Tiger
 

Heard on the grape vine a lot of people leaving Sin for HKG.

Any of it true?

Kind of heard the same thing today, that up to 15 guys are leaving.

Also new Chief Pilot in the house according to my sources.

As the global recovery picks up, staff will always leave inferior airlines like Tiger.

If a fraction of the predicted need for aircrews over the next few years eventuates (as detailed in Flight International recently), the Tigers, Ryans and JetStars of this world will struggle to man their flights. They only have themselves to blame.

yes apparently when they approched a recruiting agency for my pilots, they were politely told to piss off as Tiger is paying 30% below average wages and no-one in their right mind would apply for such terrible conditions!!

Oops!!

b.

I believe they are still trying to get pilots through Wynnwith aviation...

Thanks for the replies guys. What happened to the previous Chief Pilot?

went to Ethiad. Wouldn't you head off after been given a pay cut???
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Thanks Boocs, didn't even know they had a pay cut. Hows that for in the loop.

Pay cut....humm...that is debatable. Line pilots got a pay cut and they felt it.

The cash out he got from the IPO could cover any pay cuts for years to come....

Not saying that he didn't deserve it thou. Putting up with the homo mgmt lobby and a Training Manager with a Napoleon complex was not easy...

You've got pilots dropping like flies in Singapore and Cabin Crew walking in Australia :D

The paycut was introduced quite a while back, no union so they had no choice. At least the guys in Oz have a union and are only putting up with Management whose antics are just amusing than anything else.

Time to hire a new MD for Singapore, she is a bloody joke to the industry.

when's the audit sunstar and why the delay in the next 2 aircraft?
b.

oh dear.........

Supports about sums it up

Hmm, big teeth!

Sharks do tend to have big teeth :hmm:

Hey guys,

Anyone know the names of the Chief Pilots in Australia and Singapore?

google heckel and jeckel.

True. Vietnam, Emirates, Ethiad, Asiana and Turkish as well.

More like twenty and new CP takes over at the end of the month.

Line pilots were offered a new contract in November last year with a 10% cut. Few accepted BUT contracts are three year rather than permanent and renewals are being offered at the new terms on a "take it or leave it basis". Many are refusing to sign and are moving on.

Flights being cancelled due to lack of Captains. Current terms well below the going rate given the high cost of living in Singapore so considerable difficulty in finding replacements. No housing, school fees or tickets home

Management are reviewing the package at the moment so put your name up if interested but avoid committing until the new offer is made known.


Age not a problem with 65 retirement and the need to balance out the inexperienced f/os.

Don't join expecting to move on to Singapore Airlines, only Silk Air pilots can join directly in Singapore, others must come from abroad. Five years in Tiger before you can join Silk directly, then at least four before moving up.

Note requirement is for RATED AND EXPERIENCED CAPTAINS. F/Os currently surplus, only a senior A320 f/o with the numbers for a quick upgrade is likely to get a look in.

email [email protected] for recruitment

sounds so enticing..... :rolleyes:

So does free sex without a condom but it doesnt mean your
going to end up with the girl (or even gender) your expecting
to get....

info of salary, flight pay, etc
 

Hi Kris...

may I know the salary at tiger? for capt and fo?
I just wanna compared with Indonesian pilots.
Here, in Indonesia, capt salary average is $ 3000 - $ 3500 per month Take Home Pay, free of tax. :ugh:
That's for A 320 pilots.

Thanks in advance..

manflex

Hi guys, my apologies for side-tracking off topic.

My question is - I'm a CPL holder (not rated on type) whom would like to join Tiger. Should I fork out a sum of $$ to go do a MCC/JOC ? Would that increase my chances of selection with that certification?

Thanks

umustb.. if you have 1000 hrs TT... you can talk to them about a self funded program... you pay Tiger and they type rate you in A320 if you pass you get a job..

Keep your money in your pocket, they're not looking for F/Os at the moment unless they can be rapidly upgraded. You would need an ATPL and considerable experience, both total and on type to get a look in.

Head of training would need to be sure of your command potential as they are not looking for career first officers, so too much right seat time in a company which promotes quickly or too many employers with no progression along the way will go against you.

Emirates will look at you with 2500hrs on a modern jet and give you better pay and benefits. Command will be on a wide body but plan on around seven years before you get to sign the aircraft's legal documents.

Tiger will give a quicker upgrade and after two or three years in the left seat you can start applying for direct entry captain jobs else where. However total pay and benefits for an EK f/o are better than a Tiger captains. You choose.

Michael O'Leary has a much higher regard for his employees than the Tiger CEO, even QATAR Airway's Akbar Al Baker would be an improvement from what I'm hearing.

seems to me that no one will answer my questions.....hmm..
just wondering why?
Is Tiger as "bad" as people said?:}
M

Tiger will give a quicker upgrade and after two or three years in the left seat you can start applying for direct entry captain jobs else where. However total pay and benefits for an EK f/o are better than a Tiger captains. You choose.

well i dont think the bigger carriers (SQ/EK/CX/QR/EY) will look at you with 2-3 years with tiger as a capt for DEC.

new F/O basic with tiger i think is S$3000 with 70$ per hour of flying

cheers,

FK

SQ - Definately not, only take from Silk Air if hired in Singapore
EK - Doubtful, but you never know depending on their requirements
CX - Don't think they take DECs on the pax fleet ?
QR - Yes it has happened
EY - Definately, many ex Tiger staff in there both f/os and A320 DECs. Some of the A320 DECs now in the left seat of the A330.

Vietnam - Definately some in already, many soon joining
Hong Kong Airlines - Definately, several going DEC on A330

Captain on new contract, Basic SG$7000/month + SG$109.2/hr
Rent will be about $3000/month, private school fees $1800-2500 per child per month depending on age and school. Worlds 11th most expensive city for expats.

Depends what you make of it. If you join for a few years to get experience, accept the negatives and move on, fine. If you don't do you homework first and know what you're getting into, you will be very disappointed.

It isn't a career airline with good benefits and a union like SQ.:)

Any truth they tried to recruit some Indian pilots but were rejected when heard the pay?

Are they the lowest paid A320 drivers in Asia?

Yes, pay is not commensurate with the high cost of living in Singapore. SQ offer expat terms with housing, school fees and tickets home in recognition of this. Trade off is a five year contract which may not be renewed. Accept local terms sans allowances and you have the security of a permanent contract. Tiger give three year contracts with no extras ie pilots get the insecurity of fixed contracts with none of the benefits.

Not quite Air Asia pay less and LOCALS in Indonesia and Vietnam are way behind. However having the lowest paid pilots certainly seems to be the goal of the companys CEO. He miscalculated by imposing a pay cut on their drivers last year thinking the financial crisis meant no jobs for those wanting to move on, and an endless supply of pilots willing to fly for food to cater for expansion.

He now refuses to admit he got it wrong and pay the going rate. Flights are being cancelled almost every day, Captains are all just under the flight time limits. New aircraft are arriving later this year and new destinations are being advertised whilst the current schedule can't even be maintained.

Only the older Captains (60+ and not employable elsewhere), and recent upgrades without the experience to move into the same seat at a new company are staying.

Few first officers left who are able to be promoted, even the "career" ones are being looked at just in case.

Talk of Indonesians coming in to plug the gap but even if they all get through the training, which is doubtful given the airsafety record in that country, it still won't be enough.

Emirates will be head hunting in Singapore and KL next month. Many of Tigers F/Os will qualify with 2500hrs on the baby bus. A free apartment, widebody command in 6-7 years, full service airline benefits, party town Dubai with all those flight attendents, driving a nice car and tickets home could prove attractive to some of the guys.

Rumours of a new contract being looked at so apply if interested but do not accept the current deal, tell them to call you back when they've got a sensible offer:=

HI-how does anyone get a job with any of these carriers??? I ahve what I think is sufficient time but never seem to get a look in.....Any ideas anyone??

Hi guys,

Since this thread has everything to do with Tiger, may i ask if there is a Tiger CPP coming up?

By CPP do you mean a cadet pilot program?

thanks
 

Hi Kris.

Thank you about your info.
And about "plug the gap" with Indonesian pilots it's true.
Tiger wants to take few pilots from Mandala (which is Tiger's sister company).

M

Tiger are desperate for Captains with three flights canceled tomorrow according to the airport website.

Anyone who is considering applying should not accept the current terms, they are a race to the bottom. Sooner rather than later they will have to pay the going rate to stay in the game and it will work out more expensive than it would have been to have kept their departing crew happy and employed with them.

Awkward questions will soon be asked of those responsible as the cost of all these cancellations hits home, not to mention the bad publicity.

Some in SQ don't want the Tiger contract being used as a bench mark next time our own conditions are being negotiated.:hmm:

Hi Manflex69

What's The Offer For Mandala Pilots From Tiger And How Many Pilots Required?

G'day

Thats correct, Cadet Pilot Programme.

Tiger CPP
 

Kris is correct re Tiger. It is now a race to the bottom and the management appear to believe that they can get away with it. They are cancelling a couple of flights every day because they haven't got Captains to fly them (not because they have no passengers). That must be pretty expensive - a lot more expensive than paying their pilots a decent salary and keeping them. One captain told me that even his sim training was being cancelled to operate flights. There are Mandala pilots joining soon but Tiger is desperately short of training captains so I wonder how they'll be trained. At least four trainers have resigned with more to come and of course the Chief Pilot left a few weeks ago. Will they cut corners in training same as they are doing with salaries? Probably.

Don't forget, this is a company that has made profits for the past three years yet has never given their pilots a pay rise while the CEO gives himself a handy 10 million shares in the IPO.

Yet another case of the rich getting richer and the poor having to make do with 3K a month which won't cover your rent in Singapore. Sure go there if you're desperate but don't expect to make a living wage. Use them the same way they'll use you. If you don't need that, then stay away. In any case Jetstar is offering a better deal in Singapore so why go to Tiger when that option is open?

Emirates are here in Singapore early August (and in KL and Hong Kong) and just watch the Tiger and Jetstar guys get snapped up because they have what Emirates want and there are many ex-Tiger and ex-Jetstar guys in Emirates so the sand kaffirs know that the standard is OK.

Only when the likes of Tiger have airplanes parked on the ground for want of drivers will the bosses get sense. Many of us will drink a bevvy or two when that happens to Davis and Co. The sooner the better, so that pilots can again have a decent standard of living for their families in Singapore.