Jet2 Sector Pay?
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Still Got His Club.
The office move is due to BOH wanting the site of our offices for their own expansion. Leeds area is not an ''area of lower salaries''. If any one needs to "wipe the sh!t" out of their eyes is you.
The office move is due to BOH wanting the site of our offices for their own expansion. Leeds area is not an ''area of lower salaries''. If any one needs to "wipe the sh!t" out of their eyes is you.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
still got his clubs....don't bother mate: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, as the saying goes.
The problem with the Jet2 jockey's is their amateurism and general lack of avaition experience. It shines through throughout this whole thread and the previous threads, generally regarding this airline's shoddy, low standards. ID got a round of applause from his minions in Manchester for giving the FOs £2.50 per sector and the Captains £6.00
it say's it all.
They are in the low cost sector and some of them think that it's fantastic to only be flying 40 hours per month when everyone else is flying 90, they are happy to be paid less.
MANBLK hasn't factored into that the fact that they have the largest bill for contractors of any other loco, the nodding dog, NH, will tell you that this is all ok, though. He doesn't think about the airframes standing idle on the ramps of Northern England earning absolutely nothing (in fact costing) while they are not in the air. They won't survive at this level if they continue as they are. Fact. Their yield & load factors aren't good, how's the loads on the BLK routes or the EDIMAN?
I believe that PM has in fact sold on some of his aircraft & then re-leased them back. If he hasn't yet then watch this space. Why does he insist on recruiting people with low hours who will pay for their ratings? Because, 1) no experienced person will touch them unless they are contractors, 2) he can manipulate and bully them into taking piss-take level pay increases, 3) he can bond them and force them into staying with his tin pot outfit, hell, he even tries that one on with guys who made the mistake of going there already type rated!
How many of you who have had a pop at Silverhawk have got his experience & years in the industry? I don't think his plan is the best idea put forward but at least he's trying to achieve something. Boeingmann's mum probably still sends him to work with a hanky and his name written in the back of his jacket and yet he rips into silverhawk without anything constuctive to say.
As I've said, still got his clubs, don't bother....
The problem with the Jet2 jockey's is their amateurism and general lack of avaition experience. It shines through throughout this whole thread and the previous threads, generally regarding this airline's shoddy, low standards. ID got a round of applause from his minions in Manchester for giving the FOs £2.50 per sector and the Captains £6.00
it say's it all.They are in the low cost sector and some of them think that it's fantastic to only be flying 40 hours per month when everyone else is flying 90, they are happy to be paid less.
If you take into account the pay and conditions, pay-per-pilot-hour in Jet2 is roughly the same as in Ryanair or easyJet. We fly less and get paid less.
I believe that PM has in fact sold on some of his aircraft & then re-leased them back. If he hasn't yet then watch this space. Why does he insist on recruiting people with low hours who will pay for their ratings? Because, 1) no experienced person will touch them unless they are contractors, 2) he can manipulate and bully them into taking piss-take level pay increases, 3) he can bond them and force them into staying with his tin pot outfit, hell, he even tries that one on with guys who made the mistake of going there already type rated!
How many of you who have had a pop at Silverhawk have got his experience & years in the industry? I don't think his plan is the best idea put forward but at least he's trying to achieve something. Boeingmann's mum probably still sends him to work with a hanky and his name written in the back of his jacket and yet he rips into silverhawk without anything constuctive to say.
As I've said, still got his clubs, don't bother....
Off Track
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Twixt Devil and Deep Blue
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm impressed.... 14 pages before the first of the trio of Jet2 bashers appears.
Well done Pulp Fiction, those anger management classes have obviuosly started working
ILS
Well done Pulp Fiction, those anger management classes have obviuosly started working
ILS
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Back to the sale and lease of aircraft. I thought most of the aircraft were paid for with mortgages. What would be the point of selling the aircraft to pay off the mortgage then spend money on a lease? That would not free up any cash, would it? Can't see that PM would of made a profit on the sale of aircaft.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: N5721.2W00216.4
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Since still got his clubs hasn’t advised me how to check the ownership of Jet2 aircraft and whether they have been sold by Jet2 and re-leased, information which he must have had to make his post asserting that Jet2’s aircraft have been sold and re-leased; also Pulp Fiction posts:
“I believe that PM has in fact sold on some of his aircraft & then re-leased them back”
And he has not told us how he got his information; is it logical to assume that this information is in fact either based on un-proven hearsay or even the posters wistfulness?
Pulp Fiction posts: “How many of you who have had a pop at Silverhawk have got his experience & years in the industry?”
Do you know Silverhawk PF? Or are you assuming that Silverhawk has got has lots of experience & years in the industry? - Not a pop at you Silverhawk, I admire your motivation, I just think you are wrong about the T & G and joint representation with CC.
Pulp Fiction also posts: “They are in the low cost sector and some of them think that it's fantastic to only be flying 40 hours per month when everyone else is flying 90, they are happy to be paid less.”
Well yes! I don’t want to fly 90 hours a month, I want to be home every night and I want enough money to pay the bills and enjoy my life. Since I can do this for half of what a RYR Captain gets paid, why work more than I have to?
“The problem with the Jet2 jockey's is their amateurism and general lack of aviation experience.”
Do you include the ex Loganair, ex Monarch, ex Emirates A330/340 Captain based in EDI in this statement?
Or the ex Orion, ex Air2000, ex Brunei, ex Gulf Air, ex GO Captain based in STN?
Or the ex Virgin Atlantic A340 Captain based at LBA?
(Lots of others I know, but that is a fair spread of bases)
With respect to you PF, if your goal is 900 hours a year and as much money as possible then that part of your post “general lack of aviation experience” applies to you.
The question remains, for any to answer please:
How can one check the ownership or leaseholder of an aircraft?
“I believe that PM has in fact sold on some of his aircraft & then re-leased them back”
And he has not told us how he got his information; is it logical to assume that this information is in fact either based on un-proven hearsay or even the posters wistfulness?
Pulp Fiction posts: “How many of you who have had a pop at Silverhawk have got his experience & years in the industry?”
Do you know Silverhawk PF? Or are you assuming that Silverhawk has got has lots of experience & years in the industry? - Not a pop at you Silverhawk, I admire your motivation, I just think you are wrong about the T & G and joint representation with CC.
Pulp Fiction also posts: “They are in the low cost sector and some of them think that it's fantastic to only be flying 40 hours per month when everyone else is flying 90, they are happy to be paid less.”
Well yes! I don’t want to fly 90 hours a month, I want to be home every night and I want enough money to pay the bills and enjoy my life. Since I can do this for half of what a RYR Captain gets paid, why work more than I have to?
“The problem with the Jet2 jockey's is their amateurism and general lack of aviation experience.”
Do you include the ex Loganair, ex Monarch, ex Emirates A330/340 Captain based in EDI in this statement?
Or the ex Orion, ex Air2000, ex Brunei, ex Gulf Air, ex GO Captain based in STN?
Or the ex Virgin Atlantic A340 Captain based at LBA?
(Lots of others I know, but that is a fair spread of bases)
With respect to you PF, if your goal is 900 hours a year and as much money as possible then that part of your post “general lack of aviation experience” applies to you.
The question remains, for any to answer please:
How can one check the ownership or leaseholder of an aircraft?
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
according to the plaque on the aircraft, owned by Dart Group PLC, Wonder who they are? possibly the holding company for Jet2.com. What a funny coincidence that is. Cant' think why PM would want to seel them to his own company. Gee could it be a because all of the Jet2 aircraft and formerly Channex are all in the same boat... owned by the parent and leased to the subsiduary!
Here here Maat,
Box
Here here Maat,
Box
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Fratton End
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Brass Plaque in St Peters Port is surely far more important BoxJ99 ?
Learn to read your end of year accounts boy , or better still buy me a couple of pints of best and I'll explain Voodoo Economics, Trusts, Liens and Forex Swaps. It will be the best investment of your sector pay for years. P+L it's all in the wrist action and can be done on the back of fag packet!
PS the foocker loadies are comin to get yer!
Learn to read your end of year accounts boy , or better still buy me a couple of pints of best and I'll explain Voodoo Economics, Trusts, Liens and Forex Swaps. It will be the best investment of your sector pay for years. P+L it's all in the wrist action and can be done on the back of fag packet!
PS the foocker loadies are comin to get yer!
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Freight Doggy
I look forward to it with baited breath although I prefer my reading material more highbrow than company accounts ... the Star or the Mirror LOL
I look forward to our session with Shuperstar its always good to find out what trouble he's in now!
all the best mate, give me a shout when you're up here next and we'll go and dicuss the creative book keeping!
Box
I look forward to it with baited breath although I prefer my reading material more highbrow than company accounts ... the Star or the Mirror LOL
I look forward to our session with Shuperstar its always good to find out what trouble he's in now!
all the best mate, give me a shout when you're up here next and we'll go and dicuss the creative book keeping!
Box
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: England
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OI!!!!
Wot trouble am I an now???? I'm already duty rumour at LBA!
Just coz two gimps in another thread have no idea about security!!!
Pilots think security is two big geezers in bomber jackets throwing them out of a bar!!!
Remember Box we are all owned by Dart Towers!!!!!
Yes the foooocker loadies are coming...............!!!!!!
Wot trouble am I an now???? I'm already duty rumour at LBA!
Just coz two gimps in another thread have no idea about security!!!
Pilots think security is two big geezers in bomber jackets throwing them out of a bar!!!
Remember Box we are all owned by Dart Towers!!!!!
Yes the foooocker loadies are coming...............!!!!!!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi Maat,
How about the German ex-everything Captain who went on to fly for Helios (with the tragically predicted result) because your management ignored the FOs, two Training Captains, and a line Captain when they all flagged up that he couldn't actually fly?
How about an ex Dan Air Captain who can't stay awake long enough to reach top of climb?
How about a 'Careful' Captain, has he managed to land in Chambery yet without polluting his pants?
My goal is certainly not 900 hours a year, Maat, it's just a fact of loco life that if you want to stay in business you have to be at the very top of productivity. You are naive in the extreme if you think that working half of these hours with aircraft sitting idle will keep an airline in business.
How about the German ex-everything Captain who went on to fly for Helios (with the tragically predicted result) because your management ignored the FOs, two Training Captains, and a line Captain when they all flagged up that he couldn't actually fly?
How about an ex Dan Air Captain who can't stay awake long enough to reach top of climb?
How about a 'Careful' Captain, has he managed to land in Chambery yet without polluting his pants?
My goal is certainly not 900 hours a year, Maat, it's just a fact of loco life that if you want to stay in business you have to be at the very top of productivity. You are naive in the extreme if you think that working half of these hours with aircraft sitting idle will keep an airline in business.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pulp Fiction,
I don't think there's anything wrong with being careful!
As for the other people you mention, why didn't you raise these issues, or do something while you were at Jet2?
And how does all this have anything to do with Sector pay?
OS
I don't think there's anything wrong with being careful!
As for the other people you mention, why didn't you raise these issues, or do something while you were at Jet2?
And how does all this have anything to do with Sector pay?
OS
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My goal is certainly not 900 hours a year, Maat, it's just a fact of loco life that if you want to stay in business you have to be at the very top of productivity. You are naive in the extreme if you think that working half of these hours with aircraft sitting idle will keep an airline in business.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
idle?
jet2 impress,
There have been a few at Man generally (idle a/c), but that is changing with the night IBZ etc.. there will only be a few hours down time per a/c each 24 hr period.
Are the 757s over at LBA seeing a lot of action now?
There have been a few at Man generally (idle a/c), but that is changing with the night IBZ etc.. there will only be a few hours down time per a/c each 24 hr period.
Are the 757s over at LBA seeing a lot of action now?
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Manchester
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jet2 Sector Pay
Jet2's business covers three areas;
a) Freight - Long term Royal Mail Contract
b) Charters
c) Locost
Further our parent company, The Dart Group, has other interests namely distribution, one of the largest in Europe. All of this makes for a completely different type of business operation compared with the other locost airlines which only have the locost to generate revenue.
All of Jet2 737/757 are owned by the parent company and are purchased via mortgages. There is no advantage to sale and re-lease these aircraft as the cost will be much higher. If Jet2 ever needs cash
injection there are many other ways of securing it.
As for "Pulp Ficition" and "Still Got His Clubs". They have shown by their posts they have no knowledge of Jet2's activity or meet PM. Their posts are designed to undermine the confidence within Jet2. These
two are fools of first order and should be ignored until they disappear.
a) Freight - Long term Royal Mail Contract
b) Charters
c) Locost
Further our parent company, The Dart Group, has other interests namely distribution, one of the largest in Europe. All of this makes for a completely different type of business operation compared with the other locost airlines which only have the locost to generate revenue.
All of Jet2 737/757 are owned by the parent company and are purchased via mortgages. There is no advantage to sale and re-lease these aircraft as the cost will be much higher. If Jet2 ever needs cash
injection there are many other ways of securing it.
As for "Pulp Ficition" and "Still Got His Clubs". They have shown by their posts they have no knowledge of Jet2's activity or meet PM. Their posts are designed to undermine the confidence within Jet2. These
two are fools of first order and should be ignored until they disappear.
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Springfield
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A caution –
Pulp Fiction / X-Centric and most likely the golfer are one and the same.
He is a disgruntled ex employee of jet2.com
Although his posts are vitriolic and juvenile, I sense where this thread is going ! (again!!!!!!)
Don’t rise to the bait.
Why doesn’t someone ask why he spends his (limited) home time on the internet - slagging off his previous employer (and colleagues) when he might be better served spending some time in the books and flying the aircraft to an acceptable standard ?
Of course, the answer is clear to the good people at jet2.com but not so obvious to the good people at PPRuNe.
P.S. Pulp – the Captain who was “cautious”. I hope that even a silly, chip on the shoulder little fellow like you could learn something from that ?.
But probably not.
Pulp Fiction / X-Centric and most likely the golfer are one and the same.
He is a disgruntled ex employee of jet2.com
Although his posts are vitriolic and juvenile, I sense where this thread is going ! (again!!!!!!)
Don’t rise to the bait.
Why doesn’t someone ask why he spends his (limited) home time on the internet - slagging off his previous employer (and colleagues) when he might be better served spending some time in the books and flying the aircraft to an acceptable standard ?
Of course, the answer is clear to the good people at jet2.com but not so obvious to the good people at PPRuNe.
P.S. Pulp – the Captain who was “cautious”. I hope that even a silly, chip on the shoulder little fellow like you could learn something from that ?.
But probably not.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK North
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So where are we up to about a union?
I've put my T&G membership on hold for the time being, in the hope that Jet2 BALPA members will get their union to organise a meeting of members and prospective members at Leeds and Manchester soon.
If they'll do that, I'll certainly go and listen and I'm sure many others will too. If they can't or won't, they clearly have an apathy with regards to Jet2 in which case they are obviously the wrong choice of union.
If they'll do that, I'll certainly go and listen and I'm sure many others will too. If they can't or won't, they clearly have an apathy with regards to Jet2 in which case they are obviously the wrong choice of union.