Korean Airlines hiring
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From: bristol
737ng FOs
Hi all,
Are there any 737ng FOs out at KAL who can answer the following:
Typical hours / take home pay.
Whats it like flying with local captains / dealing with operations etc.
Roster type - do they do 13 hour days like I do at my low cost airline.
Any stop overs?
Type of room the put you in at the hyatt.
Cost of a typical meal in the hotel.
Do you get meals onboard etc.
Regards
Are there any 737ng FOs out at KAL who can answer the following:
Typical hours / take home pay.
Whats it like flying with local captains / dealing with operations etc.
Roster type - do they do 13 hour days like I do at my low cost airline.
Any stop overs?
Type of room the put you in at the hyatt.
Cost of a typical meal in the hotel.
Do you get meals onboard etc.
Regards
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: England
Some questions for 747 crews:
1. What are the 747-400 trip-patterns like?
2. How long a layover do you get in destinations like London, Frankfurt, New York and LAX?
3. Is there any form of trip bidding system?
4. How far in advance do you receive your roster?
5. Can trips be swapped?
Many thanks in advance.
1. What are the 747-400 trip-patterns like?
2. How long a layover do you get in destinations like London, Frankfurt, New York and LAX?
3. Is there any form of trip bidding system?
4. How far in advance do you receive your roster?
5. Can trips be swapped?
Many thanks in advance.
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: FUBAR
Info is available on CCL - Korean Air Recruitment Details
It says, 2000hr PIC in airline operations
Operated type as PIC within last 2 years.
It therefore suggests that you must have PIC experience on type but doesn't actually spell out how much.
Easiest solution is to email them, I have found them very helpful.
It says, 2000hr PIC in airline operations
Operated type as PIC within last 2 years.
It therefore suggests that you must have PIC experience on type but doesn't actually spell out how much.
Easiest solution is to email them, I have found them very helpful.
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From: FUBAR
Click on the link on my post above, it works for me
If not, it is CCL - Korean Air Recruitment Details
If not, it is CCL - Korean Air Recruitment Details
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From: UK
Just to add my little input - a friend of ours is now working for Korean on the 777 and said the training was excruciating. He said that he was marked down for not having the WX radar bright enough. He may be exaggerating, but I could tell that he found it pretty tough. I'd expect the medical to be JUST as stringent (I know our friend had his fingers burnt due to high cholesterol - but unfortunately I have no precise details on the medical itself). I'm joining the industry at the moment and considered following him, but quickly decided that I couldn't stand the training and the months away from sunny Blighty!
Having said that, someone asked earlier on in the thread if the safety has improved at KAL, and I would say that it is now, from what our friend's been saying, totally paramount and up there with the big European operators. And both the 777 and the 330 are pretty good machines to operate - particularly coming off the 757!
It also strikes me as a very exciting job - so many months in Korea and then back home for a little break. Thorough training, fabulous aircraft, interesting base and super destinations. And for a CAPT like he is, pretty good pay. If i wasn't so far away, I'd probably go for it myself.
All the best to potential KAL candidates
Having said that, someone asked earlier on in the thread if the safety has improved at KAL, and I would say that it is now, from what our friend's been saying, totally paramount and up there with the big European operators. And both the 777 and the 330 are pretty good machines to operate - particularly coming off the 757!
It also strikes me as a very exciting job - so many months in Korea and then back home for a little break. Thorough training, fabulous aircraft, interesting base and super destinations. And for a CAPT like he is, pretty good pay. If i wasn't so far away, I'd probably go for it myself.
All the best to potential KAL candidates
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From: Europe
Many thanks to all the thread contributors, very interesting reading!
I would like some advice from all you guys with a few more grey hairs than myself.
I am currently 24 years old with ~1700 hrs logged, of which ~1350 73NG. I believe you can all guess which European LoCo company i am working for right now, given my high ratio of NG time...
I've applied via one of the contracting agencies, and am hoping for an interview in Sept for the B737NG F/O position. Heres the million dollar question: would KAL be a wise move? My current company could provide an opportunity for command at about 3000 hrs total, but I am trying to get out asap, dure to tax implications and "management-by-fear" culture. Plus, as you all know, there are no benefits whatsoever (own food, only hot water provided for coffee, pay for uniform, sim, hotels, license, medical etc.etc.)
I am simply looking to get into a proper organisation, to see more of the world and learn a different way of operating the machinery. Of course the rumours(?) about no upgrade to command within the 5 years or type swapping sounds like really bad news, the plus side is my country has a tax agreement with Korea meaning I keep all my money. Right now I am more or less a tax fugitive.
I've got some additional questions to those already answered in this great thread:
1) Crew meals when on duty? On layovers? If yes - quality?
2) Home travel for off days - economy or business for F/Os?
3) I've also heard you can get booked for home travel on the cargo fleet for destinations not covered by pax network - true?
4) Hows life when on layovers, off days in ICN? Any interaction with cabin crew, rumour has it this is culturally impossible?
5) Spare time activities? Golf, beach etc?
6) What do you believe is higher regarded by other major airlines; a lot of F/O time in different companys and parts of the world, or Command at minimum time with one LoCo operator in Europe? Whats the best career strategy?
7) The thread has been quiet for a while, can any expat B737 F/O advice what the flight deck athmosphere is like? Flying only with local cpts?
Thanks in advance to all contributors!
I would like some advice from all you guys with a few more grey hairs than myself.
I am currently 24 years old with ~1700 hrs logged, of which ~1350 73NG. I believe you can all guess which European LoCo company i am working for right now, given my high ratio of NG time...
I've applied via one of the contracting agencies, and am hoping for an interview in Sept for the B737NG F/O position. Heres the million dollar question: would KAL be a wise move? My current company could provide an opportunity for command at about 3000 hrs total, but I am trying to get out asap, dure to tax implications and "management-by-fear" culture. Plus, as you all know, there are no benefits whatsoever (own food, only hot water provided for coffee, pay for uniform, sim, hotels, license, medical etc.etc.)
I am simply looking to get into a proper organisation, to see more of the world and learn a different way of operating the machinery. Of course the rumours(?) about no upgrade to command within the 5 years or type swapping sounds like really bad news, the plus side is my country has a tax agreement with Korea meaning I keep all my money. Right now I am more or less a tax fugitive.
I've got some additional questions to those already answered in this great thread:
1) Crew meals when on duty? On layovers? If yes - quality?
2) Home travel for off days - economy or business for F/Os?
3) I've also heard you can get booked for home travel on the cargo fleet for destinations not covered by pax network - true?
4) Hows life when on layovers, off days in ICN? Any interaction with cabin crew, rumour has it this is culturally impossible?
5) Spare time activities? Golf, beach etc?
6) What do you believe is higher regarded by other major airlines; a lot of F/O time in different companys and parts of the world, or Command at minimum time with one LoCo operator in Europe? Whats the best career strategy?
7) The thread has been quiet for a while, can any expat B737 F/O advice what the flight deck athmosphere is like? Flying only with local cpts?
Thanks in advance to all contributors!
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From: Dubai
Hi cumulustratus,
My simple advice: bite the bullet and stay where you are. Get your command and move as a captain when you can. You could get yourself trapped as FO for a long time if you moved now, or not, but there will be a lot more uncertainty.
My simple advice: bite the bullet and stay where you are. Get your command and move as a captain when you can. You could get yourself trapped as FO for a long time if you moved now, or not, but there will be a lot more uncertainty.
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From: In a far better place
KAL is a Good operation to work for. However, regardless of the propaganda, F/Os will never upgrade, unless by an act of god. Stay where you are, get your command, accumulate at least 1,000 hours of PIC, and then go to KAL as a DEC. You will be much better off.
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From: Up in the sky...
UK ex-pats tax
Hi,
Are there any UK pilots working for Korean on the 744 that can answer?
Q1. Could you briefly explain the double taxation legalities coming home to the UK on your days off?
Q2. Whats percentage of your US$ dollars are paid in UK tax each month? / Take home pay?(744)
Thanks Chaps.
Are there any UK pilots working for Korean on the 744 that can answer?
Q1. Could you briefly explain the double taxation legalities coming home to the UK on your days off?
Q2. Whats percentage of your US$ dollars are paid in UK tax each month? / Take home pay?(744)
Thanks Chaps.
Last edited by WidebodyWillie; 21st July 2009 at 20:46.
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From: Europe
Another question I have is how are Western pilots treated by their Korean counterparts whilst on a trip or during a flight? Is there much conversation or is it quiet and "awkward"? Do the Western pilots get shunned and shut out of any crew interaction or are accepted as part of the group on a trip? I realise there are big cultural differences and that showing respect for the Korean pilots is very important, etc. I also realise that certain pilots will be different from others (some more interactive than others).
What can a Westerner "typically" expect? Can anyone provide insight? Are you pretty much on your own during layovers and during long cruises at altitude?
What can a Westerner "typically" expect? Can anyone provide insight? Are you pretty much on your own during layovers and during long cruises at altitude?
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From: USA
Sorry.
It is not possible to get a home base Inchon. Look to Asiana if you like that deal. They provide company Apartment.
Second, do you REALLY want to live here? I think you would reconsider if you were here.
Second, do you REALLY want to live here? I think you would reconsider if you were here.
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From: Africa
... good thread
... since this is a good thread I would like to keep it alive!
So since it seams lots of pilots are heading there, anybody has any latest news on the KAL REAL minimum requirements for DEC NTR 777, because the minimum requirements posted in all the agencies web-sites are really low!
So since it seams lots of pilots are heading there, anybody has any latest news on the KAL REAL minimum requirements for DEC NTR 777, because the minimum requirements posted in all the agencies web-sites are really low!