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Only one thing wrong with this thread.
The usual game of "Spot the Management Poster" is a smidgin too easy to be even slightly entertaining.
Low post tally, and/or joined Aug 2006, dead give away. Probably means "This post is hardly worth reading".
"You pilots think you're better than us".......Yep, that's crude enough to be typical management stirring. Divert attention from the real issue. Create bad feeling amongst the rank and file. Get em at each others throats.
"You'll bring the company down". Err, no. Your management will bring the company down. In fact, they've been doing their best to bring it down with incompetence and daft policies for ages, according to reports here and elsewhere.
Don't take the bait, people. Concentrate on the issue.
The usual game of "Spot the Management Poster" is a smidgin too easy to be even slightly entertaining.
Low post tally, and/or joined Aug 2006, dead give away. Probably means "This post is hardly worth reading".
"You pilots think you're better than us".......Yep, that's crude enough to be typical management stirring. Divert attention from the real issue. Create bad feeling amongst the rank and file. Get em at each others throats.
"You'll bring the company down". Err, no. Your management will bring the company down. In fact, they've been doing their best to bring it down with incompetence and daft policies for ages, according to reports here and elsewhere.
Don't take the bait, people. Concentrate on the issue.
You think you'd smell the coffee, its your third cup!!!
By the way- i joined Aug 2006 because i was interested in the way my job and that of my colleagues is going to be
by other peoples actions not because i'm management with another motive!
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You are wrong. All cc I fly with are absolutely behind us all the way all day, every day.
They are being treated much worse than us. You are a lone figure in your cabin, my friend.
Not many of your colleagues have posted here, therefore you are alone!
You are wrong. All cc I fly with are absolutely behind us all the way all day, every day.
They are being treated much worse than us. You are a lone figure in your cabin, my friend.
Not many of your colleagues have posted here, therefore you are alone!
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I started my business because i couldn't afford to be solely crew - yes i enjoy the job i wont argue with that, but why would i do a "hobby" when obviously some of my "colleagues" think we are lower than low - yes i am in a fortunate position where i dont need my job but that is because i had the b s to something about it, flight deck didn't give a sh e about me when i couldn't afford to pay my bills.... like i was told by some flightdeck " well you knew the conditions and the wages when you joined" SO DID YOU! think about itPS - when you lot decide to go on strike did you realise when we turn up for a duty we've been informed we dont get paid either!
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Congratulations Brighton Rocks, you've just become the first person in 8 years I've added to my ignore list for spouting worthless drivel and hijacking a post which has many important issues to be discussed that you clearly have no appreciation of. You obviously haven't been in the company long enough to understand what they are like. As someone said, you do not speak for the majority of your cabin crew colleagues who are just as fed up as being treated badly as everyone else.
I won't contribute any more as I've now left for pastures new along with a lot of other people who were fortunate to be in a position in their careers to be able to leave. Sad, as great people to work with day to day, and for the management to be able to take such a fantastic 'resource' and turn it against them takes some doing.
I won't contribute any more as I've now left for pastures new along with a lot of other people who were fortunate to be in a position in their careers to be able to leave. Sad, as great people to work with day to day, and for the management to be able to take such a fantastic 'resource' and turn it against them takes some doing.
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brighton rocks
Look, you've made your point!
No one is moved, no one cares at all.
So what are you going to do now?
Surely you're going to pack it in, aren't you?
But, let me guess, you're going to continue with all this rubbish about pilots not caring for anyone else?
BORING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Look, you've made your point!
No one is moved, no one cares at all.
So what are you going to do now?
Surely you're going to pack it in, aren't you?
But, let me guess, you're going to continue with all this rubbish about pilots not caring for anyone else?
BORING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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brighton rocks
Look, you've made your point!
No one is moved, no one cares at all.
So what are you going to do now?
Surely you're going to pack it in, aren't you?
But, let me guess, you're going to continue with all this rubbish about pilots not caring for anyone else?
BORING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Look, you've made your point!
No one is moved, no one cares at all.
So what are you going to do now?
Surely you're going to pack it in, aren't you?
But, let me guess, you're going to continue with all this rubbish about pilots not caring for anyone else?
BORING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
No i'm not going to pack it in, but i also cant be bothered to continue debating such a non starter, so good luck and hope everything comes up roses for you.
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I flew for BMI, as cabin crew, for 8 years(only left a few years ago) and we ve always been 100% supportive of flight crew. Still have many friends working there and have yet to speak to any cabin crew who does not agree with the pilot s demands.
Maybe the few people who disagree got in the company as part of the "we re desperate for cabin crew, so let s recruit anyone who applies" policy that happens everytime BA, Virgin or any other airline recruits.
I am sure that if cabin crew decided to take industrial action, flight crew would support them too! They know what a hard, tiring job it is and know that the pay and working conditions should be a lot better.
Flight crew arent enemies of any other airline staff. But the simple fact of the matter is that without them,aircraft dont take off. (I guess in theory the same could be said for a lot of the other staff, or else they wouldnt be needed, but in practice, flight crew are indispensable and therefore should be given excellent working conditions.) (no, i m not dating or married to a pilot, etc, etc. I just have common sense, am not envious or jealous of others and appreciate flight crew for doing their job safely and professionally)
Maybe the few people who disagree got in the company as part of the "we re desperate for cabin crew, so let s recruit anyone who applies" policy that happens everytime BA, Virgin or any other airline recruits.
I am sure that if cabin crew decided to take industrial action, flight crew would support them too! They know what a hard, tiring job it is and know that the pay and working conditions should be a lot better.
Flight crew arent enemies of any other airline staff. But the simple fact of the matter is that without them,aircraft dont take off. (I guess in theory the same could be said for a lot of the other staff, or else they wouldnt be needed, but in practice, flight crew are indispensable and therefore should be given excellent working conditions.) (no, i m not dating or married to a pilot, etc, etc. I just have common sense, am not envious or jealous of others and appreciate flight crew for doing their job safely and professionally)
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brighton rocks, not being
I do have considerable sympathy for those of my colleagues not fortunate enough to either earn as much as I do, or to have adequate union representation. Some postings from pilots have given the impression that they look down on other employees within the group. I do not.
However, you make it quite clear that you look on pilots with contempt (a common trait within senior bmi management, incidentally). Do not assume others share your personality defects. I wish you every success with your online business- perhaps by devoting yourself to it full-time you could increase your income even more? I hope I never fly with you- I treat all my colleagues with respect, as all their roles have a vital part in the continued safe operation. The chip on your shoulder is just too big to make you trustworthy.
totally stupid
However, you make it quite clear that you look on pilots with contempt (a common trait within senior bmi management, incidentally). Do not assume others share your personality defects. I wish you every success with your online business- perhaps by devoting yourself to it full-time you could increase your income even more? I hope I never fly with you- I treat all my colleagues with respect, as all their roles have a vital part in the continued safe operation. The chip on your shoulder is just too big to make you trustworthy.
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I have to agree with Moist on this - there is overwhelming support from the cabin crew I've been flying with over the past weeks. It's not really surprising because we all try to work as a team on 'my' flights - and I'm sure that goes for all bmi crews. If there really was such a groundswell of opposition to our cause - as you suggest - then I'd be the first to hear of it. Believe me.
Time permitting, one of us will try to make - or at least offer - a cuppa for the cabin crew on turnarounds. I'm also one of those pilots who try to ensure you've had enough time for those little essentials before agreeing to let the pax board. It's a team thing, you see. I certainly have no intention of allowing your jaundiced view of pilots alter my long-standing respect for the rest of my crew.
I honestly don't recognise your claim that we (flight deck) think we're Gods or any of the other daft descriptions you've posted. Although there has to be a hierarchy of rank on board, we are all otherwise of equal worth.
If you really are bmi mainline c/c - and my doubt continues to grow - then I'm genuinely sorry you feel this way about those of us at the pointy end. Perhaps have another read through of all the (genuine) pilot contributions on the previous 18 pages. It might be an idea to calm down before you go anywhere near an aeroplane. Not trying to be patronising, just realistic.
We're (in the main) reasonable people, driven to this point by some poor and inconsistent management. We don't all have second jobs - with your 'other business' you're on twice my salary - and we also have mortgages and families to support.
That's why we're taking this action.
I have to agree with Moist on this - there is overwhelming support from the cabin crew I've been flying with over the past weeks. It's not really surprising because we all try to work as a team on 'my' flights - and I'm sure that goes for all bmi crews. If there really was such a groundswell of opposition to our cause - as you suggest - then I'd be the first to hear of it. Believe me.
Time permitting, one of us will try to make - or at least offer - a cuppa for the cabin crew on turnarounds. I'm also one of those pilots who try to ensure you've had enough time for those little essentials before agreeing to let the pax board. It's a team thing, you see. I certainly have no intention of allowing your jaundiced view of pilots alter my long-standing respect for the rest of my crew.
I honestly don't recognise your claim that we (flight deck) think we're Gods or any of the other daft descriptions you've posted. Although there has to be a hierarchy of rank on board, we are all otherwise of equal worth.
If you really are bmi mainline c/c - and my doubt continues to grow - then I'm genuinely sorry you feel this way about those of us at the pointy end. Perhaps have another read through of all the (genuine) pilot contributions on the previous 18 pages. It might be an idea to calm down before you go anywhere near an aeroplane. Not trying to be patronising, just realistic.
We're (in the main) reasonable people, driven to this point by some poor and inconsistent management. We don't all have second jobs - with your 'other business' you're on twice my salary - and we also have mortgages and families to support.
That's why we're taking this action.
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Point taken and sorry for being generalistic about all flightdeck, emotions are running high throughout the whole group at the moment and suppose I was out of order - i do really want management to correct the error of their ways which will improve moral, and for all the crew to get back to what their good at - i just hope it doesn't take too long or we are going to lose good crew, good flightdeck and revenue paying pax.
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I have been bmi cabin crew for the last 6 years and have seen t & C's been eroded away for some time.
I am in full support of the flight deck actions, and regret that our union is not strong enough to join force with balpa on these issues.
The fact that the flight deck have been ballotted for strike action does not mean it will happen, we have tried to get our voices heard for the last couple of years but to no avail. It has always been put down to moaning.
Balloting for strike action is a simple indication that all are not happy and to make management come to the table and talk. This is all the flight deck are asking for. Management have refused to talk on so many occasions and imposes issues that are only beneficial to them, well enough is enough.
If action is the only way to go then i am in full support, especially if we get to benefit from any issues resolved.
I am in full support of the flight deck actions, and regret that our union is not strong enough to join force with balpa on these issues.
The fact that the flight deck have been ballotted for strike action does not mean it will happen, we have tried to get our voices heard for the last couple of years but to no avail. It has always been put down to moaning.
Balloting for strike action is a simple indication that all are not happy and to make management come to the table and talk. This is all the flight deck are asking for. Management have refused to talk on so many occasions and imposes issues that are only beneficial to them, well enough is enough.
If action is the only way to go then i am in full support, especially if we get to benefit from any issues resolved.
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The fact is the pilots signed an agreement with the company which they have reneged on and most of us who voted YES did so reluctantly to force them to talk to us. It looks like that will now happen and hopefully the talks will bring a resolution that is satisfactory, if not BALPA have a mandate to take strike action which they will use.
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The company are meeting with BALPA this week. So we probably will not hear anything until towards the end.
Since the 'baby' vote was a week ahead of the rest they are more critical on time. Action has to be taken normally within 28 days and 7 days notice given of such.
Since the 'baby' vote was a week ahead of the rest they are more critical on time. Action has to be taken normally within 28 days and 7 days notice given of such.
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I know I said I was going away going away, but there is a lot of support for the pilots from the groundstaff. We are glad that you are getting managements attention and forcing them to the table. Good luck and lets hope strikes aren't neccesary.
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Any news on when the company and BALPA are to meet yet ?
The time is ticking away rapidly for baby to take any action ... I understand only 28 days allowed from time of ballot ?
What concerns me is that if baby are forced to take action on their own (by that I mean without mainline and regional), they may be easier for management to pickoff
The time is ticking away rapidly for baby to take any action ... I understand only 28 days allowed from time of ballot ?
What concerns me is that if baby are forced to take action on their own (by that I mean without mainline and regional), they may be easier for management to pickoff
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If sub-chaters are used to "break" the strike, that's fine, because the pax will be OK, and BMI will be paying £££.
But what if mainline are called in to break a Baby strike? I think, by law, you have to do it. The thought of it alone would make me too ill to work!
But what if mainline are called in to break a Baby strike? I think, by law, you have to do it. The thought of it alone would make me too ill to work!
