Revised Pay Offer to easyJet Pilots - April 2006
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I have 18 yrs to retirement on peanuts as things stand. It ain't good enough. I'm tired of being patronised by management euphenisms about how this company is a career airline. Until they show serious intentions my vote is no.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but in this new pay deal the loyalty bonus is combined with an escape route ?
Quote: "All captains will be paid a lump sum loyalty bonus on the second and subsequent anniversaries of joining the company in accordance with the table below, provided the company was in profit on the previous 30th september "
I don't like the last part, do you ?
So this has to be adressed.
For the F/O's loyalty bonus, it's the same !!
Quote: "All captains will be paid a lump sum loyalty bonus on the second and subsequent anniversaries of joining the company in accordance with the table below, provided the company was in profit on the previous 30th september "
I don't like the last part, do you ?
So this has to be adressed.
For the F/O's loyalty bonus, it's the same !!
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I quite agree. The idea was to set out to make easy a career airline in both terms of pay and lifestyle.
The pay side of things was generally thought by everyone ( including myself ) to mean a decent pension and an incremental pay scale.
Why are so many people seemingly giving up when neither of these two have been achieved??
All they have given back are things they took away from us a year or so ago...So back to stage one. No great achievement in my book.
The negotiations over roster etc are forthcoming but don't give up on this yet.
Vote NO!
The pay side of things was generally thought by everyone ( including myself ) to mean a decent pension and an incremental pay scale.
Why are so many people seemingly giving up when neither of these two have been achieved??
All they have given back are things they took away from us a year or so ago...So back to stage one. No great achievement in my book.
The negotiations over roster etc are forthcoming but don't give up on this yet.
Vote NO!
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although this deal represents an improvement on previous, i don't think the pension element is anywhere close to what should secure a yes vote. But unfortunately apathy seems to be setting in. Standing by to repent at leisure (as usual).
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The caveat on loyalty bonus is the same as currently exists and, I'm pretty sure, always has done.
The company had to be £1 in profit to pay out the whole bonus.
Can't remember when it wasn't paid!!
The company had to be £1 in profit to pay out the whole bonus.
Can't remember when it wasn't paid!!
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Regarding the pay offer, it has indeed been officially recommended by BALPA. In the statement of 20th April called 'October 2005 Pay and Benefits Review Bulletin no. 15', there is a covering letter from the CC Chairman. In it he states, 'As, in terms of pay, the new offer is a good one we recommend its acceptance. Also we believe the time has now come to concentrate of the scheduling/lifestyle issues.'
It is apparent that the vote will be closer than I first thought - although I still think there will be a comfortable 'YES' vote. Quite a lot of people have come out on the BALPA website against it and among those contributing it is running about 50/50. Can I recommend to all BALPA members that they participate in the online poll that is being provided there. It is not the 'official' ballot but proved remarkably accurate as a predictor for the last vote. At the moment it is indicating 66% in favour but with only a few votes cast.
It is apparent that the vote will be closer than I first thought - although I still think there will be a comfortable 'YES' vote. Quite a lot of people have come out on the BALPA website against it and among those contributing it is running about 50/50. Can I recommend to all BALPA members that they participate in the online poll that is being provided there. It is not the 'official' ballot but proved remarkably accurate as a predictor for the last vote. At the moment it is indicating 66% in favour but with only a few votes cast.
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Originally Posted by marshall737
Correct me if I am wrong, but in this new pay deal the loyalty bonus is combined with an escape route ?
Quote: "All captains will be paid a lump sum loyalty bonus on the second and subsequent anniversaries of joining the company in accordance with the table below, provided the company was in profit on the previous 30th september "
I don't like the last part, do you ?
So this has to be adressed.
For the F/O's loyalty bonus, it's the same !!
Quote: "All captains will be paid a lump sum loyalty bonus on the second and subsequent anniversaries of joining the company in accordance with the table below, provided the company was in profit on the previous 30th september "
I don't like the last part, do you ?
So this has to be adressed.
For the F/O's loyalty bonus, it's the same !!
If the company isn't in profit by year's end, be worried about more than just your bonus!
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Oleo,
Plenty of guys have had to relocate to get their commands. I did it myself at a time when my youngest child was 12 months old entailing a 220 mile commute with really only one useful day off at home - but guess what, you could always turn down the course and stay in the rhs! Payrise with some pain or easier life with less money - your choice. The company will offer commands where they are required, they won't invent a vacancy just to suit you. I take your point about DECs though. I eventually returned to my base to find DECs there who 'couldn't accept any other base for personal reasons'. That's just the way it is at Easyjet. I've since left by the way - not particularly unhappy with Easyjet, just wanted to try something different.
10% is a minimum considering the cost of living in the UK - good luck to all.
Plenty of guys have had to relocate to get their commands. I did it myself at a time when my youngest child was 12 months old entailing a 220 mile commute with really only one useful day off at home - but guess what, you could always turn down the course and stay in the rhs! Payrise with some pain or easier life with less money - your choice. The company will offer commands where they are required, they won't invent a vacancy just to suit you. I take your point about DECs though. I eventually returned to my base to find DECs there who 'couldn't accept any other base for personal reasons'. That's just the way it is at Easyjet. I've since left by the way - not particularly unhappy with Easyjet, just wanted to try something different.
10% is a minimum considering the cost of living in the UK - good luck to all.
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Oleo,
I wasn't trying to wind you up, just stating the facts as I saw them in easyjet. You can only work with what's on offer from the company and only the individual can decide if what's on offer suits them, that's all I was saying.
Good luck with the command, I hope it works out for you.
I wasn't trying to wind you up, just stating the facts as I saw them in easyjet. You can only work with what's on offer from the company and only the individual can decide if what's on offer suits them, that's all I was saying.
Good luck with the command, I hope it works out for you.
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Quote WTB:
"You can only work with what's on offer from the company"
So lets change whats on offer!
By the way you would have no idee whats on offer now as management is diregarding all agreements and promises.
"You can only work with what's on offer from the company"
So lets change whats on offer!
By the way you would have no idee whats on offer now as management is diregarding all agreements and promises.
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so was my comment!
as long as the base transfer list is not transparant and being dog legged by management we have to try and change this system. By the way after just reading PT latest email regarding this issue I can from own experience confirm he's lying (again).
rgds
as long as the base transfer list is not transparant and being dog legged by management we have to try and change this system. By the way after just reading PT latest email regarding this issue I can from own experience confirm he's lying (again).
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Will vote yes! The offer is much better than any other in the industry. Never been a company man, but too much in life to be dismal about so tend to concentrate on the positives:Quick time to command.
LHS, after 2 Years, package worth around £92,000 (500 sectors)
Million times more ethical management than FR!!!!!!!!
Reality Check; look at the other threads and see whats happening at other airlines. Personally I am glad to have a job, and with oil prices heading North feel BALPA have secured a great victory on our behalf. Move on and concentrate on improvements to Rostering; I for one would forego the payrise in exchange for 5454!
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It is apparent that the vote is very finely balanced at the moment. People who initially spoke of voting 'Yes' have now come out firmly against the deal. As you would imagine, there are strong feelings being expressed on all sides and I think a marginal No vote is now possible but unlikely. I received my ballot paper today and voted 'Yes' - albeit with some considerable reservations. My own view is that we are at the end of the road in terms of what can sensibly be achieved without a destructive strike that would ultimately be in nobody's interests. Were that to arise there would be a danger of losing our gains in order to fund the losses from the strike.
Many people are concerned about what could have been rather than what a significant victory BALPA have won. It is true that we really got nothing on the pension but we nonetheless gained 6% this year and 4% next year - a feat which I believe to be the best in the industry this year by some margin. Perhaps even more importantly, we have won this victory without having to disadvantage any other employee group to do so. In the past the FO's lost their loyalty bonus to pay for Captains' pay rises, but now they have won it back without having to give up anything in return. This may not be a perfect deal but right now it is still the best in town.
Many people are concerned about what could have been rather than what a significant victory BALPA have won. It is true that we really got nothing on the pension but we nonetheless gained 6% this year and 4% next year - a feat which I believe to be the best in the industry this year by some margin. Perhaps even more importantly, we have won this victory without having to disadvantage any other employee group to do so. In the past the FO's lost their loyalty bonus to pay for Captains' pay rises, but now they have won it back without having to give up anything in return. This may not be a perfect deal but right now it is still the best in town.
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When you look at what has been achieved so far, then it really is better to vote "yes" but with obvious reservations. After 8 months of wrangling, it really is time to take the money and move on. While linking this deal to lifestyle issues would be sensible and appropriate, there can be no improvements in this area without more crew and this will take some time. Some feel,, myself included, that time is running out quickly for those in the Orange Empire as this lifestyle issue has been going on for 6 years and they are not going to get much more of a chance to fix it before it is too late. 350 pilots have left in less than 4 years: Get it sorted NOW!!!!!!
The deal is incredibly vanilla in terms of creating a career airline. The first deal, which was rejected due inconsistencies in the sector pay was actually better for us long term, providing the company had sorted out the massive anomilies in sector pay which could have been done easily and for comparitively little money. I was quite impressed and surprised with the structure of the last offer; it provided an excellent framework for the future and with minor tweaks could have been exceptional. I am a bit surprised they would stump up this rehash of the previous agreement without seriously trying to make the improved offer work. They just dont understand it though; this will cost them in the long term and they will end up paying more. But that has aways been the easyJet way: If they spent as much time trying to make money as they do trying to save money, they would actually make a lot more!!!!
The deal is incredibly vanilla in terms of creating a career airline. The first deal, which was rejected due inconsistencies in the sector pay was actually better for us long term, providing the company had sorted out the massive anomilies in sector pay which could have been done easily and for comparitively little money. I was quite impressed and surprised with the structure of the last offer; it provided an excellent framework for the future and with minor tweaks could have been exceptional. I am a bit surprised they would stump up this rehash of the previous agreement without seriously trying to make the improved offer work. They just dont understand it though; this will cost them in the long term and they will end up paying more. But that has aways been the easyJet way: If they spent as much time trying to make money as they do trying to save money, they would actually make a lot more!!!!