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"The Ryanair 737 was carrying 300 people from Limoges in France to Leeds Bradford, the highest altitude airport in Britain"
Another Accurate aviation report in the new headlines...
Another Accurate aviation report in the new headlines...
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Surprised no-one has picked this one up yet:
Terror as plane lands sideways | World | News | Daily Express
300 pax in a 737??
Terror as plane lands sideways | World | News | Daily Express
300 pax in a 737??
On the other hand, this is the Daily Express ...
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There's no rudder deflection. Don't they teach how to kick off drift these days?
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TT, my point is that that landing demonstrated exactly the opposite, a lack of assertive flying.
Assertive flying would surely involve making the aeroplane do what you wanted it to do, ie getting on the centreline and kicking off at least some of the drift (but why not all of it - it isn't hard) instead of just accepting a horribly clumsy, inelegant and rather brutal off centreline landing with a big off-axis heading.
Not to mention avoiding much unwanted publicity by doing something that looks hair raising even though it isn't hazardous when you have an alternative.
Assertive flying would surely involve making the aeroplane do what you wanted it to do, ie getting on the centreline and kicking off at least some of the drift (but why not all of it - it isn't hard) instead of just accepting a horribly clumsy, inelegant and rather brutal off centreline landing with a big off-axis heading.
Not to mention avoiding much unwanted publicity by doing something that looks hair raising even though it isn't hazardous when you have an alternative.
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Answer, you have no idea. You comment was unwarranted.
I have lost count of the number of pilots I have 'base-trained' on the Airbus family. I think I know how to land an aircraft in a cross-wind and, it seems, know how to teach them.
On the day in question, there was a huge westerly over LBA (it's on a hill and gusts are not the issue) and people were having difficulty.
If you imagine, for a second, there would need any neutralising the rudder (for your 'gust') you are a dreamer. Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach and after touch-down would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq. The rudder would need a very great deal of application throughout.
QED
(By the way: you might like to re-visit your punctuation).
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How many times do we need to point out "children of the magenta" was a presentation about choosing an appropriate level of automation for your phase of flight. It had nothing to do with manual flying skills or experience levels.
Whilst the Ryanair may not have used a textbook technique here, I'd love to see some of the armchair critics take on the approach at Leeds on a day like that!
Whilst the Ryanair may not have used a textbook technique here, I'd love to see some of the armchair critics take on the approach at Leeds on a day like that!
No rudder deflection. Probably because the photo is of a Ryanair 737 on the taxiyway to the east of the 05 threshold at STN!!
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On the day in question, there was a huge westerly over LBA (it's on a hill and gusts are not the issue) and people were having difficulty.
Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach... would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq
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for interests sake, 80mph = 69.8 kts or thereabouts.
Anyone have a METAR for the approximate arrival time ... out of interest ?
Anyone have a METAR for the approximate arrival time ... out of interest ?
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Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach and after touch-down would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq. The rudder would need a very great deal of application throughout
There are many different ways to skin a cat. In this case the aeroplane landed safely in tricky conditions. Why the fuss?
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The winds up here yesterday were worse than the day before when several flights diverted elsewhere - one after eight laps of the hold. I didn't have internet access yesterday so wasn't able to see what the winds were. Someone I know was on that Ryanair flight and, knowing the media's embroidery skills, I asked him about it and was told that they were swung from side to side quite a bit and that there was an element of the passengers who screamed but he felt that it was understandable if they were of a highly nervous disposition. The flight landed at the first attempt.
The problem with Yeadon is that there is no longer the second runway which was very often the one facing into wind. It was a bad day when they got rid of it. The local topography is such that only rarely does 14/32 face into wind, there is usually a fair degree of crosswind. A friend who flew in and out of there on a regular basis said that he became so used to performing crosswind landings that he almost had to think hard to stop himself preparing for one when faced with a nice, normal into wind approach.
The problem with Yeadon is that there is no longer the second runway which was very often the one facing into wind. It was a bad day when they got rid of it. The local topography is such that only rarely does 14/32 face into wind, there is usually a fair degree of crosswind. A friend who flew in and out of there on a regular basis said that he became so used to performing crosswind landings that he almost had to think hard to stop himself preparing for one when faced with a nice, normal into wind approach.