Smoking on the flight-deck
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Alty Meter, do you also believe that JFK was murdered by the CIA and a conspiracy covered it all up?
To those (few) giving fmc apprentice a hard time, I say go jump.
I had to put up with chain-smokers on 747 classics in our company many years ago. It turned a pleasant trip into total misery! Thankfully smoking was totally banned on our flightdecks about ten years ago.
If you are one of the many smokers who smoke in public places (bars, restaurants etc. ) then I say " Rot in hell!"
You smokers are (often) arrogant, rude, inconsiderate and a whole lot more. Just by smoking in public places you are proving this!! (I am NOT directing this at smokers who only smoke away from others!)
A huge majority of people feel as I do but unlike you most are
too polite to say something which may offend. I have had two restaurant meals ruined in the last two weeks by smokers!
If this is true about Ryanair (and I suspect it is!) then I am apalled that any (western) airline has such disgusting work practices.
I hereby award Ryanair the "Dirty Ashtray Award". I hope the lawyers hound them on this issue- I normally can't tolerate the mentality of "sue, sue , sue" but here it is justified,
TOTALLY justified.
Good luck fmc apprentice- I can really empathasize with you.
To those (few) giving fmc apprentice a hard time, I say go jump.
I had to put up with chain-smokers on 747 classics in our company many years ago. It turned a pleasant trip into total misery! Thankfully smoking was totally banned on our flightdecks about ten years ago.
If you are one of the many smokers who smoke in public places (bars, restaurants etc. ) then I say " Rot in hell!"
You smokers are (often) arrogant, rude, inconsiderate and a whole lot more. Just by smoking in public places you are proving this!! (I am NOT directing this at smokers who only smoke away from others!)
A huge majority of people feel as I do but unlike you most are
too polite to say something which may offend. I have had two restaurant meals ruined in the last two weeks by smokers!
If this is true about Ryanair (and I suspect it is!) then I am apalled that any (western) airline has such disgusting work practices.
I hereby award Ryanair the "Dirty Ashtray Award". I hope the lawyers hound them on this issue- I normally can't tolerate the mentality of "sue, sue , sue" but here it is justified,
TOTALLY justified.
Good luck fmc apprentice- I can really empathasize with you.
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Yeh, calm down???
The point is that, ( ignoring health effects ) for most non smokers, being forced to breath someone else's smoke is about as pleasant as being forced to breath someone else's really foul farts continuously.
If I sat next to you in a confined space constantly passing the most foul and smelly farts imaginable- don't you think you might get a little upset.... just a little.
Yet smokers don't seem to realze just how objectionable their smoke is...
They also don't seem (or don't want) to realize that stubbing their butts out on the sidewalk is littering.
I think I have every right to get upset about it all.
The other night I was in a pleasant little bar with about a dozen people. (mostly pilots and spouses) We were having an enjoyable and quiet drink/discussion, when in came three smokers who all lit up... one a cigar. Every single one of our group hated the smoke.... and so ten minutes later we moved on. Nothing was said to the smokers as it's "their right to smoke"! Maybe I should be allowed to take a cannister of rotten egg gas into a bar or restaurant and let it off!- my "right!"
I think I'd be abused and chucked out- what's the difference?
The point is that, ( ignoring health effects ) for most non smokers, being forced to breath someone else's smoke is about as pleasant as being forced to breath someone else's really foul farts continuously.
If I sat next to you in a confined space constantly passing the most foul and smelly farts imaginable- don't you think you might get a little upset.... just a little.
Yet smokers don't seem to realze just how objectionable their smoke is...
They also don't seem (or don't want) to realize that stubbing their butts out on the sidewalk is littering.
I think I have every right to get upset about it all.
The other night I was in a pleasant little bar with about a dozen people. (mostly pilots and spouses) We were having an enjoyable and quiet drink/discussion, when in came three smokers who all lit up... one a cigar. Every single one of our group hated the smoke.... and so ten minutes later we moved on. Nothing was said to the smokers as it's "their right to smoke"! Maybe I should be allowed to take a cannister of rotten egg gas into a bar or restaurant and let it off!- my "right!"
I think I'd be abused and chucked out- what's the difference?
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Hey there, Taking Over Nigel,
Let me know which bar that was, will bring along a nice Cuban cigar...just for you.
A bar ain't the flight deck.
Suspect you don't know the difference...
Let me know which bar that was, will bring along a nice Cuban cigar...just for you.
A bar ain't the flight deck.
Suspect you don't know the difference...
Smokers are drug addicts, plain and simple!!! The sooner they realise it the better for them as they may seek treatment.
Before anyone starts shooting me down look at some comparisons.
Heroin is addictive and it can kill you.
Smoking is addictive and it can kill you.
ie what's the difference.
Anyone who still thinks smokers don't have problems just look at the poor sods huddled outside office buildings in the pouring rain (or blizzard), freezing cold and puffing away on their little white sticks. If that doesn't tell them they have an addiction and a problem, nothing will.
Off course, anyone who is a smoker and reads this will deny all of it. (Another classic drug addict sympton).
PS In case you hadn't noticed, people who smoke in confined public spaces really p*ss me off.
PPS Why are the only free seats on a rush hour train in the smoking comparment?
Before anyone starts shooting me down look at some comparisons.
Heroin is addictive and it can kill you.
Smoking is addictive and it can kill you.
ie what's the difference.
Anyone who still thinks smokers don't have problems just look at the poor sods huddled outside office buildings in the pouring rain (or blizzard), freezing cold and puffing away on their little white sticks. If that doesn't tell them they have an addiction and a problem, nothing will.
Off course, anyone who is a smoker and reads this will deny all of it. (Another classic drug addict sympton).
PS In case you hadn't noticed, people who smoke in confined public spaces really p*ss me off.
PPS Why are the only free seats on a rush hour train in the smoking comparment?
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"Heroin is addictive and it can kill you.
Smoking is addictive and it can kill you.
ie what's the difference."
That's a bit twee - Heroin is a class A drug that people kill to deal in and purchase, there ends the difference. Alcohol has more in common with Heroin - and a few unsocial side effects too.
Smoking is addictive and it can kill you.
ie what's the difference."
That's a bit twee - Heroin is a class A drug that people kill to deal in and purchase, there ends the difference. Alcohol has more in common with Heroin - and a few unsocial side effects too.
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The differnce is...from my point of view and I think a good many others....
Someone can sit at a table behind me in a restaurant and mainline heroin and I I won't know... and I won't care.. it's their choice and their problem... nothing to do with me .. unless of course the **** sticks his needle into MY arm.
If on the other hand some dirty smelling arsehole 8 tables away lights up ... within 20 seconds I'm having to breath in the evil smelling sh*t....and THAT is why I get angry.
Someone can sit at a table behind me in a restaurant and mainline heroin and I I won't know... and I won't care.. it's their choice and their problem... nothing to do with me .. unless of course the **** sticks his needle into MY arm.
If on the other hand some dirty smelling arsehole 8 tables away lights up ... within 20 seconds I'm having to breath in the evil smelling sh*t....and THAT is why I get angry.
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You just proved my point.
Thank you!- no a thousand thank-you's.
You are rude and arrogant, and a whole lot more.
I won't say what I'm thinking because it would be totally wasted on the likes of you.
Plus it may offend others, couldn't give a rat's **** about offending you.
You just proved my point.
Thank you!- no a thousand thank-you's.
You are rude and arrogant, and a whole lot more.
I won't say what I'm thinking because it would be totally wasted on the likes of you.
Plus it may offend others, couldn't give a rat's **** about offending you.
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TRALF...
I don't consider the analogy inappropriate...I'm merely stating that I have no wish to dictate to others what they should or should not indulge in for pleasure...
I don't disguise my antipathy to smoking behind false concerns for their health.... what they do to themselves is their business ... what they do to my health and comfort is mine...
I don't consider the analogy inappropriate...I'm merely stating that I have no wish to dictate to others what they should or should not indulge in for pleasure...
I don't disguise my antipathy to smoking behind false concerns for their health.... what they do to themselves is their business ... what they do to my health and comfort is mine...
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you are completely wrong in your claims. Smoking in any form on an aircraft is a hazzard. I hope that you are not serious about your claims and are just out to wind people up , if this is the case then you have achieved your goal.
For those that think passive smoking is not dangerous - remember Roy Castle. For those of you who don't know him he was a famous Television personality whom, despite having never smoked in his life, developed lung cancer as a result of playing as a musician in 'smokey' night clubs. He went on to develop lung cancer from which he died.
sorry it would appear that DSR10's post was removed ,which was just as wel as he was a bit of a *?@)er.
you are completely wrong in your claims. Smoking in any form on an aircraft is a hazzard. I hope that you are not serious about your claims and are just out to wind people up , if this is the case then you have achieved your goal.
For those that think passive smoking is not dangerous - remember Roy Castle. For those of you who don't know him he was a famous Television personality whom, despite having never smoked in his life, developed lung cancer as a result of playing as a musician in 'smokey' night clubs. He went on to develop lung cancer from which he died.
sorry it would appear that DSR10's post was removed ,which was just as wel as he was a bit of a *?@)er.
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I cant help wondering if this thread would still be running if it wasnt ryanair.
Shades of resentment again. Just get used to it. The irish are colonising the south of england, and this time they are not here to build the motorways and townhalls. cheers europe.
Who knows we may get the formation of the sra (not the sudanese one) stansted republican army, a bunch of dissaffected southerners trying to liberate essex from the economic domination of the irish invader.
dont ya luv it
more power to ryr. ciggies an all.
before anyone in the right seat has a pop as they usually do on this forum
i'm a captain that doesnt smoke , i have right wing views and therefore must have no command/people skills.
some of todays f/os remind me of aid workers. full of principle and revulsion for the western policy, until the un offers them a job. get a life boys and deal with it.
Shades of resentment again. Just get used to it. The irish are colonising the south of england, and this time they are not here to build the motorways and townhalls. cheers europe.
Who knows we may get the formation of the sra (not the sudanese one) stansted republican army, a bunch of dissaffected southerners trying to liberate essex from the economic domination of the irish invader.
dont ya luv it
more power to ryr. ciggies an all.
before anyone in the right seat has a pop as they usually do on this forum
i'm a captain that doesnt smoke , i have right wing views and therefore must have no command/people skills.
some of todays f/os remind me of aid workers. full of principle and revulsion for the western policy, until the un offers them a job. get a life boys and deal with it.
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before anyone in the right seat has a pop as they usually do on this forum
i'm a captain that doesnt smoke , i have right wing views
Hehe.... gimme a break!
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Since FMC apprentice has gone quite, I would like to inform him, that not long ago (a month or so) three Captains were let go beacuse they were smoking. All three times they were reported through the anonymous safety report system, and guess what, they were not from the middle east, or from the eastern countries. They were Western Europeans, and the company took the hard stance and they are not with us any longer. Smoking on board is not a common practice, and I would say that it is less than 10 guys out of 800 pilots who smoke. Even these guys are not smoking anymore as they are proffesionals and they obey the FCIs.
JP
FMC apprentice I think now that we have informed pprune about Ryanair's Stance on this matter, and since you can confirm it internaly, next time you have an issue you will consider going the proper way and using the correct chanels. This of course requires that you are a man with, honour, character and dignity.
JP
FMC apprentice I think now that we have informed pprune about Ryanair's Stance on this matter, and since you can confirm it internaly, next time you have an issue you will consider going the proper way and using the correct chanels. This of course requires that you are a man with, honour, character and dignity.
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johnpilot,
The treatment of F/O Duggan, when SHE used the "Right Channels", of course being a shining example of how FR treats it's crews?
The treatment of F/O Duggan, when SHE used the "Right Channels", of course being a shining example of how FR treats it's crews?
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We've got some real ninnies in this profession you know.Didnt used to be like that and its a damn shame.Seems like the whole world is being taken over by these obsessive control-freaks who get upset by a puff of smoke.All people have all kinds of annoying traits and foibles.I hate sitting next to some left-wing bleeding heart who goes on about how wrong the war against Saddam or the Taliban is.The drivel they mouth off is more polluting than a few puffs of smoke,I can tell you.Or some politically-correct guy who's been flying all of 1 year who thinks CRM means we're all equal and that its just as much his aircraft as it is mine.
Now,I'll agree that smoking in a confined space like a flight-deck is probably not on.Its been banned stateside for some time.But being a pedantic miserable excuse for a human being who object to people smoking in a bar is DEFINITELY NOT ON.
Now,I'll agree that smoking in a confined space like a flight-deck is probably not on.Its been banned stateside for some time.But being a pedantic miserable excuse for a human being who object to people smoking in a bar is DEFINITELY NOT ON.