Ryanair hires FAA/ US B737 Captains via Brooksfield (merged)

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

Yes.

[Aloue]

Leo the charitable

Hey there Leo ..... how helpful ...... can you just confirm again that you claim to be "just a line captain" with Ryanair?

This is the first sign we have seen from you of anything other than appeals to entirely selfish behaviour. So all one can say is "well done Leo". (I supose it would be uncharitable to wonder if you are on some kind of a commission?).

jimbaba be sure and do a search on this site for the many threads about Ryanair. Reading them carefully before heading over to MIA from SFO might save you a lot of time and money.

[One Step Beyond]

And while you're answering questions Leo, why don't you explain to us less clever beings than yourself how it is that the most successful airline in the USA managed that success while also being the most heavily unionsed airline in the USA?

[flat-tire]

Question: Why would someone with a US passport and FAA rated command time on a 737 wish to work for Ryanair?

Last time I checked Southwest, Continental, AirTran, FedEx, DHL, JAL (HAWAII AVIATION CONTRACT SERVICES) and UPS are all hiring. Plus I am pretty sure you don’t have to pay for your rating or sit through 14 grueling exams to gain employment.

What do I know? I’m just a pilot.

[eiriktheviking]

FAA Captains for Ryan

I have not seen any one say a word why they are recruiting for experienced Captains from the USA.
With aviation in EU being rather small versus the US, would it not be kind of hard finding guys that have got the experience to take the left seat right away. Have Ryan maybe had a hard time up-grading from within, with their high time FO's.
How many hours do you guys over in EU have before you upgrade. I believe it comes your way quicker than it does for the guys here in the US.
While United was still hiring I believe the hours for a White male to get on was just over 11000 total time, 5600 hours PIC on Part 121(B737, B727 DC9 or larger Jet) and 3 type ratings. Then after you get in you look at any where from 6 to 15 years before you upgrade. But, that is all about timing.
I have worked for a few US airlines and there have always been quite a few fellow Europeans at each place.
As the industry goes up and down, I have had to move around a little to put food on the table and provide for my family. I have done stints in Asia, Middle East and in Canada all with my "Worthless USA FAA Ticket". I believe in going where the job is to make a living, I will not pay for a type rating, or training, I never have and never will. So you guys that don’t like US FAA guys don't have to worry about me coming home to EU and corrupt your system with my experience.

Cheers

[skibeagle]

Erik, Ryan Air would rather bring in pilots with experience than promote their own FO's - it keeps the pool of available pilots bigger.

You are fortunate that you have been able to provide "food on the table for your family" without having to pay for a type rating. I'll bet they were thrilled to bits at the prospect of those major moves around the world while you decided to ditch family stability to pursue your selfless career goals.

You had an easy ride into the airline industry with your US right of abode (gained either through marriage or the Green Card lottery no doubt), and didn't "have" to return to Europe and the overkill of JAA licencing. Do not mistake your good fortune as some sort of superiority. Had you been dumped back into Scandinavia (with your worthless FAA ticket) in the early 1990's you too would have done anything to kick start your career. This is a statement of fact, not conjecture - am I wrong ? I don't think so. Your FAA licence would have been worthless in Sweden back then btw.

Be careful the stones you cast - fortune can be fickle.

[Arkroyal]

Red Baron,

Your maths are correct if the brit only wants to work in UK.

If he fancies a job elsewhere in Europe's free employment zone, mine are.

[essexboy]

Don't get me wrong, in spite of my banter, I welcome you guys from the us. God knows we need some pilots. That said we are failing scores of FOs on the command course and then we take direct entry captains that are not even familier with jaa ops let alone Ryanair SOPs. I flew with an FO recently that said he was coming up for command assesment. He said and I quote " I will do the course but I'm not expecting to pass. Nobody does do they". The problem is the command course is a test. its not training. Sort this out and the company can concentrate on taking on FOs that can expect a career rather than a short cut to building hour then moving on. Then perhaps we would have enough captains

[eiriktheviking]

LUCK!!!!!!!!!

LUCK I Would not know what that was, I did get married and 15 years later I still am to the same woman. Luck, DUDE that is rather funny. I have been at 3 Airlines that have gone Chapt 11/ Out of Business. Luck, Dear Skibeagle I have just been willing/stupid enough to keep at it. My family has been living at the same house and little town the whole time. I have missed out on time with my kids, but I have been making sure that they have what they need, food, house, private school. This has not been a career, just a bad habit.
Do not misunderstand me I love what I am doing; it is just that this business has got the biggest scumbag business men that the world has seen in it. They could make the boys at WorldCom and Enron look like Sunday school kids.

July 2001 AMR the AA, AE and Saber group parent company said they had about 17 Billion$ in cash. 6 months later 3 months after 9-11 they said they might have to file for Chapter 11 because they only had about 3 Billion $ left. To make 14 Billion $ disappear you have got to be pretty creative. Delta went out and bought Comair/ASA outright then turned around to the pilots and told them we are broke you need to take a pay cut. Well, they just blew all the cash reserve they had. We could go on, the fact is that last year and the year before there was record number of passenger traveling in the USA. Is it not strange that these Airlines are not making money? It is impossible to NonRev anymore because every flight is full.
Be glad that you guys are in EU, where there is stil some government control, where there is no free for all, for Executives to give them self hundreds of million of dollar's in bonuses for running an Airline in to the ground.
Sorry, did I ramble on about this unfair world.

At the last Airline that I was at that went Chapt11, I lost over 12.000$, with the 2 others it have in all cost me over 30.000$ and that was just money I was owed for services renderd/hours flown. I guess I am just not able to see the "LUCKY" part in it.

At this point I am back on the B727, I wanted to be Captain on it before it get's parked for good. I am not doing a career thing at this point, just doing something fun. It is rather hard pursuing a career at this time as a Pilot in the US, there is over 10.000 pilots laid off from the Major Airlines. LUCKY,, DUDE I just don't see it.

I still belive in going out there and getting your hours and experience, if Ryan is not able to upgrade their guy's would it not be more likley that they have a standard they try to keep. I doubt there is a EVIL plot keeping the boys with 1000-2000 hours raising the gear from making Command. SAFETY, I know it is hard to think of it, for the 2000 hour wonder that can smell the Left seat and its prestige.
I belive you guys can learn some thing from the US Captains, and when you guys are riding the highest on your EU horse, in the most inefficient Airspace in the world. Remember that the little B737"NG" that you are sitting in and the Jeppesen Approach plates you are using was all made by the Americans.

Cheers

[The Sandman]

All I can say guys is that I'm a transplant that has successfully jumped thru all the JAR licensing hoops, and I would not in any way recommend that any of my fellow countrymen grace the doorstep of Ryanair with your presence as a contractor. To do so would be aiding and abetting the greatest aviation career destruction machine since the likes of Lorenzo etc... In fact lovable old Frankie would most certainly cast a very admiring and envious eye this way across the pond at his fellow traveler over here. If you want hours and command time, Asia is the way to go. FR MAY cosy up to you in their hour of need, but Gawd help you should YOUR needs ever require any sort of reciprocation. Talk to any of the contractors from the last couple of seasons. Not a nice outfit to work for. They tell you straight up in their intro sessions that to FR, pilots are a hated breed. Nice little coercive bunch to gain rewarding employ with. Rots a ruck!

[Baron rouge]

Your maths are correct if the brit only wants to work in UK.

If he fancies a job elsewhere in Europe's free employment zone, mine are.

Totally wrong my dear ARKROYAL, to work as a contractor anywhere in EU the only language required is English.

For example: Canadian and Australian working for TAT (France) back in 1990, myself working last year in Italy and not able to speak a single world of Italian, than offered a job in Portugal without speaking the language either, same with friends working for VBird, Macedonia, Wizzair, etc...

in all these cases we French had to learn English, a Brit would have had nothing to do.

Now if you are talking about joining one of the Flag carrier EU nationals or Brits are at the same point, they need to know the language of that state... end of story.

[Arkroyal]

Nice to see that the moderator's manners leave yours in the shade, baron.

I am not interested in 'contract' work, but a level playing field for proper employment.

[Baron rouge]

Nice to see that the moderator's manners leave yours in the shade, baron.

???

I am not interested in 'contract' work, but a level playing field for proper employment.

Are you changing the rules as the game goes on ARKY ? You did not mention this point on your previous post, the thread is about Brookfield a well known agency, and believe me for those out of work...even a contract job is proper employment

But you probably never had to look elsewere for a Job.

But even for a proper job an EU national has to learn the foreign language +English as you have only to learn that foreign language, and when it is Ireland you don't even have to bother.

Understood this time ARKROYAL ?

[RobertFL]

Erictheviking

Eric
Your post is another arrogant yankee attitude ,I know such types like you cause I live now among selfish and arrogant yanks. Hopefully pretty soon back in europe.
PS
By the way world will still be around and sun will still be shining if usa wouldnt be here anymore

[DownIn3Green]

RobertFL

Those type of comments around a security checkpoint these days could land you in a heap of trouble...if you don't like the USA, I'm sure you know where the door is...

[eiriktheviking]

Robert FL

Dear RobertFL, How many American spells his name Eirik. This is the way it was spelled originally about 1300 years ago where I come from. Smiling Blond, Blue eyed you know the people that put the white in the British Isles over about 600 years of trying to learn the language. The Vikings where not bad guys just misunderstood, there was a language barrier.

My comment was to the many EU boys that just love to bash the Americans at every chance.
A good friend of mine told me a story. He was sitting in a bar with a British crew, the captain could not stop talking **** about the US and Americans. They did not know how to operate properly, did not know proper radio procedures, there was just not a single thing they knew to do right. So my friend asked him, what do you fly. OH, the B757 the Captain said very proud. So how is the 757? Well, it is just the best Aircraft ever made, the British Captain carried on. My Swedish friend then asked him, Who Makes that Aircraft. For the first time that evening the British Captain was out of words. There was no more US Bashing from the Captain that night.

The Americans came up with CRM for us, it was started at United. The Approach plates and maps most of us use all over the world, that is constantly improved on is from the US. I believe it now says Jeppesen a Boeing company. Boeing makes some very good Aircraft to. I believe more than 60% of all commercial aviation in the world is in North America.
I believe there is a good chance that we might all be talking German today if it was not for the Americans. Let’s not forget who our Friends are out in the world. Friends can have different opinions; even do things that we don't like.
RobertFL are you here in the US right now, there is room for you to here, and there is room for all kinds here. You must know that it is never a popular thing to criticize a county at war, it tend to keep people together.
Look what the Argentineans did when they attacked the Falklands, Argentina was at the brink of civil war, civil unrest because of politics and deteriorating living conditions in the country. They attacked the British and it unified the people in the country. I really admire the British for sailing half way around the world just to kick their ass. The British did not get the help of the US or other "Allies" because they did not agree with what they did at the time. The British flag is again flying in the Falklands and the rest is history.
Read this thread from the start and you will see all the negative comments about USA FAA Captains that might be heading for Ryan.

The US FAA system is not perfect, but it certainly more user friendly as far as getting a pilot license than it is in EU. JAR is kind of a joke to me. I have friends that have gone to Sweden and got their JAR License, and then when they got a job in Norway they had to take all the tests again. I thought JAR was there to standardize all the country’s so you could use your license in any of the member states.
I have worked all over this little world Far East, Middle East, Central Asia, South America, Caribbean, USA, Canada and EU. It is always interesting working at a new Airline different Country learning the different rules. To experience the different social/cultural aspects and to see how they affect the way we operate the big Jets.

I find it amusing RobertFL that you did not detect that I am a European.

Cheers EiriktheViking

[corklad]

here here eirik!!! finally someone said it how it truely is. i too am european and get really ticked off by all the english posts that are anti american and anti faa. they talk such drival and probably have never done anything other than a ppl or "heard from a bloke who did such and such" in the usa. it comes down to anti americanism more than anti faa but thats typical of the english these days, full of bleeding hearts and politically correct nonsense, untill something awful happens on their own door step. of course im not suggesting all brits are like that (that would be rather stupid), lots of good lads over there and pilots too!!!
but enough of the america bashing its quite tiresome and just because we think our collective **** dont stink because we have 14 jar exams id remind you all that you never have to do an atp checkride in some of the busiest airspace in the world and an oral exam that can last for days on end to get you atp ticket. there is no way you can comapre oxford or bristol to daytona beach itnl or LAX. only people who have gone through BOTH systems should critise! oh and if you think its tough learning to fly in the uk or the usa...try nav in canada in the bush....then you learn how to fly a god damn plane! faa is more practical and step by step orientated to get hours and experiance, jaa is way over the top to get you in a cockpit with 250hrs. both have their good points and bad points but at the end of the day it comes down to the guy or girl flying the damn plane that makes the difference. perhaps in the future you should look at the PILOT and not the system.
you can complain about the us making it almost impossible to get work there to protect there own pilots but how come our licensing dept will swap any eastern european or non-english eurozone country over the counter but if we go there we are told sorry you need to speak fluent german for example. just try showing up at air france or luftansa for instance and see what reaction you get. jaa or no jaa license. food for thought!

[Ignition Override]

Calm down folks.

US aviation can be a bit provincial with atc radio communications very clipped and abrupt, and it often uses non-standard terminology, which leaves much to be desired. Traffic flow control and movement per hour is the "altar' at which the FAA "worships", but controllers, in my opinion, are amazing and must be very flexible. Flying here can be very demanding and requires some very solid cross-country experience to keep track of weather (= fuel problems...) situations which often change very fast.

We made it north to Chicago O'Hare and back south today with no problem-our wx radar finally worked during climbout. I expected holding in the air inbound, and to later wait a long time on the taxiways, but outbound we shutdown an engine to save fuel and waited near runway 22L for only about 30 minutes! ATC really "busted their butts" to get planes to 27L and 22L and send them on their way. Two days ago we had no more than about 15 minutes of holding fuel and after first advising atc, soon requested a divert from south of DTW to TOL (not a company station: after just briefly calling the Tower guy while FO flew holding pattern, to clarify weather and runway length at TOL), but suddenly Approach said that they could get us into 03R at DTW! Superb, very flexible service from the ladies and gentlemen up there!

Our aviation environment seems designed only for efficiency-not to follow exact textbook terminology nor theory. This might be why major airlines have almost never hired pilots with only a few hundred hours; on the contrary, for the most part with 3,000-8,000 hours, except to fill or avoid court-imposed minority quotas (years ago at United), or during rare growth in the mid-60s. We have many pilots from other countries, but it seems to be a very small fraction. I enjoy learning about their backgrounds. Flew a while back with two Swedes and a Hungarian (had been a Navigator with Malev, then flew EMB-120 Brasilias with COMAIR here).

Aircraft manufacturers actually borrow or steal ideas from each other, and probably have since the beginning. Most of our Airbus pilots seem to really enjoy their planes, and so do Boeing pilots. Compared to the SweatPigs which I fly, the other fleets are better to work in, with much cooler temps and roomier.

[Boy]

Did this discussion not start out as an examination of Ryanair hiring practices?

[trainer too 2]

Ryanair prepairing for foreign pilots??

Are these two linked?? As somebody who doesn't trust MOL I would assume that an immigration specialist can do more then immigration issues for PAX in the EU.....

From the job section of FI.

737 Captains to fly in Europe
Miami Sim assessments/interviews


Quote: We already have a number of pilots booked into the simulator in Miami to be assessed and interviewed to join us to work in bases in Europe for Europe's largest and most succesfull low cost carrier.We still do however require a few more Captains current within the last 5 years on the 737 EFIS or N/G. Those Captains with experience only on the EFIS models of the 737 will benefit from moving on to the NG at no cost to themselves. Other very experienced Captains with time on other heavy jet aircraft will be offered the opportunity to take a self financed type rating courrse to fly the NG. All contracts offered are for a 5 year duration, and this opportunity offers the rare chance for Captains on this side of the Atlantic to fly and live in Europe. FAA licences are acceptable for initial validation and all pilots will need to work toward gaining their JAR licence which can be succesfully achieved within 6-9 months. Work permits can be granted and advise given on achieving this. We are looking for a large number of Captains at this stage - please note those who have already replied will be on the schedule and will be informed within the next 48 hours.

Immigration Manager – Stansted Based

Ryanair is Europe’s largest low fares airline with 229 low fare routes across 19 European countries. We have 13 European bases and with our fleet of over 100 new Boeing 737 aircraft we will carry 35 million passengers in the next 12 months.

We are looking for a highly motivated person who will assume responsibility for all passenger immigration requirements into each country that we operate.

You will need to be extremely organised, capable of working under pressure and to tight deadlines. Experience of a busy office environment would be helpful.

The ideal candidate will have to demonstrate:

* Knowledge of UK Immigration Regulations.
* Experience in dealing with Immigration Authorities
* Excellent Communication & Negotiation Skills
* Proven skills in staff training
* Proven Administrative & PC Skills
* Ability to work on own initiative
* Flexibility and ability to adapt to change quickly

Key functions of the job includes:

* Dissemination of information throughout our airport network for the purpose of avoiding carriage of incorrectly documented passengers
* Flight profiling for the prevention of carriage of incorrectly documented passengers.
* Management of Immigration Charge Data Base.
* Regular meetings with Immigration Authorities to resolve Immigration cases.