A PPRuNe FUND - To assist pilots and would be pilots to achieve their goal
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GA: decent principle, however awaste of money from our perspective as RAF does advance aptitude tests for all 3 services. You can do these from ages 16 -21 without having to sit the OASC commissioning Board. Just 1 day of aptitude tests, and is done free to the individual. Besides, the principle here is that you are an officer in the armed forces first, a pilot 2nd, and this is the over-riding consideration. As I can testify a good pilot might not make a good officer and vice versa. Testing for people getting onto pilot recruitment schemes might be doing the airlines job for them. If they got wind of PPRuNers paying for apti tests, they may try and shift the emphasis onto us.
Oleo/Gramps can you run with organising mentors and build up a d/base of who will volunteer, and what types/quals please. Perhaps it would be useful to start a sepereate thread here.
IFR: it would be in our best interests to consider registering as a charity and obtaining charitable status. We can then claim back taxes/VAT and would ease the wheels of the National Lottery. This will be a hard nut to crack, but I have a contact there I can explore. IFR, can you take lead on charities please?
I suggest we report back on our findings through the forum over the next few days. If the information we gather indicates that this could fly (pun intended) then we need to get people involved and meet to discuss face-to-face.
I'm excited about this!!
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Remember: all landings are controlled crashes!
Oleo/Gramps can you run with organising mentors and build up a d/base of who will volunteer, and what types/quals please. Perhaps it would be useful to start a sepereate thread here.
IFR: it would be in our best interests to consider registering as a charity and obtaining charitable status. We can then claim back taxes/VAT and would ease the wheels of the National Lottery. This will be a hard nut to crack, but I have a contact there I can explore. IFR, can you take lead on charities please?
I suggest we report back on our findings through the forum over the next few days. If the information we gather indicates that this could fly (pun intended) then we need to get people involved and meet to discuss face-to-face.
I'm excited about this!!
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Remember: all landings are controlled crashes!
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We have to have a constitution, that is under way. Before we make decisions on how to proceed with anything, it is necessary to get on with walking, running at this stage would serve no useful purpose.
Registering as a charity is a non-starter. It is minefield of paperwork and regulations. PPRuNe does not need to be anything other than in its present form with members who are willing to enhance its brilliance.
Registering as a charity is a non-starter. It is minefield of paperwork and regulations. PPRuNe does not need to be anything other than in its present form with members who are willing to enhance its brilliance.
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Oleo, Those over 18? Don't you think that those 15 and above is more reasonable? I speak from expierence when I say that it is impossible for the vast majority of school age people to get advice on a flying career. I also feel that when people get to age 18 they will often have made their mind up where they intend to get in life, and most will have some kind of plan of action to back that up.
I think that excluding younger members of PPRuNe is a big mistake. Please don't!
TPuk
I think that excluding younger members of PPRuNe is a big mistake. Please don't!
TPuk
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Oleo
remember one mentor can if willing probably take on more than 1 wannabe, and I dont think you will be that light on mentors - you can put me down for one (11,000hrs +, A320/330 captain exB757/767 came up via the instructor route, still instructing & flying taildraggers).
Please do though try to ensure that those wanting the mentoring ARE serious, as I can't think of anything more offputting for a mentor than getting someone who is not keen.
remember one mentor can if willing probably take on more than 1 wannabe, and I dont think you will be that light on mentors - you can put me down for one (11,000hrs +, A320/330 captain exB757/767 came up via the instructor route, still instructing & flying taildraggers).
Please do though try to ensure that those wanting the mentoring ARE serious, as I can't think of anything more offputting for a mentor than getting someone who is not keen.
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I would certainly be happy to be involved with the matching up of mentors and wannabes. I think we will need a standard info form. From wannabes we'll need things like age, plans, what type of flying they are hoping to get into (air taxi, airline, flight instructing) and what they are looking for in a mentor (occasional advice via e-mail, chats on the phone, career advice). Then on the mentor side we could ask things like current job, experience, particular interests, time available, location. I am sure some mentors would be happy just to answer questions via e-mail, and others would be happy to get more involved, perhaps meeting the person at a local airfield, or helping someone who has a licence but not a job, with things like preparing for interviews, CVs, etc.
I am not sure where Oleo is based, perhaps we could split this geographically?
Moderators - let me know if we should go ahead.
I am not sure where Oleo is based, perhaps we could split this geographically?
Moderators - let me know if we should go ahead.
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Oleo, what can i say!!!
Speaking as a 16 year old wannabe who is in training for a P.P.L, I know first hand that it can prove very hard indeed to find the advice we seek. I have been lucky enough to have priceless advice from many PPRuNers, Mooney, Dasher, Hamrah,WWW, Stan Stead to name but a few. I personaly know that I will not be likely able to fund my full training and have been very luck so far for my P.P.L. So the sponsorship idea is a very good one indeed, if hard to pull off.
Please dont exclude youngsters like me, and for instance DarrenMoore, because we are very frequently the ones who are not eligable for the benefits of a benefactor.
As for Mentoring, well, the above people have helped me enormously but I would love to have a "Mentor" that was able to go deep with advice and help. Tax! I have a lock box in my room that I put all spare cash into, it is not much but I would gladly put it into this valuable kitty, and even if I do not attend the future bashes I would love to pay the tax, (note blind enthusiasm). The fly in's are a great idea. I too, Tpuk, am anxious about when I start "Landing Away" so I could really benefit from this, and would be more than glad to offer the spare seats of my rented aircraft for a fellow un-licenced wannabee, I would gladly pay tax on this too.
I agree we should seek charity status and that we should try our arm at everything. If the veiw and perspective of a young trainee wannabee is needed, count me in more than gladly. This is the best idea in ages and after numerous put downs and negetive feedback from various "know it alls", The people of PPRuNe have once again made me feel on top of the world, and once again extremely motivated.
You all deserve night hoods for the ideas put forward, even if it starts of slowly, the ball is indeed rolling and as always, gathering that valuable thrust! I know that with the support of the group, we will all make it in our chosen path, once again thanks and good luck to all, awwww, what a great bunch of people you all are!!
Rusty
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Speaking as a 16 year old wannabe who is in training for a P.P.L, I know first hand that it can prove very hard indeed to find the advice we seek. I have been lucky enough to have priceless advice from many PPRuNers, Mooney, Dasher, Hamrah,WWW, Stan Stead to name but a few. I personaly know that I will not be likely able to fund my full training and have been very luck so far for my P.P.L. So the sponsorship idea is a very good one indeed, if hard to pull off.
Please dont exclude youngsters like me, and for instance DarrenMoore, because we are very frequently the ones who are not eligable for the benefits of a benefactor.
As for Mentoring, well, the above people have helped me enormously but I would love to have a "Mentor" that was able to go deep with advice and help. Tax! I have a lock box in my room that I put all spare cash into, it is not much but I would gladly put it into this valuable kitty, and even if I do not attend the future bashes I would love to pay the tax, (note blind enthusiasm). The fly in's are a great idea. I too, Tpuk, am anxious about when I start "Landing Away" so I could really benefit from this, and would be more than glad to offer the spare seats of my rented aircraft for a fellow un-licenced wannabee, I would gladly pay tax on this too.
I agree we should seek charity status and that we should try our arm at everything. If the veiw and perspective of a young trainee wannabee is needed, count me in more than gladly. This is the best idea in ages and after numerous put downs and negetive feedback from various "know it alls", The people of PPRuNe have once again made me feel on top of the world, and once again extremely motivated.
You all deserve night hoods for the ideas put forward, even if it starts of slowly, the ball is indeed rolling and as always, gathering that valuable thrust! I know that with the support of the group, we will all make it in our chosen path, once again thanks and good luck to all, awwww, what a great bunch of people you all are!!
Rusty
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Whoa there guys! The idea of this thread was started by me because I think it right that pilots and would be pilots get a chance, if it all possible, to benefit from funds that we will acquire, but as yet do not have.
Everyone was invited to give their ideas to it, and if the committee think it is a worthy idea, they will try to push it through. Certainly, Oleo's, idea of a mentor is very sound. But we still have to look at it from a professional point of view.
Mentors, if that is the way we think is best, will be allocated by the committee to an individual, who is in their opinion, a right and proper person to be reccommended.
Not EVERYONE, wannabes and all will be selected, and we will be scrupulously fair in our selections, especially the flying scholarship if we are able to arrange one or more. So your ability is important. There are NO shortcuts. So please do not try to go off on your own. All that will do is make you unworthy and unpopular, and could probably damage your own chances. And because YOU have not considered the many other people who have as much right as anyone to get a chance. Chance is what it is not a right.
We will in due course get the committee under way. When we do, it will be on a step by step basis. Till then please curb your natural enthusiasm and leave it to us.
Finally do not use the thread to chat among yourselves, the place for that is on its own thread in Aircrew or Wannabes. Ideas and views only on here please.
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Everyone was invited to give their ideas to it, and if the committee think it is a worthy idea, they will try to push it through. Certainly, Oleo's, idea of a mentor is very sound. But we still have to look at it from a professional point of view.
Mentors, if that is the way we think is best, will be allocated by the committee to an individual, who is in their opinion, a right and proper person to be reccommended.
Not EVERYONE, wannabes and all will be selected, and we will be scrupulously fair in our selections, especially the flying scholarship if we are able to arrange one or more. So your ability is important. There are NO shortcuts. So please do not try to go off on your own. All that will do is make you unworthy and unpopular, and could probably damage your own chances. And because YOU have not considered the many other people who have as much right as anyone to get a chance. Chance is what it is not a right.
We will in due course get the committee under way. When we do, it will be on a step by step basis. Till then please curb your natural enthusiasm and leave it to us.
Finally do not use the thread to chat among yourselves, the place for that is on its own thread in Aircrew or Wannabes. Ideas and views only on here please.
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I had a mentor, a BEA/BA Captain (girlfriend's father) who bluntly showed me that in life there are those that dream and those that go and do it - "stop talking about it lad, get off your @rse and do something about it!" I favour the mentoring scheme - it could be an addition to any PPRuNe fund. I wish I could help to co-ordinate a mentoring scheme, but there ain't enough hours in the day for me to do justice to the admin. connected with a scheme like this; working for a low-cost scheduled operator keeps one a tad busy in the sharp end.
As soon as someone sets up the database or whatever, I will gladly participate, as I said yesterday. My own 15 year old daughter is getting the benefit of a bit of fatherly mentoring towards this business, and I don't see why I can't spread that a bit further.
If a mentoring programme is decided upon, well, so far there's Grandad Flyer, foxmoth and me - any more takers for the role of mentor?
(PS InFinR, I'm not going off on me own! - but I do think a scheme like this will need some momentum to sustain it)
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As soon as someone sets up the database or whatever, I will gladly participate, as I said yesterday. My own 15 year old daughter is getting the benefit of a bit of fatherly mentoring towards this business, and I don't see why I can't spread that a bit further.
If a mentoring programme is decided upon, well, so far there's Grandad Flyer, foxmoth and me - any more takers for the role of mentor?
(PS InFinR, I'm not going off on me own! - but I do think a scheme like this will need some momentum to sustain it)
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Hi Buzzoff. I agree with with what you say and I would be grateful if you would mail me.
But publicly, it IS a database of all things we require and co-ordination of it is vital to the its success. Impossible if people go off doing their own thing. This idea is few days old and it takes a bit of time to organise.
PS. FOXMOTH, would you be kind enough to mail me too please.
As far as you going off on your own is concerned. Never even thought about it. But grateful that you are the first to offer yourself as a mentor. I hope others follow your example.
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But publicly, it IS a database of all things we require and co-ordination of it is vital to the its success. Impossible if people go off doing their own thing. This idea is few days old and it takes a bit of time to organise.
PS. FOXMOTH, would you be kind enough to mail me too please.
As far as you going off on your own is concerned. Never even thought about it. But grateful that you are the first to offer yourself as a mentor. I hope others follow your example.
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IFR - hope you're feeling better.
Anything I can do, feel free to call on me.
Can we adopt my cat as a mascot, cos it's where the idea for VelvetStrokes came from.
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If this scolarship is about to kick off, how so we prevent an increase in the masssive sucking up excersise that already goes on during the PPRuNe bashes ?
Also, the implication seems to be that this sceme is only for UK based pilots. What about the wannabees in other places like the US or Australia ?
Despite these two issues a very laudable effort.
Also, the implication seems to be that this sceme is only for UK based pilots. What about the wannabees in other places like the US or Australia ?
Despite these two issues a very laudable effort.
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Pelican! A sucking up exercise? Surely you don't mean that! However, I bow to your observation about the US and the Antipodes. There is no way that they will be forgotten! No sir, just let us get the thing under way and the world over will be included.
And Pelican, if I may use your thread. I am very happy to tell you, and everyone that Captain Airclues, of BA, has agreed to join the team of committee members to complete my team of seven. A very formidable team, and I have to say that in all my years in airline management, flying and committee work, I have never had such a dynamic team of people to work with.
We will get to work soon and keep you informed of progress.
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