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30th Jan 2006, 17:55

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I'd be pretty comfortable accepting the photos to be genuine.

The guy is highly regarded is aviation photography I believe.

30th Jan 2006, 18:11

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Highly regarded AWR?

He was barred from uploading to a certain well know website for faking photos before!

30th Jan 2006, 18:32

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Well, I believe he has quite an impressive selection of quite genuine photos. It would be very stupid of him to stain his reputation for excellent photography with doctored photos. I'm not aware he was banned from any site. I think you may be confusing him with someone else (I shan't mention names) who uploaded a number of highly suspect photos a couple of years back.

30th Jan 2006, 19:00

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Itis doctored, look at the gear, it is almost as wide as the runway.

30th Jan 2006, 19:15

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No jet efflux distortion either.....

30th Jan 2006, 19:23

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Hi all,

I think this photo is not doctored at all... I don`t know Sam Chui personally but I think he dont need any fakes. He is well known in the scene of plane spotters. I saw a lot of IL86 take offs in my life. Its well known that the performance of the IL86 at hot weather conditions is very bad... The runway in HKT is 3000 meters and its very hot there at the moment... I saw several take offs at my home town HAJ in the past summers...
Air Kazakhstan had always trouble in the summer to reach FL 100 after take off...
This pic I took myself and if someone dont believe that its real, you are invited to visit me and watch the original slide

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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/230525/L/

cheers Olaf

30th Jan 2006, 19:23

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Having thought about this a little more I'm beginning to think along the lines of Bananahead, why hasn't the photographer got more photos, showing us a little further down the runway, and over the water.......hmmmmm.

30th Jan 2006, 19:28

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If you upload two photos of the same registration on the same day at airliners .net, one will be rejected usually as "bad double"...
We photographers dont like this also, but thats the rules of airliners

...

30th Jan 2006, 21:56

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Well, there were two photos of the IL96 take off, within a few moments of each other but two nevertheless here they are
Plenty of jet eflux in those pictures. (There is also a bit in the IL86 photo if you look closely)
Perhaps we could hear a little more about his supposed doctoring of photos and ban from a certain site. I certainly am unaware of it and I've been admiring his photos on a-net for a couple of years now.
I'm not saying they aren't doctored, but I find it highly unlikely.

30th Jan 2006, 23:06

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Well...To be honest im not very familiar with Photo Techniques but one thing i could share with you for sure...I was one of the few Persons who watched with my very own Eyes this Situation in August 2003»»»

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20030801-0
And i must confess you....for several following Days&Nights, that moving Scenario of an Old Tupolev using its wings like "cutting with a scythe" those Trees at the end of the RWY, already in the RESA....

, couldn't leave my Mind at All

31st Jan 2006, 03:37

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Did anyone consider that the takeoff performance used the clearway?? So the 35ft point will be reached beyond the end of the runway?

Look for some airliners photos of PIA B747 Classic aircraft coming out of Manchester!

Mutt

31st Jan 2006, 05:48

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Photo Shop Wind Up

It had already been mentioned earlier that the flaps are not in a takeoff setting, furthermore, if you look carefully at the rear of all engines you will not see any airflow "swirl" that is commensurate with maximum takeoff thrust as would be dramatically apparent during rotation at full-power. The airplane obviously appears to be at idle thrust during a landing flare...

31st Jan 2006, 11:57

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The complete sequence looks very convincing

http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate1.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate2.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate3.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate4.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate5.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate6.jpg
http://samchuiphotos.com/Sydney/HKTVasoIL86rotate7.jpg

31st Jan 2006, 13:20

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Hi just get a mail by Sam Chui,
he also send me the links above...
He also wrote following:
The wind was 090/14kts, the reason they
select Rwy27 to takeoff is because of the sea in front instead of a hard to
clear terrain on Rwy09 end. The tower did ask the captain twice about
takeoff on Rwy 27 but the answer was affirmative and "we accept Rwy 27"
The flight is going to Karachi, a good 5-6 hours away. 300Pax
cheers Olaf

31st Jan 2006, 13:36

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Well, I'm sure that some of you are still unconvinced but those seven seperate JPGs suggest to me that the pictures are undoctored. If it turns out that they are, Sam is a bloody good counterfitter and wasted as an aviation photographer.

If the bit about the 14 knot tailwind is true, it is amazing that they are not still fishing the pax out of the drink...

31st Jan 2006, 15:11

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The pictures are totally genuine. I can see jet efflux, the take-off flaps are set, the whole sequence looks genuine- what more do you people want? If the wind is indeed as stated, he may well have lifted off further back than people realise, but the angle of climb is less- ie he still only climbed at a reduced rate, but with a greater groundspeed due to the tailwind it resulted in a low angle of climb. Looks worse than it is, especially as a long telephoto was used, but still disturbing.