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Old 8th Nov 2008, 12:14
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How does flying (ATC) + listening to music work?

I just heard you can listen to music while flying. I find that very important for me.

How does that work ? Will the headset (system) lower the volume of the music when ATC speaks to you?

Are there any headsets with "ducking" feature? That is lowering the volume of the music when ATC speaks to you.

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Never heard of someone doing that at work. And prohibited - at least at the comany I am working for. Personally I think it's unprofessional.

In fact - it cost some guy his job when he was cought by the check captain listening to music while flying the yearly line check (ok, it was one of many things that finally led to his dismissal).

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How would you do that? I know that you can tune the ADF to a music station. But that's mostly bad quality reception. You can use an mp3 player, but that's not really safe while also using atc, unless your name is Maverick and you fly F-14's in a movie.
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oh . Is it the same while training? I was thinking more while i'm hourbuilding during training. Maybe that's prohibited too?

My friend told me his friend had a headset and listened to music all the time while hourbuilding.

Maybe it's illegal, i'm not sure. You know better than me, that's why i'm asking

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I think you're talking about light aircraft - the guys in the Private Flying forum will have lots of good info for you.

I'm pretty sure there's a way of rigging up a music player which cuts out if there's R/T traffic. Failing that, as has been said, you can tune radio stations on the ADF. I spent many a VFR cross-country nav in the states with Arizona Gold on in the background - all the hits, no commercials!
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You obviously have not watched Iron Eagle recently, I cant fly unless I have Queen blasting away in the back ground.....
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Eikido, along with having some very extraordinary ideas and opinions about aeroplanes, I'm now getting alarmed at some of the things you are now saying. Are you really going to listen to Lordi or some other rubbish while you fly? I just hope I never have to share the same piece of sky as you! If this practice is going on, I suggest you should do far more useful things with your flying, like listening to the engine and ATC and concentrating on your flying, and save the music for other times!
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Such facilities are available, they are a function of the intercom system rather than headset though. A number of available GA boxs provide this.

Whether its a good idea to be using it if you are part of the flight crew is a totally different question.

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I wouldn't ever use one when operating a commercial flight in controlled airspace but I don't see any problems with going out into the open FIR, tuning into a quiet frequency and then conducting some aerobatics to your favourite piece of music!

eikido, the system cuts out the music completely when your radio ether Tx or Rx, so listening to it in busy airspace would be absolutly pointless anyway.
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Eikido -

As far as music, I would recommend Chopin, Brahms, or Liszt, for piano, or some piano concerto from Rachmaninoff. Maybe you could also take a keyboard with you, put airplane on autopilot, and practice piano playing.
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Alternatives, are (maybe) knitting socks, playing chess with ATC, I personally recommend you games of cards for convenience, besides playing the music. If you get bored, go jogging on the wing, but a parachute is suggested.
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Sorry Eikido, no experience with the above, but I am certain you should inquire for ATPL training at the Stockholm or Goteborg music academies.
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I have a Bosendorfer concert grand piano at home... nearly 100 years old, but I plan to update it with FMC to read the music. Just heavy to pack it with my flight kit.
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Happy contrails on a rhapsody...
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Across Africa MF from Italy is nice at 0200Z.
I have a nice list of music stations, for all-night flying, together with BBC news, quite enjoyable.
Also use the HF for aeronautical mobile contacts on the amateur radio bands...20 meters works good, most nights.
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Why are you all getting so angry at me, i'm just asking.
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It's not like that idiot teenager in the Iron Eagle movie who can only fly an F16 with hard rock through his earphones, flying is a potentially dangerous activity for you and others sharing the same airspace. Give aviation respect and you improve your chances. It is idiotic and irresponsible to fly with music. It really doesn't mix. The iPod generation doesn't seem to know it, but it has a real concentration problem. Give your flying your full attention and save the music to unwind with later!
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Rainboe: It is idiotic and irresponsible to fly with music. It really doesn't mix.

Depends what style of music you have; I recommend something electronic like 4/4 house or drum and bass for a good blend while flying, you don't have to think about the beats or time signature as much. It would be idiotic to try and mix electro with soul when flying, your beats would be all over the shop!
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This is a subject that I've given considerable thought to. I can't listen to music and do anything that requires real concentration. Even driving, I have to be very selective about the times that the radio goes on.


Shopping in a large store is a misery for me - if I have to listen to that liquid se that they pump out at their customers. However, some people are different. I would suggest that they have little appreciation for good music, and they just let the trivial dross flow past them unprocessed - at any significant level at least.


Flying takes concentration of a particular sort. Critical phases, we all know that if you have a moment to spare, you shouldn't have...but even in the cruise, part of the mind needs to continually be soaking up all the clues. Until you are experienced, that will mean not diverting your attention, however boring that bit of the flight seems.

Even when experienced, part of the mind has to be permanently open to the more obscure clues that might be a portent to aviation's gotchas. These become automatic to some extent, but this is where the difference in people starts to show. I really concentrate on music...it soaks up far too much of my tiny brain. Mind you, if I heard a 100 year old Bosendorfer, I would know it's thick and thunderous tones immediately. I pride myself that I would also know if it was in tune. Too much of a diversion for me.

I would suggest, that while learning, or in the early stages of professional flying, NO being tempted by entertainment devices of any sort. Even the time messing with it's controls, might be a moment you'd wish you hadn't.

The first time I can remember putting my head down into the office of my training aircraft, was nearly catastrophic. When I looked up, the tail of a Tri-Pacer went under me, close enough for the aerial to touch. I was under radar control, and they hadn't seen him. Concentrate, concentrate, concentrate, until you've developed a part of your brain that does it automatically.
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Devil ADF/HF freq

If it helps:


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Now, gentlemen, please be nice.
Eikido is an expert in asking unexpected questions somewhat related to aviation.
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His next question might be how to do birth control when joining the mile-high club.
Or maybe, how to get seaplane rating with a "underwater basket weaving degree".
I suspect he has a very high NAM/1000 in Aquavit at times.
Lean your mixture, dear Eikido...
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One of my co-workers was called on to the carpet for splicing his headset wire, affixing a plug and then attaching and listening to his iPod while flying. While our SOP's do not specifically say "no" (nor should they have to), I understand that when he left the DFO's office it was very clear to him...stop doing it or find a new job! This at a major airline.

For all the reason's stated by other's...not a good idea.
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Why are you all getting so angry at me, i'm just asking.??????????


I do NOT want you flying over my house while you are listening to music.
I have come close enough (geographically) to an 'unexpected' landing to realise you need all your senses concentrated on just keeping the thing in the air without the distraction of music.
If you cannot fly without your music then go as SLF.
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