BA 747 divert to Irkutsk after nav system fails
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An unusual task for systems managers.
This event will have been a nice change from a routine flight.
A bit of genuine hand flying.
I love the cracked paving and weeds in the pictures.
This event will have been a nice change from a routine flight.
A bit of genuine hand flying.
I love the cracked paving and weeds in the pictures.
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They probably could have found their way, without the NAV, but the argument could be made nowadays, that losing the NAV could be a symptom of problems yet to be noticed or to come, in other important electronic equipment on the aircraft, so I give them them a pass. I'm sure they are relieved to hear that!!!
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Those pictures of a 17 year old BA 747 stuck on a weed infested cracked runway in Siberia are a PR man's nightmare.
If we spool back to the days of Lord King v Branson he tried to sell the idea that Virgin would operate old unreliable aircraft.
Eddie Stobart does not operate 17 year old trucks and I guess most people on here don't drive 17 year old cars. There is only so much you can do to a 1970's design before things start to go wrong.
If the age of ever commercial aircraft was emblazoned on the side how many passengers would board an elderly airframe
If we spool back to the days of Lord King v Branson he tried to sell the idea that Virgin would operate old unreliable aircraft.
Eddie Stobart does not operate 17 year old trucks and I guess most people on here don't drive 17 year old cars. There is only so much you can do to a 1970's design before things start to go wrong.
If the age of ever commercial aircraft was emblazoned on the side how many passengers would board an elderly airframe
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"If the age of ever commercial aircraft was emblazoned on the side how many passengers would board an elderly airframe"
Oh yeah, I do feel much safer in a 3 month old Lionair 737-900 than I do on a 17 year old BA 744
Oh yeah, I do feel much safer in a 3 month old Lionair 737-900 than I do on a 17 year old BA 744
Despite being without NAV they managed to avoid the schoolyard AND the hospital, so no probs.
EE cooling failure!!
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Indeed, and as far as I recall it for very good reasons (you may end up with equipment overheating) if the QRH actions don't immediately resolve the issue then it becomes a "land at nearest suitable", regardless of the crew's navigational skills.
Indeed, and as far as I recall it for very good reasons (you may end up with equipment overheating) if the QRH actions don't immediately resolve the issue then it becomes a "land at nearest suitable", regardless of the crew's navigational skills.
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Initial information incorrect see here: -
Incident: British Airways B744 near Irkutsk on Aug 28th 2013, avionics overtemperature
Incident: British Airways B744 near Irkutsk on Aug 28th 2013, avionics overtemperature
A British Airways Boeing 747-400, registration G-CIVI performing flight BA-39 from London Heathrow,EN (UK) to Beijing (China) with 289 people on board, was enroute at FL390 about 300nm eastsoutheast of Irkutsk (Russia) in Mongolian Airspace when the crew reported an overtemperature indication for the avionics and decided to divert to Irkutsk. The aircraft landed safely on Irkutsk's runway 30 about 50 minutes later.
Russia's Emergency ministry initially said the commander reported the avionics had failed but later corrected to say the avionics had overheated.
Russia's Emergency ministry initially said the commander reported the avionics had failed but later corrected to say the avionics had overheated.
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We'll have to see what the outcome is but the bottom line is BA are out to milk the last drops out of their aircraft.
Compared to Ryanair.
The cabins in the BA 747 fleet are tired as are the airframes.
Hire cars are restricted to 15000 miles.
BA are running an old fleet like a lot of the flag carriers.
Compared to Ryanair.
As of July 2013, the average age of the Ryanair fleet is 4.9 years.
Hire cars are restricted to 15000 miles.
BA are running an old fleet like a lot of the flag carriers.
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The cabins in the BA 747 fleet are tired as are the airframes.
Hire cars are restricted to 15000 miles.
Hire cars are restricted to 15000 miles.
BA are running an old fleet like a lot of the flag carriers.
Airbus A318 2 3.8 years On 19 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 5
Airbus A319 44 11.4 years On 129 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 109
Airbus A320 47 7.7 years On 229 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 110
Airbus A321 18 7.6 years On 65 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 25
Boeing 737 19 20.7 years On 272 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 93
Boeing 747 52 18.4 years On 92 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 39
Boeing 767 21 20.2 years On 97 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 61
Boeing 777 52 12.2 years On 64 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 53
TOTAL 255 13.4 years The calculation of the fleet age can be approximated because it is only based on the supported aircraft
Airbus A319 44 11.4 years On 129 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 109
Airbus A320 47 7.7 years On 229 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 110
Airbus A321 18 7.6 years On 65 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 25
Boeing 737 19 20.7 years On 272 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 93
Boeing 747 52 18.4 years On 92 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 39
Boeing 767 21 20.2 years On 97 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 61
Boeing 777 52 12.2 years On 64 airlines operating this type of aircraft British Airways ranks 53
TOTAL 255 13.4 years The calculation of the fleet age can be approximated because it is only based on the supported aircraft
It's only old compared to exceptional cases like Singapore and QATAR. Even Cathay fly some pretty legacy wide bodies having the first build B777s and A330s. The B767s are an issue as they're supposed to be well on their way out as the B787s are late.
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Those old 74's have seen better days. They are jaded and odd ball failures are bound to occur.
Continue flying across potentially unknown territory in a 747 using a map and a Boy Scout compass ? I don't think so - unless absolutely no option.
I know insufficient about the -400, ( even less about the cause of this one - thinks.... does anyone else ! ) but ....en route London/ Bahrain I had 2 INS units fail on a 747 Classic within the space of 5 minutes, and had dumped fuel and was on the ground in Frankfurt very soon afterwards.
The LH mechanic assigned to look after us was very miffed, it being Saturday night and he was now going to be late for his party, "Why didn't you go back to London? " was his complaint. Because the INS units drive my flight instruments, I replied, it's snowing in London and I don't fancy trying to fly an ILS approach to minima on standby instruments. 2 Units have failed in quick succession, how long before the third (and last) unit goes tits up too ? I'm down here wishing I was up there, instead of being up there wishing I was down here - fix the problem.
He did, and we were airborne again not long afterwards.
If correspondents think they can outguess the operating crew - - - no, I'll go back to my cave.
I'm sure you'll all sort it out.
I know insufficient about the -400, ( even less about the cause of this one - thinks.... does anyone else ! ) but ....en route London/ Bahrain I had 2 INS units fail on a 747 Classic within the space of 5 minutes, and had dumped fuel and was on the ground in Frankfurt very soon afterwards.
The LH mechanic assigned to look after us was very miffed, it being Saturday night and he was now going to be late for his party, "Why didn't you go back to London? " was his complaint. Because the INS units drive my flight instruments, I replied, it's snowing in London and I don't fancy trying to fly an ILS approach to minima on standby instruments. 2 Units have failed in quick succession, how long before the third (and last) unit goes tits up too ? I'm down here wishing I was up there, instead of being up there wishing I was down here - fix the problem.
He did, and we were airborne again not long afterwards.
If correspondents think they can outguess the operating crew - - - no, I'll go back to my cave.
I'm sure you'll all sort it out.