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Not sure where NN gets his 56 days from. You'll get 4 x 7 day blocks of leave (which you cannot work in) and 2 x 7 day Duty Free Weeks, which you can choose to work in. That makes 42 days leave/holiday/call it what you will. NN may be including 'Wrap' days which are a couple of days taken either before or after each block of leave/DFW which you cannot be rostered to work on if you choose not to be. However these days are not leave as such as they attract no credit, so if you choose not to work on them you'll have to work extra hard for the rest of the month to make the credit back somewhere else. Wrap days should be considered guaranteed days off rather than paid holiday.
As for 4 weekends per year, that is very possible if you are junior. I know junior skippers on the Airbus who have not been rostered a weekend off outside leave for almost a year. Seniority is everything, and if you're junior then weekend working every weekend every month is a distinct possibility.
The 757/767 seems to be a very popular fleet at the moment. For commands this year it was the second most senior fleet in the company after the 744. Workloads seem to be manageable and even junior pilots seem to get the occasional long haul trip. Seems like a nice place to be.
As for 4 weekends per year, that is very possible if you are junior. I know junior skippers on the Airbus who have not been rostered a weekend off outside leave for almost a year. Seniority is everything, and if you're junior then weekend working every weekend every month is a distinct possibility.
The 757/767 seems to be a very popular fleet at the moment. For commands this year it was the second most senior fleet in the company after the 744. Workloads seem to be manageable and even junior pilots seem to get the occasional long haul trip. Seems like a nice place to be.
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If you really know what you are talking about, then try not to make small but irritating mistakes, please:
You actually get 1-7day block and 1-8day block in each of summer and winter seasons, which may be taken as above, or as a single 15 day block.
Again you get 3 'Wrap' days before/after each block of leave and 1 non-assignable day before each DFW.
There are 2 DFW per year each giving 7-days free of work (*).
Leave and DFW days accrue proportionate amounts of credit, so a 15day leave block = 50% of the due work in a 30day month.
This makes in total (2x15 days + 2x7days) 44 days of credited days off, plus 6 days surrounding leave and 2 days before DFW which are uncredited, ie 8 total.
That to me totals 52 days, admittedly not the 56 of N_N, so I'm not quite sure where that comes from.
Whatever else is wrong at BA the T&C's for leave are excellent.
(*) The DFW may be worked in at personal choice, the work can therefore be used to build up a credit surplus aka a bank, against which less work can be carried out in subsequent months.
If you really know what you are talking about, then try not to make small but irritating mistakes, please:
You'll get 4 x 7 day blocks of leave (which you cannot work in)
NN may be including 'Wrap' days which are a couple of days taken either before or after each block of leave/DFW which you cannot be rostered to work on if you choose not to be.
There are 2 DFW per year each giving 7-days free of work (*).
Leave and DFW days accrue proportionate amounts of credit, so a 15day leave block = 50% of the due work in a 30day month.
This makes in total (2x15 days + 2x7days) 44 days of credited days off, plus 6 days surrounding leave and 2 days before DFW which are uncredited, ie 8 total.
That to me totals 52 days, admittedly not the 56 of N_N, so I'm not quite sure where that comes from.
Whatever else is wrong at BA the T&C's for leave are excellent.
(*) The DFW may be worked in at personal choice, the work can therefore be used to build up a credit surplus aka a bank, against which less work can be carried out in subsequent months.
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I'm not particularly interested in credited days off, but I take your point its probably the correct way to calculate it.
I use my wraps like any other day off. They can't make me work and as far as I'm concerned its time off.
I always split my leave so
Winter
8 day block +3 (11)
7 day block +3 (10)
1 DFW 7
28 total.
Summer
Same
I make that 56 days. Add the 2 non contactable before a DFW (is that correct, not sure?) and that gets me 58 days "leave". I certainly take it as so.
Am I off the mark?
NN
I'm not particularly interested in credited days off, but I take your point its probably the correct way to calculate it.
I use my wraps like any other day off. They can't make me work and as far as I'm concerned its time off.
I always split my leave so
Winter
8 day block +3 (11)
7 day block +3 (10)
1 DFW 7
28 total.
Summer
Same
I make that 56 days. Add the 2 non contactable before a DFW (is that correct, not sure?) and that gets me 58 days "leave". I certainly take it as so.
Am I off the mark?
NN
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When you first start you will be on blind lines anyway, so you will be CAP protected, with nothing in your bank to be taken if you do not waive your wrap days around leave.
To the lay person, this means that you will have the leave as described by Normal_Nigel, and there will be no financial penalty or particular necessity to work extra hard in the rest of the month.
To the lay person, this means that you will have the leave as described by Normal_Nigel, and there will be no financial penalty or particular necessity to work extra hard in the rest of the month.
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I’d be more bothered about the 3-4 weekends off a year to be honest! The leave undoubtedly makes it a little less cheeky though . . . What about the right to bid for trips? Do they pull out some SS gloves and give newbies a slap around the chops at the mere suggestion? How long til you get more bidding power (that's how it works in BA yes?)?
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I’d be more bothered about the 3-4 weekends off a year to be honest! The leave undoubtedly makes it a little less cheeky though . . . What about the right to bid for trips? Do they pull out some SS gloves and give newbies a slap around the chops at the mere suggestion? How long til you get more bidding power (that's how it works in BA yes?)?
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NN,
At the risk of sounding picky, I thought it was two WR days around a 7 day leave block. The NA day before a DFW is correct in that you can't be allocated a trip although you can be returned from a trip on that day. That gives you your total of 56 days per year.
As has been mentioned though, the Wrap Days and the Non-Assignable day attract no credit, so can effect the way you bid.
At the risk of sounding picky, I thought it was two WR days around a 7 day leave block. The NA day before a DFW is correct in that you can't be allocated a trip although you can be returned from a trip on that day. That gives you your total of 56 days per year.
As has been mentioned though, the Wrap Days and the Non-Assignable day attract no credit, so can effect the way you bid.
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This is getting silly. So breaks are random and no weekends? I really don't want to hear that BA's lifestyle is worse than the cash saving flying harp? I'm just going to run a bath and look for my razor blades.
So Long
This is getting silly. So breaks are random and no weekends? I really don't want to hear that BA's lifestyle is worse than the cash saving flying harp? I'm just going to run a bath and look for my razor blades.
So Long
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I forgot to multiply by 2 for the wrap days in each season, so add 6 to my 52 to get your 58, agreed (or 56 if you choose to ignore the non assignable days before DFW).
Why you would wish to ignore them is another matter - whilst you cannot clash work using them (unlike wrap days) they can be useful, as can bidding for a sim check to start on a Monday, which gives you a protected, non operational, guaranteed day off on the Sunday before the simulator - another way of engineering another weekend day off. By requesting a 'late' sim detail, it effectively totally frees up the Sunday, and indeed that day can then be used for clashing work off the Saturday. With 2 sim checks per year you can achieve another 2 weekands (well at least Sundays) off each year.
I reckon that with prudent bidding, even the most junior person can achieve about 10 weekends off a year.
[Not trying to score points, just trying to give accurate information to potential colleagues]
I forgot to multiply by 2 for the wrap days in each season, so add 6 to my 52 to get your 58, agreed (or 56 if you choose to ignore the non assignable days before DFW).
Why you would wish to ignore them is another matter - whilst you cannot clash work using them (unlike wrap days) they can be useful, as can bidding for a sim check to start on a Monday, which gives you a protected, non operational, guaranteed day off on the Sunday before the simulator - another way of engineering another weekend day off. By requesting a 'late' sim detail, it effectively totally frees up the Sunday, and indeed that day can then be used for clashing work off the Saturday. With 2 sim checks per year you can achieve another 2 weekands (well at least Sundays) off each year.
I reckon that with prudent bidding, even the most junior person can achieve about 10 weekends off a year.
[Not trying to score points, just trying to give accurate information to potential colleagues]
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Reality check:
This sounds like a living nightmare. Have already lost track of all the TLAs.
As a potential DEP this thread makes me want to cancel my Assessment; it does, however, explain the stringent interview process.
I now understand that the aptitude required to determine November's sub-standard button production is the self same skill which will help me interpret my roster.
On the bright side, you are obviously so confident in your operational ability that you allow Corporate Politics to take centre stage on this forum.
My only question: can any of you honestly say you are working to live rather than living to work?
'Nestor
This sounds like a living nightmare. Have already lost track of all the TLAs.
As a potential DEP this thread makes me want to cancel my Assessment; it does, however, explain the stringent interview process.
I now understand that the aptitude required to determine November's sub-standard button production is the self same skill which will help me interpret my roster.
On the bright side, you are obviously so confident in your operational ability that you allow Corporate Politics to take centre stage on this forum.
My only question: can any of you honestly say you are working to live rather than living to work?
'Nestor
