How does flying (ATC) + listening to music work?
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As someone said Music is a great way to stay awake on long , long monitoring nights with nothing else to do. It was done for many years in flying and in ATC worldwide. No need to hide that.When in my centre in the 70's we were 3 guys on duty for a 10 hours shift with 10-20 aircrfat passing through in that period , music was welcome to keep us awake. A VHF call and you'll immediately put the volume down. We've all done that.
Now we have more than 1000 aircrfat passing through in those same 10 hours and the music is long , long gone.
Same I suppose on the A320 cockpit today .
But now, on a Dubai-Melbourne on a A340-600...
Now we have more than 1000 aircrfat passing through in those same 10 hours and the music is long , long gone.
Same I suppose on the A320 cockpit today .
But now, on a Dubai-Melbourne on a A340-600...
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The sound of music...
I only listened to music twice on a flight deck.
First time was many moons ago on an Airbus flight deck, operated by a charter Mexican airline. I was dead heading with them and went up front for a chat with the pilots, being acquainted with the F/O at the time. To my surprise they were listening some nice classical music on a portable CD-player and it remained on until we parked at the gate, albeit below 10.000ft on a very subtle volume. Didn't notice any disturbance that this might have caused and the PIC didn't pitch or roll the aircraft following the music's rhythm.
Second time was a couple of months ago while en route on a long x-country flight from Sao Paulo to Porto Seguro, on a Cirrus SR-22.
It has a system that allows an iPod/MP3 player to be connected via a line-in jack and the music is automatically suppressed anytime the ATC the frequency is busy. We were VMC all the time and it did not disturb me at all. Would not do it IMC or in busy airspace, though
As mentioned before, rules are for the guidance of wise...
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BF
First time was many moons ago on an Airbus flight deck, operated by a charter Mexican airline. I was dead heading with them and went up front for a chat with the pilots, being acquainted with the F/O at the time. To my surprise they were listening some nice classical music on a portable CD-player and it remained on until we parked at the gate, albeit below 10.000ft on a very subtle volume. Didn't notice any disturbance that this might have caused and the PIC didn't pitch or roll the aircraft following the music's rhythm.
Second time was a couple of months ago while en route on a long x-country flight from Sao Paulo to Porto Seguro, on a Cirrus SR-22.
It has a system that allows an iPod/MP3 player to be connected via a line-in jack and the music is automatically suppressed anytime the ATC the frequency is busy. We were VMC all the time and it did not disturb me at all. Would not do it IMC or in busy airspace, though
As mentioned before, rules are for the guidance of wise...
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Sorry nightfire, I am confused.
You say:
and then
So SOP's are fine to break just a little bit??
I have never thought about listening to music while I work, but I certainly don't see it as the evil that you guys seem to.
You say:
My ex-company stated very clearly in it's OM-A that "no non-flight related material may be read in the flight deck".
Reading a newspaper when there is time, ........ is acceptable.
I have never thought about listening to music while I work, but I certainly don't see it as the evil that you guys seem to.
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Of course you can listen to music in a car while driving! That's why they have radios in them as standard fit (even German cars!).
It doesn't really matter if you miss what the presenter is saying. When one misses an ATC / aircraft call however... It becomes another matter.
I certainly wouldn't be impressed by someone whipping out an iPod (or whatever) on the flight-deck. It would smack of an unprofessional attitude.
Nor would a student of mine be allowed to do so, while in the GF, or on a cross-country. In fact, I would tend toward a bit of disciplinary action if I were to find out about it.
BUT... Alone, out where there's no-one (yes ... there are lots of places like that where I am / fly), while gliding, or some other non-commercial operation, and there's nothing to say or hear on the radio... Go right ahead and listen to music. Just no Hip-Hop or Rap, 'coz it's simply bad taste to listen to that kind of stuff, and you know what a classy bunch we are.
Come now... Let's not be too anally retentive about this chaps.
It doesn't really matter if you miss what the presenter is saying. When one misses an ATC / aircraft call however... It becomes another matter.
I certainly wouldn't be impressed by someone whipping out an iPod (or whatever) on the flight-deck. It would smack of an unprofessional attitude.
Nor would a student of mine be allowed to do so, while in the GF, or on a cross-country. In fact, I would tend toward a bit of disciplinary action if I were to find out about it.
BUT... Alone, out where there's no-one (yes ... there are lots of places like that where I am / fly), while gliding, or some other non-commercial operation, and there's nothing to say or hear on the radio... Go right ahead and listen to music. Just no Hip-Hop or Rap, 'coz it's simply bad taste to listen to that kind of stuff, and you know what a classy bunch we are.
Come now... Let's not be too anally retentive about this chaps.
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Of course you can listen to music in a car while driving! That's why they have radios in them as standard fit (even German cars!).
Since when can't you listen to music in a car??
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I was asking rhetorically if people would also listen to their ipods while driving. Assuming that you understand what I meant (the point was, listening to music with headsets, thus locking out all other noise and reducing your concentration).
Nugpot, I wanted to point out that it's not about being an SOP-fetishist; you might also add that reading an aviation-magazine is flight-related and therefore in line with flight deck policies. Don't be ridiculous. The SOPs usually also say somewhere that they can not replace good judgement and common sense.
Listening to music inside the cockpit is dangerous and inacceptable for a professional company. In terms of "bending" the procedures, it is definitely going too far.
Go ahead and do so, if you like, but be ready to have a clever explanation when you get called to the office. I'm sure your Fleet Chief would tell you the same.
I used to listen to music when ferrying ag helicopters around between jobs, had a portable CD player wired up to my helmet (this was before mp3 players existed) - no radios installed in the first place so nothing to miss there, and not turned up so loud you can't hear everything else going on with the machine. No big deal...
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My 2 cents worth, from the many hours flying back of the clock 12 plus hour sectors in the less congested parts of the world, some low volume background music is actually very good at helping you stay awake and alert. I think that in that particular flying enviroment it actually contributes to flight safety. Its just a matter of applying a bit of common sense when to do it and when not to.
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If so, I wonder what you'd tell the police if they stopped and caught you with it.
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Nightfire;
Who said anything about wearing ear buds?, Speakers were developed a looooong time ago. You may have noticed them on the flight deck if indeed your a pilot.
Dude, you need to lighten up just a wee bit on the "Holier than thou" attitude. you might even learn a thing or two about a thing or two.
Who said anything about wearing ear buds?, Speakers were developed a looooong time ago. You may have noticed them on the flight deck if indeed your a pilot.
Dude, you need to lighten up just a wee bit on the "Holier than thou" attitude. you might even learn a thing or two about a thing or two.
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This is typical...
Alot of answers with no substance...Here's is how I do it1- FlightCom made a nice little intercom that you could hook your walkman directly into it...great for light aircraft without intercoms..2- In nicer equipment, I would run my IPOD nano, earbuds underneath my Bose Xs...volume on the music in the background, ATC loud enough to hear through the headsets.Single Pilot, Citation Ultra, FL450, listing to Jimi Hendrix to Red House. Pretty Cool.
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I'm still trying to get my head around a learner having to have music whilst flying. It says to me perhaps another career would be adviseable?
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And I'm tired of reading stupid posts by people who are pretending to be a commercial pilot giving uninformed opinion on something they obviously know nothing about.
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While I tend to agree with rainbow's last post, I have had a FO ask me if it was ok to listen to his iPod on a long night flight, and I simply told himit was ok, as long as he didn't miss any calls by ATC. He missed no more than the rest of us tend to do, and I was fine with it. Another guy would ask if it is ok to read the paper or whatever, and that is just as fine, as long as general vigilance is not impaired too much.
Everyone has their own way of survivng the long nights awake, be it looking at stars or reading or whatever.
For me music doesn't work too well, even though an occasional well chosen song someone played on 123.45 on the Atlantic was quite romantic.
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Everyone has their own way of survivng the long nights awake, be it looking at stars or reading or whatever.
For me music doesn't work too well, even though an occasional well chosen song someone played on 123.45 on the Atlantic was quite romantic.
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I used to enjoy listening to the cricket that was being transmitted some incredible distances on a local AM radio station while I was learning to fly. Espeically as it was during an Ashes series and the better side *cough Australia cough* were thrashing the poms.
Now I use a Lightspeed Zulu headset and plug in my iPod with music playing from taxi to shutdown. It has the option of muting the music during ATC transmissions or anything coming over the intercom (which catches you out if you start singing and the music dies). Personally though I find that feature frustrating and instead spend a bit of time setting up the volumes so that ATC / intercom comes through loud and clear with the music as a pleasant background. I've yet to find a time when I've needed to pull the plug and cease the music altogether, although running out of batteries in you'r iPod during a long sector once you're used to it incredibly frustrating.
Now I use a Lightspeed Zulu headset and plug in my iPod with music playing from taxi to shutdown. It has the option of muting the music during ATC transmissions or anything coming over the intercom (which catches you out if you start singing and the music dies). Personally though I find that feature frustrating and instead spend a bit of time setting up the volumes so that ATC / intercom comes through loud and clear with the music as a pleasant background. I've yet to find a time when I've needed to pull the plug and cease the music altogether, although running out of batteries in you'r iPod during a long sector once you're used to it incredibly frustrating.
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I think some people are getting alot more uptight than this question called for.
Whilst I don’t consider myself an 'old hat' in this business I have been a professional pilot for some time now.
I fly for a company specializing in airborne survey operations. We have a very nice system integrated into the aircraft’s intercom. We plug in an MP3 player into the system, which plays music into all of the connected headsets but cuts out if any of the crew talk, or a radio transmission is received.
Obviously the system is switched off during critical phases of flight but in my experience having the music is VERY MUCH appreciated during the long hours of surveying a large area. I don’t think it affects my, or any of my crews concentration in fact I think it actually helps us stay alert during the longer sorties.
I honestly don’t see how a system like this, if used properly, can possibly affect safety in a negative way?
Whilst I don’t consider myself an 'old hat' in this business I have been a professional pilot for some time now.
I fly for a company specializing in airborne survey operations. We have a very nice system integrated into the aircraft’s intercom. We plug in an MP3 player into the system, which plays music into all of the connected headsets but cuts out if any of the crew talk, or a radio transmission is received.
Obviously the system is switched off during critical phases of flight but in my experience having the music is VERY MUCH appreciated during the long hours of surveying a large area. I don’t think it affects my, or any of my crews concentration in fact I think it actually helps us stay alert during the longer sorties.
I honestly don’t see how a system like this, if used properly, can possibly affect safety in a negative way?
