New Boeing 737 Procedures?
Joined: Oct 2001
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From: Australia.
I know what he's talking about. Boeing have decided to make the B737 operation more like the other types they make.
As a result all the checklists have changed completely, both normal and (soon to come) non-normal. Areas of responsibility have dramatically changed. For example the first officer now sets up the overhead panel during the pre-flight checks. The captain does all the control checks at the gate and sets the trim.
It really is a major overhaul of everything we do and who does what when.
These new procedures come into effect later this week for our company. Should be interesting.
Don't worry. It comes with instructions!
As a result all the checklists have changed completely, both normal and (soon to come) non-normal. Areas of responsibility have dramatically changed. For example the first officer now sets up the overhead panel during the pre-flight checks. The captain does all the control checks at the gate and sets the trim.
It really is a major overhaul of everything we do and who does what when.
These new procedures come into effect later this week for our company. Should be interesting.
Don't worry. It comes with instructions!
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: Earth
737 study material
Very interesting information.
Do you know if it is possible to find some material of these new changes on the internet ? Is it only company related, or is going to be introduced in all airlines ?
Thank you.
Do you know if it is possible to find some material of these new changes on the internet ? Is it only company related, or is going to be introduced in all airlines ?
Thank you.
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From: Europe-the sunshine side
indeed,major change is the area of responsability for the cpt/fo also
for pf/pm. We started using this,on the NG's only,cause ,for the moment they've changed only the NG fcom's. For the moment they also retained the former normal procedures,whih we'll be removed at the next amendament of the manuals.
As said before,the cpt items are :ox mask,his side of the displays with stby also,throttle console and communication pannel.
Everything else is in FO area of responsability.
Also some terminology changes ,as N1 is now Climb thrust ,or bug up is now flaps up speed.
For start the FO is positioning eng start swtc on grd,..etc
After start,the checks are 'before taxi'checks, and include almost everything.....flaps,controls (done by the cpt),transponder ..
And some other changes....
And some other changes to come...you can check all this on www.myboeingfleet.com.
They'll probably make a qrh for all types in operation.This is done in order to insure commonality between types.
Brgds
Alex
for pf/pm. We started using this,on the NG's only,cause ,for the moment they've changed only the NG fcom's. For the moment they also retained the former normal procedures,whih we'll be removed at the next amendament of the manuals.
As said before,the cpt items are :ox mask,his side of the displays with stby also,throttle console and communication pannel.
Everything else is in FO area of responsability.
Also some terminology changes ,as N1 is now Climb thrust ,or bug up is now flaps up speed.
For start the FO is positioning eng start swtc on grd,..etc
After start,the checks are 'before taxi'checks, and include almost everything.....flaps,controls (done by the cpt),transponder ..
And some other changes....
And some other changes to come...you can check all this on www.myboeingfleet.com.
They'll probably make a qrh for all types in operation.This is done in order to insure commonality between types.
Brgds
Alex
Adapt, survive 
Joined: Apr 2005
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From: Australia
Maybe the time has arrived for the copilot's union to demand a new EBA based upon demonstrated huge increase in workload and responsibility for actions that used to be the captains scan - overhead panels, starting engines etc?
Funny thing is that years ago there was a great hoohaa against captains who worked on the principle that there was a line down the cockpit where the captain did his things and the copilot did his things and never the twain shall meet. Then came CRM warm and fuzzies and sharing of problems and invitations to partake in each other's side of cockpit drills.
Now the wheel has turned full circle and each pilot has his own line down the middle of cockpit all over again, sanctioned by Boeing. It is called Areas of Responsibility.
Funny thing is that years ago there was a great hoohaa against captains who worked on the principle that there was a line down the cockpit where the captain did his things and the copilot did his things and never the twain shall meet. Then came CRM warm and fuzzies and sharing of problems and invitations to partake in each other's side of cockpit drills.
Now the wheel has turned full circle and each pilot has his own line down the middle of cockpit all over again, sanctioned by Boeing. It is called Areas of Responsibility.
Joined: Apr 2005
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From: Southeast USA
The procedures may be recommendations and nothing more -- but I would suspect this might be true only until something happens and the lawyers get involved. My attitude is that its a heck of way to have to fly, but it sure beets the alternative; and if I really wanted to do things the way I wanted to do them, I'd go off and start my own operation (yeah, right!)
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Europe
It's the opposite way. Airlines approach Boeing because the airlines fly the plane - Boeing builds the plane. So if the airlines figure a different or better way to get something done (flows, etc.), they approach Boeing with it. I believe a lot of input is coming from Continental actually. The flows mentioned above seem to pretty much match CAL's procedures.
