Log book question
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From: land of the long BLUE cloud
There is a huge difference here between Aviation Authorites and Airlines form a recruiting point of view.
My advice is... On your CV dont show PIC on any aircraft you havent sat in the left seat of. I have heard of several instances of pilots claiming X000 hours PIC on a type they have never qualified as commander! Some even use it as evidence for DEC applications. Why dont all logbooks have a 'Command Practice' column like some countries (NZ/AUS) so it clears all this confusion up. Perhaps the spare column should be used for this, but PICUS still going in the copilot totals.
It seems daft to me to log Command time on something you arent qualified as. Can all Boeing time be logged as B744?
My advice is... On your CV dont show PIC on any aircraft you havent sat in the left seat of. I have heard of several instances of pilots claiming X000 hours PIC on a type they have never qualified as commander! Some even use it as evidence for DEC applications. Why dont all logbooks have a 'Command Practice' column like some countries (NZ/AUS) so it clears all this confusion up. Perhaps the spare column should be used for this, but PICUS still going in the copilot totals.
It seems daft to me to log Command time on something you arent qualified as. Can all Boeing time be logged as B744?
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From: London
According to our company OM part D (JAA but non-UK) one is allowed to log PICUS only when flying with a training captain after specific experience requirements are met
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Friend of mine with a now defunct 737 operator had 6000 hours as first officer. Whenever it was "his leg" most times the check captain would swop seats and let him operate from the LH seat and fly ICUS. He placed that in the PIC column without any requirement to have the captain sign his log book entry. When the airline went tits up, he got a job in India as an direct entry command on the 737 and has never looked back. The Indian CAA apparently didn't look too closely at his log book as they assumed his ICUS time was real PIC - and who was he to contradict them?
The moral of the story is you should log as many hours ICUS as possible as it could one day get you a captain's job in a third world country.
The moral of the story is you should log as many hours ICUS as possible as it could one day get you a captain's job in a third world country.
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Sounds rather bizarre and illegal to me. Surely to operate in the 'other' seat (be it right or left), you have to have conducted EFATO drills from that seat in order to be sit there?
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From: land of the long BLUE cloud
I agree topbunk. And I would suggest the individual concerned may be in deep **** when his logbook was analysed after a serious incident or accident. An insurance company could refuse paying on the strength of that alone IMHO.
Craggenmore I agree. But many individuals choose to add this figure into Command totals. And I know many non-UK airlines wont consider this as any more than FO time, because of the dubious rule interpretation by various airlines / authorities.
The ICUS label is daft anyway, because you are no more 'in command' than the pax in 26D, the way the law sees it.
Craggenmore I agree. But many individuals choose to add this figure into Command totals. And I know many non-UK airlines wont consider this as any more than FO time, because of the dubious rule interpretation by various airlines / authorities.
The ICUS label is daft anyway, because you are no more 'in command' than the pax in 26D, the way the law sees it.
