve our services!!!
And that is why the age should be raised to fit in with everyone else's retirement, as our Chancellor has done more in the last 8 years to destroy the pension industry, than all the recessions of the last 30 years.
My pension will only just be enough, and that is after devoting 20 years to Queen and country, and 20 years to management whom at the moment don't deserve our services!!!
Left Seat 747
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Malaysia
Age: 80
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Walking frames?
Sunfish, I wonder if you would like to work out with me sometime? I am 62, lift weights then ride a bicycle 7 miles everyday I am home - at an average speed of 15 MPH. I wonder if you could keep up?
I currently am left seat in the 747-200 and the younger guys like to fly with me because I show them lots of good stuff about the airplane and international flying I have learned over the years. I am still learning and a lot of it from guys in the right seat - they show me things they have learned while flying with other guys. I have great respect for the younger guys who appreciate what a great opportunity they have to be in the right seat of that big airplane. After all, I was there once.
Every once in a while I run into a brash, immature young stallion who bitterly explains to everyone in the cockpit that he should be in the left seat because he has 2000 hours and has been an FO for a year or two. I can think of a good place to put my "walking frames" when dealing with a person like that.
I currently am left seat in the 747-200 and the younger guys like to fly with me because I show them lots of good stuff about the airplane and international flying I have learned over the years. I am still learning and a lot of it from guys in the right seat - they show me things they have learned while flying with other guys. I have great respect for the younger guys who appreciate what a great opportunity they have to be in the right seat of that big airplane. After all, I was there once.
Every once in a while I run into a brash, immature young stallion who bitterly explains to everyone in the cockpit that he should be in the left seat because he has 2000 hours and has been an FO for a year or two. I can think of a good place to put my "walking frames" when dealing with a person like that.
Last edited by Flying Guy; 1st Mar 2006 at 21:12.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Downunder
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flying Guy,
Having read several of your posts it might be time for some psychometric tests. You're obsessed with LEFT SEAT 747. So you're a 747 capt., big deal, so am I and heaps of others, but I don't advertise nor does anyone else I've seen on this site, and who cares anyway.
Your "I teach the young guys how to do it" posts are condescending to say the least and a bit of modesty wouldn't go astray.
Having read several of your posts it might be time for some psychometric tests. You're obsessed with LEFT SEAT 747. So you're a 747 capt., big deal, so am I and heaps of others, but I don't advertise nor does anyone else I've seen on this site, and who cares anyway.
Your "I teach the young guys how to do it" posts are condescending to say the least and a bit of modesty wouldn't go astray.
Left Seat 747
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Malaysia
Age: 80
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dear Skol, sorry to offend you. To me it IS a big deal. I worked hard to get here and am proud of it. Sorry if my joy sounds like bragging but I am, in turn, put off by guys who think this is just another job. I have even read some guys referring to himself and other pilots as "trained monkeys." Sheesh, what a jaded attitude for a professional pilot.
For me, it is really special to fly airplanes for a living and I encourage any young (or old) person who yearns for the romance of flying, to join our ranks. It is still romantic if you embrace it that way. If it is just a job, become a Lawyer.
So, once again, sorry to put you off but that is how I feel.
For me, it is really special to fly airplanes for a living and I encourage any young (or old) person who yearns for the romance of flying, to join our ranks. It is still romantic if you embrace it that way. If it is just a job, become a Lawyer.
So, once again, sorry to put you off but that is how I feel.
Left Seat 747
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Malaysia
Age: 80
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ATPL Pilots Over 60 Years Old
Yep, fly for Air Atlanta (or did until I got laid off two weeks ago.) Go to this web site to meet me. Click on video, lower left.
Advertising removed - Scroggs
But, more on topic. Does any one have a flavor how the age 60 rule looks in the US? When does it come up for congressional vote again?
Advertising removed - Scroggs
But, more on topic. Does any one have a flavor how the age 60 rule looks in the US? When does it come up for congressional vote again?
Last edited by scroggs; 28th Feb 2006 at 08:16.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Too far from the equator
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
over 60 ?
This whole 'argument' is a bit fatuous. It is a shame if some have to fly after 60 because of company/marriage/pension failures when they would rather be fishing.But at least they can now.
Some guys I know got to 55 , big pension , 25 years of longhaul , and could not wait to walk out of the flight-deck forever. Some have tried retirement ,failed , and have returned to flying voluntarily. They may , or may not , need the money but more often than not they miss the 'craic' and the only job they know how to do. These days you can be along time retired , why rush it ? There are plenty of part-time , jobshare etc , which is what I propose to do to top-up my useless pension with while I can. I still enjoy flying ( the airborne bit that is ! ) but want to have half the year off.
Remember the old one ? I want to come back in my next life as a seagull - a bit of flying , a bit of fishing , a bit of *******!!
Some guys I know got to 55 , big pension , 25 years of longhaul , and could not wait to walk out of the flight-deck forever. Some have tried retirement ,failed , and have returned to flying voluntarily. They may , or may not , need the money but more often than not they miss the 'craic' and the only job they know how to do. These days you can be along time retired , why rush it ? There are plenty of part-time , jobshare etc , which is what I propose to do to top-up my useless pension with while I can. I still enjoy flying ( the airborne bit that is ! ) but want to have half the year off.
Remember the old one ? I want to come back in my next life as a seagull - a bit of flying , a bit of fishing , a bit of *******!!
I Have Control
Join Date: May 2004
Location: North-West England
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why not fly over 60?
Many of us started our trade/profession in our late 30's, and still love the job, well most of the time anyhow.
And having sacrificed a full-pension based on one career, and also shelled out substantial dosh to re-train, we also need time to recoup our losses.
Working to the standard national retirement age enjoyed by the general population seems reasonable, subject to health, performance, etc.
Let's just get the non-Euro French lobby into line. They really are the most selfish of people at times!
And having sacrificed a full-pension based on one career, and also shelled out substantial dosh to re-train, we also need time to recoup our losses.
Working to the standard national retirement age enjoyed by the general population seems reasonable, subject to health, performance, etc.
Let's just get the non-Euro French lobby into line. They really are the most selfish of people at times!
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Rio
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Guys,sorry if it "sounded"prejudiced or offensive,for I value experience as much as anybody else...Guess I was luckier coz I started in my early 20's and by 33 I was a 737 capt,flown all over as contract pilot(europe,asia,SA)Steady job right now ,at49 as A330 capt,and did not say I don't like the job...I do (at least after the doors are closed)...What I meant was,after 60 I wanna do things like sailing my little boat in short cruises,whithout the worry of having to get somewhere at a given time because I have to work,or not being able to keep a promisse to the family for being stranded in some God forsaken place due to ATC strike.I hope I won't be flying over 60 ,but yes,I would be very happy to be teaching in a sim the new guy's "how to do it" as long as my sailing schedule or "riding my bike"schedule don't get disturbed.
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: France
Age: 73
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by RoyHudd
Let's just get the non-Euro French lobby into line. They really are the most selfish of people at times!
such a remark from a EURO-brit