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Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:30
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"The Ryanair 737 was carrying 300 people from Limoges in France to Leeds Bradford, the highest altitude airport in Britain"

Another Accurate aviation report in the new headlines...
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:30
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Pictures in the Telegraph this morning. Delivered at 07.30.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:37
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Surprised no-one has picked this one up yet
Yes, it would have been surprising if they hadn't.

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:37
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Originally Posted by coatimundi View Post
Surprised no-one has picked this one up yet:

Terror as plane lands sideways | World | News | Daily Express

300 pax in a 737??
The article is credited to one Paul Jeeves who must be an unpaid intern or somesuch. No professional journalist would come up with such complete and utter drivel, let alone fail to check such basic facts as aircraft capacity.

On the other hand, this is the Daily Express ...
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:47
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Also, plus, as well :

There's no rudder deflection. Don't they teach how to kick off drift these days?
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 17:04
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I have flown with Captains (Not in SAS), who rests their feet so heavily on the pedals, that I could not use the rudder to reduce the crab angle.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 17:42
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Ryanair B738 with 300 passengers

Sounds like a wet dream for MO'L!

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 17:55
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There's no rudder deflection. Don't they teach how to kick off drift these days?
A photo takes an instant image. How do you know that at that instant the rudder was not moving from one extreme to the other due to gusts. Answer, you have no idea. You comment was unwarranted.

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:20
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a) it certainly landed sideways
b) not sure my airbus could do that
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:20
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Surprised no-one has picked this one up yet:
Actually, your's is the third thread on the subject!
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:23
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Answer, you have no idea. You comment was unwarranted.
Thank you for your considered remarks.

I have lost count of the number of pilots I have 'base-trained' on the Airbus family. I think I know how to land an aircraft in a cross-wind and, it seems, know how to teach them.

On the day in question, there was a huge westerly over LBA (it's on a hill and gusts are not the issue) and people were having difficulty.

If you imagine, for a second, there would need any neutralising the rudder (for your 'gust') you are a dreamer. Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach and after touch-down would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq. The rudder would need a very great deal of application throughout.

QED

(By the way: you might like to re-visit your punctuation).
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:34
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How many times do we need to point out "children of the magenta" was a presentation about choosing an appropriate level of automation for your phase of flight. It had nothing to do with manual flying skills or experience levels.

Whilst the Ryanair may not have used a textbook technique here, I'd love to see some of the armchair critics take on the approach at Leeds on a day like that!
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:37
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No rudder deflection. Probably because the photo is of a Ryanair 737 on the taxiyway to the east of the 05 threshold at STN!!

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 18:44
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On the day in question, there was a huge westerly over LBA (it's on a hill and gusts are not the issue) and people were having difficulty.
Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach... would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq
Do enlighten us...

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 19:14
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for interests sake, 80mph = 69.8 kts or thereabouts.
Anyone have a METAR for the approximate arrival time ... out of interest ?

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Old 19th Apr 2013, 19:28
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I too am interested in this constant rudder deflection concept!

Please enlighten me.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 19:31
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Neutralising the rudder at any time on the approach and after touch-down would result in the A/c departing the C/L pdq. The rudder would need a very great deal of application throughout
And yet the photos show the aeroplane landing with level wings, de-crabbing on touchdown as per the Boeing FCTM, and then tracking the centreline. I don't quite understand your 'holier-than-thou' criticism Mr Yaeger.

There are many different ways to skin a cat. In this case the aeroplane landed safely in tricky conditions. Why the fuss?
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 20:40
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The winds up here yesterday were worse than the day before when several flights diverted elsewhere - one after eight laps of the hold. I didn't have internet access yesterday so wasn't able to see what the winds were. Someone I know was on that Ryanair flight and, knowing the media's embroidery skills, I asked him about it and was told that they were swung from side to side quite a bit and that there was an element of the passengers who screamed but he felt that it was understandable if they were of a highly nervous disposition. The flight landed at the first attempt.
The problem with Yeadon is that there is no longer the second runway which was very often the one facing into wind. It was a bad day when they got rid of it. The local topography is such that only rarely does 14/32 face into wind, there is usually a fair degree of crosswind. A friend who flew in and out of there on a regular basis said that he became so used to performing crosswind landings that he almost had to think hard to stop himself preparing for one when faced with a nice, normal into wind approach.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 21:24
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Anybody know what the x-wind component was at time of landing. X-wind limit dry, on the 738W, I think, is 33kts? No last min. de-crab to be seen on the pic's. Still, no big deal. On a wet runway , maybe!!! What's the fuss?
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 21:34
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I don't use the term "kick off the drift" - I prefer "straighten the aircraft (with runway) with appropriate rudder.

Of course as we all know from Effect of Controls the further effect of rudder is roll so as you apply rudder you are simultaneously applying into wind aileron to keep the wings level.

Hint - if you're going to make any mistakes err on the side of too much into wind aileron.

An on limits crosswind landing is an advanced flying manoeuvre and takes practice to do confidently and proficiently.
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