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Miss Management - Your comments in regard to "not worth same as a pilot" and "being a different currency" has appauled me. I agree that the bmi board needed to see the facts that people aren't happy and real negotiating is to be done, but what you have done by your comments has alienated the rest of the BMI group and remember that there is no " I " in team. Sure you may have invested £75,000 grand in training - but that was your choice as a vocation, other people such as business travellers ( CUSTOMERS - YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER ) have probably invested a great deal more than you in establishing businesses which "CHOOSE" to use BMI as a means of dealing with other potential customers. Without their support you may not be able to pay of your £75,000 loan.
Yes in your eyes the other members of the bmi group - Cabin Crew, Office staff, RES, Baggage handlers ect ect may not be as qualified but without them your stuffed - you'd be flying empty planes with no revenue pax, which at the end of the day i'm sure you'll agree with your superior education will understand (no passengers no job).
I'm afraid you have done your cause no good with comments like those!
Rememeber your CRM or is it time for a refresher?
Yes in your eyes the other members of the bmi group - Cabin Crew, Office staff, RES, Baggage handlers ect ect may not be as qualified but without them your stuffed - you'd be flying empty planes with no revenue pax, which at the end of the day i'm sure you'll agree with your superior education will understand (no passengers no job).
I'm afraid you have done your cause no good with comments like those!
Rememeber your CRM or is it time for a refresher?
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Brighton Rocks
I don't see what's so appalling about what Miss M has said above.
The fact is that the people that she's talking about are not receiving the same kind of wages as pilots. That is a fact of life however you'd like to consider it. Therefore why is it so that it has "alienated the rest of the BMI group"? I'm afraid I disagree.
I don't see what's so appalling about what Miss M has said above.
The fact is that the people that she's talking about are not receiving the same kind of wages as pilots. That is a fact of life however you'd like to consider it. Therefore why is it so that it has "alienated the rest of the BMI group"? I'm afraid I disagree.
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Just seen SMB on the TV. Good to see he was up to speed with this website.
When asked what he thought of the following points his responses were:
“Earth provides enough to satisfy everyman’s need but not everyman’s greed”
Mahatma Ghandi.
SMB’s response “ Mahatma who”?
“2.4% of a pilot’s salary is more than most people earn”
SMB’s response “ Not in any airline I have anything to do with, but as far as yours truly is concerned no problem”.
“Accidental Prawn” where are you, we need some levity?
When asked what he thought of the following points his responses were:
“Earth provides enough to satisfy everyman’s need but not everyman’s greed”
Mahatma Ghandi.
SMB’s response “ Mahatma who”?
“2.4% of a pilot’s salary is more than most people earn”
SMB’s response “ Not in any airline I have anything to do with, but as far as yours truly is concerned no problem”.
“Accidental Prawn” where are you, we need some levity?
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Disagree all you like - there are members at Regional on £900 a month take home and can accept 2.5% pay rise, remember selling days off for £500 per duty - try £85 - as crewing state when their desperate they cant operate the flight with out you whether it be cabin crew or pilots. Mortgages still need to be paid, families supported ect - earlier in the thread i was 100% in agreement but now totally against your actions as the comments stated earlier (no one is as good as you - attitude)
My advice to the bmi management would be - cut out the dead wood - slim the airline down to a profitable one and offer contracts to staff which at the end of the day pilots are (not airline owners) that understand you cant offer pay increases when losing money - i would have thought with all the investment for education that it would be easy to see!
My advice to the bmi management would be - cut out the dead wood - slim the airline down to a profitable one and offer contracts to staff which at the end of the day pilots are (not airline owners) that understand you cant offer pay increases when losing money - i would have thought with all the investment for education that it would be easy to see!
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Originally Posted by keepitlit
no spin from the company on the web site about the vote, paul daniels couldnt even use his magic to spin the vote around
rgds
K.i.L.
rgds
K.i.L.
Re: BALPA/bmi mainline
release date: 25/08/2006
bmi mainline has today been advised by BALPA (British Airline Pilots’ Association) that 25 of bmi mainline 370 pilot workforce have voted against strike action. This represents 6.8% of the total bmi mainline pilot workforce.
Given that less than 7% of bmi mainline pilots voted against a strike we do not welcome BALPA’s decision to proceed with one. BALPA have requested a meeting with us to attempt to find a way through the dispute and we are reflecting on that proposal.
bmi mainlines’s offer of negotiations for a multi year pay deal for 2007 onwards remains on the table and we remain hopeful that any industrial action can be avoided.
Customers are advised to make changes to their travel plans. bmi mainline have no contingency plans in place to deal with any operational disruption and will keep customers advised of current information via its website, www.flybmi.com.
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Brighton Rocks
If you are not a professional pilot then why are you posting on a professional pilots' rumour network?
More to the point, why get so agitated by the overwhelming vote of no confidence in management, from all three sections of the pilot workforce?
It's not clear - from your two postings under this name - in what capacity you work for bmi but Miss Management's point was pretty clear to me: Unless you are a bmi pilot your contribution to this particular topic is worth far less. Put simply, you don't fully understand the issues.
Post all you want, but appreciate that the worth of your argument will always be less if you stray into a strange arena.
We are, of course, all equal in the eyes of God. If not those at DH.
If you are not a professional pilot then why are you posting on a professional pilots' rumour network?
More to the point, why get so agitated by the overwhelming vote of no confidence in management, from all three sections of the pilot workforce?
It's not clear - from your two postings under this name - in what capacity you work for bmi but Miss Management's point was pretty clear to me: Unless you are a bmi pilot your contribution to this particular topic is worth far less. Put simply, you don't fully understand the issues.
Post all you want, but appreciate that the worth of your argument will always be less if you stray into a strange arena.
We are, of course, all equal in the eyes of God. If not those at DH.
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Perhaps i should clear it up for you - No i'm not a "Nigel" so i understand that "nigels" think my opinion doesn't even scratch the surface but yes i am Bmi mainline cabin crew who came on pprune to see how arrogant members of our "team" are not only messing around with their livelihood but also those of the whole group who earn considerably less for poorer conditions. As i said before i totally supported the voting but a few arrogant messages on here show a "our way or no way" and no i'm not talking managment! - Yes you do have a valid argument but not a right to slag everyone off around you, and yes contrary to popular belief cabin crew are educated too,but also people persons which is why you are in the flight deck - bitching about how hard done to you are. Try it down the back sometime and maybe you'll realise that £500 is not bad for a day off and try working for over 2 weeks with of 6 on 2 off for the same amount.
Before you say "if you dont like it find another job!" i dont need to, i have my own small business which produces a profit of circa £150,000 a year and i work as crew part time because i enjoy it and dont need to pay off my training costs!
Forgot to mention - be as arrogant as you like - you need to remember that it takes two sides to make an agreement. Oh and if heads do roll you could always try www.flyukia.com by the state of the website they could do with some other short sighted flightdeck as they did the web designer for their site. Good luck whatever you decide and hope you get what you want! If you dont, as you think you're god maybe you can move some mountains - you may need too
Before you say "if you dont like it find another job!" i dont need to, i have my own small business which produces a profit of circa £150,000 a year and i work as crew part time because i enjoy it and dont need to pay off my training costs!
Forgot to mention - be as arrogant as you like - you need to remember that it takes two sides to make an agreement. Oh and if heads do roll you could always try www.flyukia.com by the state of the website they could do with some other short sighted flightdeck as they did the web designer for their site. Good luck whatever you decide and hope you get what you want! If you dont, as you think you're god maybe you can move some mountains - you may need too
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I am sorry that this thread has turned into such a personal slagging match between bmi employees. The GMB have gone to strike ballot. It is NOT just the pilots who are unhappy about the way in which they are being treated by the directors of this airline.
Our CEO is paid £421000 per year - is that reasonable ? - discuss
Our CEO is paid £421000 per year - is that reasonable ? - discuss
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brighton rocks
You seem to know a lot about regional, so maybe you are a regional employee? If so, it seems very odd that you have missed the fact that, at least in regional, the issues are more about lifestyle and conditions than money. If the company were crewed and run correctly, these matters could be addressed without significant cost. Lets not get into a petty debate that detracts from the 'big picture'...
You seem to know a lot about regional, so maybe you are a regional employee? If so, it seems very odd that you have missed the fact that, at least in regional, the issues are more about lifestyle and conditions than money. If the company were crewed and run correctly, these matters could be addressed without significant cost. Lets not get into a petty debate that detracts from the 'big picture'...
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I agree,but brighton as your fellow workers said today I quote "we were waiting to see how your vote turned out before we do something!"
So now you can vote with confidence and stand behind the pilots
We will be the ones with the wheelbarrows to hold our B*lls.
rgds
K.I.L.
So now you can vote with confidence and stand behind the pilots
We will be the ones with the wheelbarrows to hold our B*lls.
rgds
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Originally Posted by brighton_rocks
My advice to the bmi management would be - cut out the dead wood - slim the airline down to a profitable one
There is a degree of support for Balpa's action, from outwith the pilot workforce, even if it’s just the satisfaction of watching the management being forced onto a defensive footing. Especially from those, within the group, who do not have any form of staff representation and have been prevented from having so.
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Grow up the lot of you. Stop slagging each other and lets focus on what mtters here. BALPA members have given management something to be scared of and about bloody time too. Management have treated all the staff be it pilots, cc, groundstaff, account, etc, etc with complete and utter contempt and it's good to see someone at last standing upto them.
However personal attacks by flightdeck on other employees in the company is going to reduce the amount of goodwill shown if and when strikes do occur. Just because we don't fly the aircraft does not make us any less a decent, well educated human being. Why should we have to go and "get another job"? I love working for bmi, my collegues are some of the greatest people I have ever met and I enjoy working with the public. I just wish the management would start treating us all decently.
Lets draw a line under "if you are not with us......" and get this thread back on track.
Lex. xx
However personal attacks by flightdeck on other employees in the company is going to reduce the amount of goodwill shown if and when strikes do occur. Just because we don't fly the aircraft does not make us any less a decent, well educated human being. Why should we have to go and "get another job"? I love working for bmi, my collegues are some of the greatest people I have ever met and I enjoy working with the public. I just wish the management would start treating us all decently.
Lets draw a line under "if you are not with us......" and get this thread back on track.
Lex. xx
However personal attacks by flightdeck on other employees in the company is going to reduce the amount of goodwill shown if and when strikes do occur.
I love working for bmi, my collegues are some of the greatest people I have ever met
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'that the most important part of the debate is that planes don't fly without pilots'
If you haven't noticed they also don't fly without passengers
I am booked to fly with BMI next month but like others i will be seeking alternative travel and will not be booking with them again.
If you haven't noticed they also don't fly without passengers
I am booked to fly with BMI next month but like others i will be seeking alternative travel and will not be booking with them again.
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Just remember Miss M et al, when all this action is settled and you return to what you joined up to do ie flying the planes, you will also have to work with all these worthless, "not up to your standard" colleagues. We are the people who really keep the airline running, you are merely the final piece of the jigsaw. Agreed, we may not have lashed out £75k for our training, but we do a valuable job - you would do well to remember that.
I for one won't forget the attitude thrown at us mortals from your direction.
I for one won't forget the attitude thrown at us mortals from your direction.
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brighton rocks, on behalf of the entire bmi pilot force, let me apologise for having the temerity to allow our petty concern for our livelihoods to interfere with your hobby. Perhaps if we all had alternative sources of income, we could all be in the fortunate position to say "i work as crew part time because i enjoy it." We might even find ourselves with enough time to look for reasons to resent those around us! Of course, having no scheduling agreement, spare time is something of a rarity at regional.
Personally I have no real issue salary wise. Admittedly, more would be very nice, but 2.4% still gives me a nice round sum when considered over an entire year. However, I do appreciate that others within the Group have to survive on considerably less than my salary; I would have no complaints if whatever scheduling agreement is made for the pilots should be the basis for a similar agreement for cabin crew.
Personally I have no real issue salary wise. Admittedly, more would be very nice, but 2.4% still gives me a nice round sum when considered over an entire year. However, I do appreciate that others within the Group have to survive on considerably less than my salary; I would have no complaints if whatever scheduling agreement is made for the pilots should be the basis for a similar agreement for cabin crew.
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I stand by what I have said before and with respect to all "others" would seriously like to be able to continue the debating of the BMI group pilots' welfare on these pages, without petty interruptions from other empoyed staff.
The reason is simple. I come here to debate Pilot issues. This is a Professional Pilots' chitchatty website and not titled Empoyees of the World Rumour Network.
If by some unlikely reason I wanted to debate Cabin Crew or Office Staff, or god forbid Security Staff welfare - please someone point me to their website if there is one.
So, I hope it is now clear to "others" that Pilots feel they have a different kind of fight on their hands from you and kindly therefore leave us to our own problems to solve and discuss amongst ourselves, as you would.
Miss Management
The reason is simple. I come here to debate Pilot issues. This is a Professional Pilots' chitchatty website and not titled Empoyees of the World Rumour Network.
If by some unlikely reason I wanted to debate Cabin Crew or Office Staff, or god forbid Security Staff welfare - please someone point me to their website if there is one.
So, I hope it is now clear to "others" that Pilots feel they have a different kind of fight on their hands from you and kindly therefore leave us to our own problems to solve and discuss amongst ourselves, as you would.
Miss Management
So, I hope it is now clear to "others" that Pilots feel they have a different kind of fight on their hands from you and kindly therefore leave us to our own problems to solve and discuss amongst ourselves, as you would.