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im sure you have a super duper job comparing various airplanes for your comapny, well done mate, your parents must be very proud indeed! good point well made, what-ever! maybe it is you who is confusing infer with perhaps...imply? again whats your point? you didnt understand the point or the sentence? i think your grasping at straws there, let it go. as far as typo's are concerned, well if i mess up the occasional word here or there please feel free to correct it with your french dictionary ...yawn! as for FR v EZ , who really cares, neither one of them are going for the a380. but if you love easy soooo much feel free to believe they are tops! now do you have anything interesting to say on topic (ie a380 relevant) or are you going to keep harping on about spelling mistakes and typos and your great job comparing aircraft for your company.
let me gues your the best of the best of the best at comparing aircraft in your particular company and therefore you know it all. well done!
im sure you have a super duper job comparing various airplanes for your comapny, well done mate, your parents must be very proud indeed! good point well made, what-ever! maybe it is you who is confusing infer with perhaps...imply? again whats your point? you didnt understand the point or the sentence? i think your grasping at straws there, let it go. as far as typo's are concerned, well if i mess up the occasional word here or there please feel free to correct it with your french dictionary ...yawn! as for FR v EZ , who really cares, neither one of them are going for the a380. but if you love easy soooo much feel free to believe they are tops! now do you have anything interesting to say on topic (ie a380 relevant) or are you going to keep harping on about spelling mistakes and typos and your great job comparing aircraft for your company.
let me gues your the best of the best of the best at comparing aircraft in your particular company and therefore you know it all. well done!
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A380 factory tours in october
A couple of weeks ago the Sunday Times Travel section had a small cutting -
"....the Airbus A380 assembley line will open to public during october. You can watch the largest commercial airliner in history, coming to life at it factory in Toulouse for just £6.50....."
I have since tried to get further information via search engines/airbus website etc. to no avail..
Can anyone help???
"....the Airbus A380 assembley line will open to public during october. You can watch the largest commercial airliner in history, coming to life at it factory in Toulouse for just £6.50....."
I have since tried to get further information via search engines/airbus website etc. to no avail..
Can anyone help???
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embraer is a great company with great planes, even the royal air force uses embraer aircraft (tucano).
I could pick apart all your posts, but quite frankly I cannot be bothered as there is so much nonsense within them, not to mention poor grammar and lack of paragraphs. Unsurprisingly, 'infer' is a word, and you simply appear ignorant with your childish post. The grammar is why nobody understood that phrase of yours at first glance - nobody here cares to lecture people on grammar, but when one cannot understand a post it is a different matter entirely. So in short, no, nobody can read much of what you are writing, so wind your neck in and post in an adult manner.
If you can't stand people's views here, then go away. Your only comments so far that have the slightest bearing on the aircraft's suitability for one airline or another are that you 'wouldnt turn down a shot flying it' (sp), and that a US Airways jet was 'a smooth ride'?
Quite frankly, I am curious as to how you have posted in one of your prior posts in August "i currently have around 2000hrs in the 737-200 and am thinking of coming back to europe for family reasons. i was speaking to a friend of..."; and follow up in September with "just completed my 737-200 type at FTI in denver colorado."...
Why have US passenger carriers not ordered the A380?
1) Extremely low profitability and poor balance sheets, preventing financing
2) Point-to-point services do not support it at densities flown
3) Poor infrastructure in the US for the aircraft at major airfields, such as LAX - one of a few reasons why Virgin is no longer the first to fly the aircraft and chose a later delivery.
It has very little to do with startup loans, which though given by governments to Airbus with lower rates, are indeed repayable. Neither does it have anything to do with politics as US airlines have operated Airbuses from A300 upwards.
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corklad
I'll go through the rest of your diatribe if I can be bothered sometime, but suffice to say the 330K's ability to do BZN-MPA nonstop and the number of standard containers it would bring along and the fact that they wouldn't be relieving BA of some used 763ERs as would have happened in the old days has a lot more to do with it than "politics". Search mil forum (username BEagle) if you want more.
Ask the Australians, who because they won't be messing around with a stupid PFI will be taking delivery of their 330Ks before RAF despite beginning their process after them.
By the way, after re-heat's post I couldn't help myself - do you own a time machine of some sort?
2/Aug/05
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...02#post2016902
23/Aug/05
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...23#post2110723
I'll go through the rest of your diatribe if I can be bothered sometime, but suffice to say the 330K's ability to do BZN-MPA nonstop and the number of standard containers it would bring along and the fact that they wouldn't be relieving BA of some used 763ERs as would have happened in the old days has a lot more to do with it than "politics". Search mil forum (username BEagle) if you want more.
Ask the Australians, who because they won't be messing around with a stupid PFI will be taking delivery of their 330Ks before RAF despite beginning their process after them.
By the way, after re-heat's post I couldn't help myself - do you own a time machine of some sort?
2/Aug/05
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...02#post2016902
23/Aug/05
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...23#post2110723
Bear Behind
Right, point by point then, ignoring spelling and grammar because clearly it doesn’t matter to you whether people can understand what you write or not…
“im sure you have a super duper job comparing various airplanes for your comapny,”
Yes, I do. It’s fun. I see the manufacturers at least weekly. Do you think that qualifies me to comment on why airlines buy any particular aircraft? Or do you still believe they are bought because of the way they look? If so, I'll take a dozen DC-3s, please.
“well done mate,”
Very kind of you, thank you.
“your parents must be very proud indeed!”
I’m sure they are.
“good point well made, what-ever!”
Gibberish
“maybe it is you who is confusing infer with perhaps...imply?”
No, I don’t think so.
“again whats your point?”
My point is to know what the sentence that I quoted in my previous post was supposed to infer – what were you trying to suggest? Plastic Airbus? A320 is about 15% composite. 787 will be about 50% composite. Which one is the plastic aeroplane?
“you didnt understand the point or the sentence?”
No, I was emphasising that you are contradicting yourself. You said: “what i said was its a great lower end model to compete against A319 or B737 etc.” I emphasised that that is not what you inferred – you were inferring that the “plastic Airbus” is inferior to the 737s and the Embraers in your previous post.
“i think your grasping at straws there, let it go. as far as typo's are concerned, well if i mess up the occasional word here or there please feel free to correct it”
Thanks, I probably will. I won’t bother for now though – it’d take too long.
“with your french dictionary ...yawn!”
I mentioned that in my opinion the Embraers were a bit of “bricolage”. That’s a French word. You accused me of slandering them. I still suggest that you look up “bricolage” to understand what I was saying and then you will see there’s no slander involved.
“as for FR v EZ , who really cares, neither one of them are going for the a380.”
I couldn’t really care less. YOU were the one who brought up FR and their slaughtering of EZ, not me.
“but if you love easy soooo much feel free to believe they are tops!”
They beat FR hands down in terms of service – and they go to places I want to go to, not somewhere 50 miles away.
“now do you have anything interesting to say on topic (ie a380 relevant)”
I could, but I think I’ll refrain from discussing it with you for the time being. Re-heat makes the main salient points anyway. Your “no airports can handle it” and “runways are too short for it” comments show an astounding lack of knowledge on the subject anyway, so what would be the point discussing it with you?
“or are you going to keep harping on about spelling mistakes and typos”
Learn to write and discuss properly and there’ll be no need to.
“and your great job comparing aircraft for your company”
Well it lets me be qualified to discuss aircraft comparisons objectively, doesn’t it?
“let me gues your the best of the best of the best at comparing aircraft in your particular company and therefore you know it all.”
I’m so happy that you think so. How many people do you think run aircraft evaluations for airlines or leasing companies or banks, by the way? Do you imagine it’s hundreds or only a handful?
“well done! ”
Thank you. I still await your answer to my questions, point by point, instead of waving your hand "whatever!"
U.S. carriers are in no position to be ordering the A380 – or any aircraft – at the moment. Take a look how many orders there have been from the U.S. legacy carriers. Only 2 ordered the 747-400 as a passenger aircraft and both of them are in Chapter 11. The A380 will introduce a quantum leap drop in operating costs for the airlines – extremely important with fuel today at over $2.00 per USG. Those airlines with intercontinental hub to hub strategies will order it in droves (hence 159 orders for a machine not yet in service – not bad for an aircraft costing close to $300 million). The 787 will do the same but will not be able to do it at slot constrained airports. Thus it’ll offer the same drop but to secondary markets. Yes it will get more orders than the A380 but it’s less than half the price, about 1/3 the size and so an airline will need to order more of them – it is only logical.
“im sure you have a super duper job comparing various airplanes for your comapny,”
Yes, I do. It’s fun. I see the manufacturers at least weekly. Do you think that qualifies me to comment on why airlines buy any particular aircraft? Or do you still believe they are bought because of the way they look? If so, I'll take a dozen DC-3s, please.
“well done mate,”
Very kind of you, thank you.
“your parents must be very proud indeed!”
I’m sure they are.
“good point well made, what-ever!”
Gibberish
“maybe it is you who is confusing infer with perhaps...imply?”
No, I don’t think so.
“again whats your point?”
My point is to know what the sentence that I quoted in my previous post was supposed to infer – what were you trying to suggest? Plastic Airbus? A320 is about 15% composite. 787 will be about 50% composite. Which one is the plastic aeroplane?
“you didnt understand the point or the sentence?”
No, I was emphasising that you are contradicting yourself. You said: “what i said was its a great lower end model to compete against A319 or B737 etc.” I emphasised that that is not what you inferred – you were inferring that the “plastic Airbus” is inferior to the 737s and the Embraers in your previous post.
“i think your grasping at straws there, let it go. as far as typo's are concerned, well if i mess up the occasional word here or there please feel free to correct it”
Thanks, I probably will. I won’t bother for now though – it’d take too long.
“with your french dictionary ...yawn!”
I mentioned that in my opinion the Embraers were a bit of “bricolage”. That’s a French word. You accused me of slandering them. I still suggest that you look up “bricolage” to understand what I was saying and then you will see there’s no slander involved.
“as for FR v EZ , who really cares, neither one of them are going for the a380.”
I couldn’t really care less. YOU were the one who brought up FR and their slaughtering of EZ, not me.
“but if you love easy soooo much feel free to believe they are tops!”
They beat FR hands down in terms of service – and they go to places I want to go to, not somewhere 50 miles away.
“now do you have anything interesting to say on topic (ie a380 relevant)”
I could, but I think I’ll refrain from discussing it with you for the time being. Re-heat makes the main salient points anyway. Your “no airports can handle it” and “runways are too short for it” comments show an astounding lack of knowledge on the subject anyway, so what would be the point discussing it with you?
“or are you going to keep harping on about spelling mistakes and typos”
Learn to write and discuss properly and there’ll be no need to.
“and your great job comparing aircraft for your company”
Well it lets me be qualified to discuss aircraft comparisons objectively, doesn’t it?
“let me gues your the best of the best of the best at comparing aircraft in your particular company and therefore you know it all.”
I’m so happy that you think so. How many people do you think run aircraft evaluations for airlines or leasing companies or banks, by the way? Do you imagine it’s hundreds or only a handful?
“well done! ”
Thank you. I still await your answer to my questions, point by point, instead of waving your hand "whatever!"
U.S. carriers are in no position to be ordering the A380 – or any aircraft – at the moment. Take a look how many orders there have been from the U.S. legacy carriers. Only 2 ordered the 747-400 as a passenger aircraft and both of them are in Chapter 11. The A380 will introduce a quantum leap drop in operating costs for the airlines – extremely important with fuel today at over $2.00 per USG. Those airlines with intercontinental hub to hub strategies will order it in droves (hence 159 orders for a machine not yet in service – not bad for an aircraft costing close to $300 million). The 787 will do the same but will not be able to do it at slot constrained airports. Thus it’ll offer the same drop but to secondary markets. Yes it will get more orders than the A380 but it’s less than half the price, about 1/3 the size and so an airline will need to order more of them – it is only logical.
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Taxiway run the Toulouse factory tours. However, they do not specify whether the A380 build line is included in the tour on the site. Your best bet is propbably to contact Taxiway.
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Seems nobody picked up Leighton's post about the US Government paying for the prototype 747. Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid.
Boeing submitted design proposals for the C-5 competition with an aircraft that looked very similar to the Galaxy but without the T-Tail. Boeing lost to Douglas at the DESIGN stage.
Juan Trippe of Pan Am then approached Boeing with the suggestion of taking some of the studies they had done for the C-5 and come up with a large passenger aircraft. The result was the 747. But Boeing self financed the prototype and, when problems delayed early deliveries, almost drove Boeing under.
Sorry to try and put some common sense (and really off topic at that!) into a post full of the complete rubbish coming out of southern Ireland at the moment. And this post is probably much more boring to read than corklad's rantings.
But to come back on topic - let's see. Airports becoming increasingly congested, pax numbers rising. Therefore, like it or not, larger aircraft are required - hence the A380 for major trunk routes.
Boeing submitted design proposals for the C-5 competition with an aircraft that looked very similar to the Galaxy but without the T-Tail. Boeing lost to Douglas at the DESIGN stage.
Juan Trippe of Pan Am then approached Boeing with the suggestion of taking some of the studies they had done for the C-5 and come up with a large passenger aircraft. The result was the 747. But Boeing self financed the prototype and, when problems delayed early deliveries, almost drove Boeing under.
Sorry to try and put some common sense (and really off topic at that!) into a post full of the complete rubbish coming out of southern Ireland at the moment. And this post is probably much more boring to read than corklad's rantings.
But to come back on topic - let's see. Airports becoming increasingly congested, pax numbers rising. Therefore, like it or not, larger aircraft are required - hence the A380 for major trunk routes.
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Umm, Lockheed, I think, groundloop. There is a point that some contribution was made by the U.S. governement. Without it there would have been no aircraft for Juan to start from, if you catch my drift. But yes, Boeing did bet the house on the 747 and it paid off. Top marks for that!
And actually no, it isn't boring. I was wondering if I was losing my marbles and the world had gone mad. Thank you for some common sense.
And actually no, it isn't boring. I was wondering if I was losing my marbles and the world had gone mad. Thank you for some common sense.
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Corklad,
As far as I can see in this Topic it seems you have a chip on your shoulder against the British, not British v American
Myself I love the American people, I like Boeing planes, and I like airbus planes. Granted they both get help so let them play. It’s only going to benefit us as they will constantly try to outdo each other with better more reliable more stylish planes. I say great.
Who cares who orders what!!!
Oh and that bit about Ryanair made me laugh
As far as I can see in this Topic it seems you have a chip on your shoulder against the British, not British v American
Myself I love the American people, I like Boeing planes, and I like airbus planes. Granted they both get help so let them play. It’s only going to benefit us as they will constantly try to outdo each other with better more reliable more stylish planes. I say great.
Who cares who orders what!!!
Oh and that bit about Ryanair made me laugh
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This thread should be on prescription!
There i was sitting down to my computer with a splitting headache not relishing the prospect of several more hours of drudgery at the office when i happened across this thread.
20 mins later, headache gone and tears of laughter streaming down my face I am rejuvenated!
Corklad, please please stick your head back out of the foxhole
There i was sitting down to my computer with a splitting headache not relishing the prospect of several more hours of drudgery at the office when i happened across this thread.
20 mins later, headache gone and tears of laughter streaming down my face I am rejuvenated!
Corklad, please please stick your head back out of the foxhole
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A380 to visit FRA
Saturday 29th will be the second time the A380 visits Germany. Some newspapers and the local spotter community (links at the end of this post) reported that the A380 will arrive at 09.00 am for tests regarding dispatch and the "overall airport capability".
The RMAS (Rhein-Main-Aviation-Society) website says that position E9 is reserved for the big Bus, and that the visitor terraces may be closed due to the limited capacity.
Some links (sorry, couldn't find links in english, so german language only):
Frankfurter Rundschau
RMAS
The RMAS (Rhein-Main-Aviation-Society) website says that position E9 is reserved for the big Bus, and that the visitor terraces may be closed due to the limited capacity.
Some links (sorry, couldn't find links in english, so german language only):
Frankfurter Rundschau
RMAS
Bear Behind
Also set to visit Singapore, K.L., Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Dubai during November according to Airbus.
It'll be nice to see it in other parts of the world and give punters a chance to see it.
It'll be nice to see it in other parts of the world and give punters a chance to see it.
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