Airbus PM reads title of Normal Checklist?
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Airbus PM reads title of Normal Checklist?
I know it s small thing , but in your operation does the PM read the title of a Normal Checklist before launching into it ? or do they just launch into it straight away ?
eg PF "Approach checklist"
PM "Approach checklist , Briefing ?" OR
PM "Briefing"
Anything written on this ? Or thoughts?
eg PF "Approach checklist"
PM "Approach checklist , Briefing ?" OR
PM "Briefing"
Anything written on this ? Or thoughts?
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From: Seat 1A
To be technically correct, isn't it "Getting to grips with the non-essentials"?
or as Turning Final says...
Back to Pommie Land for a dose of ELP 6 for you, CA!
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I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't descended into the pedantry that sometimes accompanies these questions.
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From: Commuting not home
Mea culpa, you guys are right. I was trained to announce the C/L since the single engine piston days, but it is NOT written down.
FCTM > PRO > NOR > GEN > E: Use of Normal Checklist
FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > B: Checklist Callouts
FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > I: Summary for each phase
FCTM > PRO > NOR > GEN > E: Use of Normal Checklist
FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > B: Checklist Callouts
FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > I: Summary for each phase
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From: Commuting not home
Because I was wrong. The links are only provided for reference, so it is easier to make own conclusions for everyone. Three locations, and not a mention of the C/L title.
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow
I have flown for 3 airlines, all Airbus. After PF calls for the checklist, none of them call the Checklist title when reading the checklist by PM.
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's.
For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist?
I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read.
Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking?
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's.
For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist?
I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read.
Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking?
I also see skippers reading the title and then the wrong checklist but that's because they don't read it; Just repeat it after the PF called for it. Should not happen if the guy wait to actually identify the title in the checklist then read the items.
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From: FLXXX
When you say SOP, is it actually written in your manuals? Or, is it just a technique taught? Some people misinterpret technique for SOP.
My biggest issue is pilots calling check list items by memory, a very unprofessional trait where I’m working.
My biggest issue is pilots calling check list items by memory, a very unprofessional trait where I’m working.
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow
Yeah, it's written black and white in our SOP manual.
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Originally Posted by TPE Flyer
To the original poster, how about just read your airline's FCOM and follow it, instead of introducing procedures and techniques from other airlines and try to pass it off as SOP.
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From: Dunnunda
The reading of the title is a human factors thing. Even if you don’t read it, you do realise you’re a dill a lot earlier when you do start reading the incorrect checklist. In saying that, it’s also a good human factors thing when the other guy or gal gives you a funny look to tell you you are a dill. Nothing like some honest communication.
At the end of the day it’s how we use checklists which is the problem. Especially when they are repetitive, and youre doing 5 sectors in a duty. We just don’t do it well in many respects.
At the end of the day it’s how we use checklists which is the problem. Especially when they are repetitive, and youre doing 5 sectors in a duty. We just don’t do it well in many respects.
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I have flown for 3 airlines, all Airbus. After PF calls for the checklist, none of them call the Checklist title when reading the checklist by PM.
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's.
For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist?
I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read.
Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking?
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's.
For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist?
I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read.
Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking?
