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Anybody know what the x-wind component was at time of landing. X-wind limit dry, on the 738W, I think, is 33kts? No last min. de-crab to be seen on the pic's. Still, no big deal. On a wet runway , maybe!!! What's the fuss?
I don't use the term "kick off the drift" - I prefer "straighten the aircraft (with runway) with appropriate rudder.
Of course as we all know from Effect of Controls the further effect of rudder is roll so as you apply rudder you are simultaneously applying into wind aileron to keep the wings level.
Hint - if you're going to make any mistakes err on the side of too much into wind aileron.
An on limits crosswind landing is an advanced flying manoeuvre and takes practice to do confidently and proficiently.
Of course as we all know from Effect of Controls the further effect of rudder is roll so as you apply rudder you are simultaneously applying into wind aileron to keep the wings level.
Hint - if you're going to make any mistakes err on the side of too much into wind aileron.
An on limits crosswind landing is an advanced flying manoeuvre and takes practice to do confidently and proficiently.
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Whats more the pictures used in both the Express and Daily mail are of a RYR plane landing in LBA nearly 2 years ago.
For one thing the landing aircraft in the mail is landing on RW32 we were using RW14 all day that day.
Anyway why let the facts get in the way of a good story.
For one thing the landing aircraft in the mail is landing on RW32 we were using RW14 all day that day.
Anyway why let the facts get in the way of a good story.
It looks to me as though it de-crabs AFTER touchdown, not before. Landing with the aircraft not pointing along the centreline means that the undercarriage legs are being stressed in a direction that was not intended (i.e. not along the aircraft centreline) should they collapse I imagine there would be a fuss, hence the discussion.
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300 pax in a 737??
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@MPH dunno what crosswind limits for landing ryan air uses, only just what we use. Both on wet and dry runways for landing the allowed crossind limit for our 800W/700W is 40kts, 20 on standing water, 35 on not melting snow and 17 on not melting ice. Take off limits are different and make indeed a differentiation between winglets or no winglets (34kts with, 36 without), those are driven my Vmcg concerns on narrow runways.
The 737 is designed to be landed in crab up to the maximum crosswind landing, however it is not recommended on dry runways as the chance on leaving the runway is pretty high. The autopilot does have a rudder channel, most companies didn't buy the required actuator though and therefore have to live with lower crosswind limits, still only 25kts on those with the rudder actuator.
The 737 is designed to be landed in crab up to the maximum crosswind landing, however it is not recommended on dry runways as the chance on leaving the runway is pretty high. The autopilot does have a rudder channel, most companies didn't buy the required actuator though and therefore have to live with lower crosswind limits, still only 25kts on those with the rudder actuator.
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Back in my days with XL I landed at Luton in a very blustery crosswind, it was a normal Boeing landing with quite a lot of drift to kick off but otherwise unremarkable.
Three hours later the phone rang and it was one of the directors who asked me if there had been a problem with the landing, apparently the daughter ( a lawyer) of two elderly Passengers had called accusing the airline of all sorts of malpractice and endangering her parents ( one who of course had the mandatory heart condition).
I put the journalists and lawyers in the same box.........those who won't let the truth get in the way of making a quick buck !
Three hours later the phone rang and it was one of the directors who asked me if there had been a problem with the landing, apparently the daughter ( a lawyer) of two elderly Passengers had called accusing the airline of all sorts of malpractice and endangering her parents ( one who of course had the mandatory heart condition).
I put the journalists and lawyers in the same box.........those who won't let the truth get in the way of making a quick buck !
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Sensationalist Tabloid ClapTrap! If it hadn`t been Ryanair, it wouldn`t be in the news! Been in way more sideways approaches and landings, mind casts back to Sumburgh in Shetland in the 90`s, SD3-60, sat under the wing looking along the wing at the runway - awesome, most other passengers were more alarmed. You haven`t flown till you`ve crosswind landed! 
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Even the Sunday Telegraph has got in on the act. In it's column "The Week That Was" it features a picture of what is clearly a Dash 800 turboprop with caption "Crab landing: a Ryanair plane is blown off course by strong winds as it lands - safely - at Leeds Bradford Airport on Wednesday". Now I always understood that Ryanair was an all Boeing fleet. Lazy journalism at its best.
