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crisp2 20th Aug 2010 09:20

strange timing!
 
How peculiar the CEO (and other shareholders) would offload a big amount of shares just after a string of good news (+4 aircraft in Singapore announced on 6th Aug, JV with Thai...) and just before the sh... hits the fan! The pilot exodus was known to them, (3 month notice period!) and most haven't left yet. It may or may not be insider's trading, but what does it say about Tiger's future?

Pullstandard 23rd Aug 2010 05:31

yep and now thai airways are reconsidering what they had just done....:ugh:

Redsteel 23rd Aug 2010 14:07

Anyone have any ideas of what the requirements to apply for tiger air are?

Tiburon peligroso 23rd Aug 2010 14:33

Shortage of pilots? Don't think so! Tiger will have 100's of hopefull's bashing down the doors.

The cycle will continue for many years to come.

Tiger will simple contract a few TRI's and TRE's on the "big bucks" to keep the training and checking steady. All while the rest of the rank and file are being screwed!

Tiger are smart, as are all the carriers these days. You will all feed off other peoples misery in the end. Sad but true.

The industry is sick and the pilots working for such carriers are only trying to survive.
Good luck.

TIMA9X 24th Aug 2010 10:15


How peculiar the CEO (and other shareholders) would offload a big amount of shares just after a string of good news (+4 aircraft in Singapore announced on 6th Aug, JV with Thai...) and just before the sh... hits the fan! The pilot exodus was known to them, (3 month notice period!) and most haven't left yet. It may or may not be insider's trading, but what does it say about Tiger's future?
Then this little Gem pops up today in the Australian press

Jet's flapping wing forced down passenger flight

which was well kept quiet! Got to giggle about the headline...the way it is written

Discount airline Tiger scraps routes, and 'breached' safety rules

TIGER Airways is in trouble, announcing it is scrapping its underperforming Queensland to Adelaide flight routes on the same day it was revealed it "breached" air safety rules over a flapping wing. A Tiger passenger jet flew for eight months with a faulty wing before the problem was fixed and reported to investigators, an air safety report reveals,
Australian Transport Safety Bureau investigators say in the report that the problem should have been reported eight months earlier when it was experienced by another pilot, forcing him to turn back and land.

In both instances the shaking disappeared when the jet was landing.

Investigators found that Tiger Airways, the operator of the aircraft, failed to comply with the Transport Safety Investigation Act by not reporting the earlier incident.

Tiger tweaks incident reporting procedures after A320 aileron fault

The aircraft's co-pilot, who looked out of the cockpit window, reported that "the left aileron was moving up and down continuously, and that the left wing was moving up and down through about 1m", says the ATSB report.
The flight crew then decided to divert the aircraft to Gold Coast.

thornycactus 24th Aug 2010 16:26


Originally Posted by FlightGlobal.com 24 August 2010
The aircraft's co-pilot, who looked out of the cockpit window, reported that "the left aileron was moving up and down continuously, and that the left wing was moving up and down through about 1m", says the ATSB report.

In order for the co-pilot to look at the left aileron, isn't he must be seating on the left hand seat? Gee...I didn't know that the co-pilot can fly on the left hand seat!

Or may be, the co-pilot viewed from the passenger cabin's window.

TIMA9X 25th Aug 2010 01:23


Or may be, the co-pilot viewed from the passenger cabin's window
LoL Or puts a whole new meaning to "crosschecking" :)

hongkongfooey 25th Aug 2010 01:23

Or maybe the copilot and captain are gay, and the copilot was sitting on the captains lap..............................not that there is anything wrong with that :E

Pullstandard 25th Aug 2010 03:01

what makes you think it could have been two males piloting the a/c? it could be either the captain and fo are girls, or both! :eek:

chairwrecker 25th Aug 2010 03:53

and here comes news from philippines

Cebu Pacific, SEAir unfurl fleet expansion

Another budget carrier, Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR) is also set to acquire two Airbus A320 to expand its capacity, allowing it to fly to regional destinations.

Carmelo Arcilla, executive director of Civil Aeronautics Board said the board approved the Seair’s lease of two Airbus A320 from Tiger Airways.

“In 2008 we already approved the lease of two Airbus from Tiger Airways but because of the global slump the program was shelved. They’re reviving it now because the market is growing and many of our airlines are looking at expanding,” Arcilla said."


News was also confirmed from SG side, but i have no link. i thought Tiger have no spare aircraft. i wonder which aircraft will they lease out? also why team up with Seair (a small niche carrier in phils)?

Do-27 25th Aug 2010 11:46

tigerrrrr
 
Hi to all!:)

Today i received an offer from Tigerrrrr :ooh:..... i am f/o looking for an upgrade :O..... the chief pilot told me if i ve the requirments i will have the chance after they s my performance......

In ur opinion......any chances?¿:rolleyes:

Thanks in advance!:ok:

airborneA320 26th Aug 2010 13:08

-Given Indonesia's shocking safety record (mostly due pilot error) one must think how much of a risk these tight-asses running the show at Tiger are taking..... I would hate to be a passenger with an Indonesian Captain and a 250 hour cadet. Sorry-



Sounds like a racist you are mrsheffield mate. There's no need to take it personally against Indonesian pilot. Yes they had major accidents in past years, but you also find exactly the same human-error caused accidents in other countries. Should the rest of asian countries say that caucasian pilots are cowboys, dangerous drivers <which is a true fact> !!

Everyone has to start from 250 hrs in their career. I could see perhaps you started yours in jungle, thus show your reasoning skill. Pathetic !!!

Immigrant 26th Aug 2010 17:46

Just wondering…what happened with all suitable F/S’s ahead of you…who already inside ??? :confused:

Or you have something special that you can step over them?? :rolleyes:

manflex69 31st Aug 2010 04:11

Mandala pilots
 
To All...

Just opened my PPrune and find the best comments I've ever knew.


@ MrSheffield........thanks for your opinion about the Indonesian Pilots.
It's true that we're lack of experience for flying outside Indonesia.
It's true that some of accident happened in our country.
But you've to know, ALL PILOTS in the world don't want to get accident or incident
NO BODY wants an accident or an incident.
We can learn something from their "story". And we don't do the same mistakes.

@skycaptain 660 and airboneA320...........thank you for your support and your "fair" comments. We're really appreciated. We're gone proofed to MrSheffield, we're not A MONKEY. We're know how to read and understand the SOP, and fly the AIRBUS in a proper way .

And don't you ever forget MrSheffield,......IF you've got thousand hours now, IT WAS started from 250 hours olso. Just remember when your started with the airlines carrier.:)

Manflex 69

unclemoj 31st Aug 2010 08:35

hey anyone knows how much the industry average pay is? How much is Tiger paying their pilots?

John Citizen 31st Aug 2010 13:12


IF you've got thousand hours now, IT WAS started from 250 hours olso. Just remember when your started with the airlines carrier
Started from 250 hours in a Cessna, the appropriate place to learn, not in an Airliner.

Had well over 5000 hours by the time I got into an Airliner.

airborneA320 31st Aug 2010 13:52

wats wrong with a low-timer flying jet in an airline ? yes you flew in c172 back in ur time til u get 5000 hrs, as jet opportunity might be scarce back then.

put aside envy emotion to these new comers, there are some good one low-timers where others might need more time to catch up. anyway, any cadetship programme in a legacy airlines also put their low-timers pilot into jet straight away once they finish off their basic and jet training. that's the normal stuff nowadays mate ... accept it !!

CubaLibre 1st Sep 2010 07:56

Started from 250 hours in a Cessna, the appropriate place to learn, not in an Airliner.

While I agree with the above wholeheartedly, in this day, age and economic imperative, it wil happen less and less.

Anyone who has operated with Indonesian pilots, into Indonesian airports with the weather, and the facilities they have to deal with, not to mention the increasing crowded skies, will see them as professionals doing their best.

It is the responsibilty of the airline they work for to see that they are trained to a sufficient standard.

Now back to the topic.

drareg 1st Sep 2010 13:44


How much is Tiger paying their pilots?
Do a search at Tiger Airways website.

They got a breakdown of how much they are paying their pilots. Hope that helps. :ok:

scubawasp 3rd Sep 2010 04:58

...and they have increased their requirements for upgrade!

flightsafety737 4th Sep 2010 17:31

Que Pasa Cabron Manflex69..
I agree with your opinion my friend..let's take a look back for awhile..
maybe MrSheffield was so jeolous with Indonesian pilot cause they can jump on into Jet aircraft with only 250 hrs flying time or maybe he still didn't get any job till now or no company will hire him as a pilot cause of his biggga mouth in his face..
@MrSheffield ..: I've come from 250hrs student pilot in Texas.USA,jump into Copilot Boeing 737-200 and i'm proud that i've passed my interview with Air Hongkong,I was accepted into Flysama(which i didn't take it) and last time on 2007,i was accepted with Qatar Airways as Copilot Airbus 330(which i didn't take it...again)..did you happy now biatchhh !!!:mad::mad::mad:

etops777 4th Sep 2010 18:12

Mr. Sheffield
 
I came from a background of general aviation. I started on the ATR 72 at around 500 hours and then was an FO on A320 at about 800 hours. Flew ATR to 747-400 and now a Capt. on B777 for a major Airlines based in the middle east.

It"s not quantity but quality of the time and training.

Sunstar320 5th Sep 2010 11:47

I see Tiger is going on a few hiring roadshows soon, Malaysia etc...

flyingsolo 6th Sep 2010 14:14

How many layover does Tiger have in a month and how stable is the roster.

Thanks

420 HB 7th Sep 2010 16:22

Tiger recruitment
 
I see that the new application form is for the A320 type rated pilots only, is there another form for the self sponsored experienced multi crew. The link for terms and conditions outlines the self sponsored type rating costs but no indication of how to apply. Any Tiger crew out there with info?

wheels_down 7th Sep 2010 22:45

why is 9V-TAN back in France 6 months after it arrived? Is it damaged..?

rit 9th Sep 2010 17:11

AirAsia has all kind of people flying for them. They never have shortage of manpower. They train people from 250 flying hours right from the beginning

I think this is incorrect info with Airasia

420 HB 9th Sep 2010 23:22

further to my earlier posting. Are there any Tiger crew that can shed some light on your crewing requirements. Experienced FO flying in Europe wanting to move onto the airbus. PM me please.

wheels_down 28th Sep 2010 11:12

Heading backwards again...
 
so the 05' deal is back on the table, what a joke.....

np727f 30th Sep 2010 19:33

330s coming to Tiger!
 
The A330 rumour is doing the rounds again, I have heard it from a few semi-sensible mouths in recent weeks. Even heard the CEO has a 330 on his desk painted in Tiger colors!

It would make sense, the SQ 330s that Airbus lent them will be free soon as the 787 hits town. Also Airasia X and J* have proven there are big profits in low cost long haul.

Get the Samsonite’s dusted off, I can feel a Toulouse type rating coming on, however knowing Tiger it will be a 1 day CCQ in Borat's motherland.:\

Does anyone know anything? I wonder if it will be seniority based, or maybe a lower package then the 320 like J* is trying to pull off?:ugh:

JMEN 1st Oct 2010 03:39

T$
 
Interesting reading! Very good coin, must make the lads there feel special.



We are currently recruiting for 7 months contract with our client based in Singapore.

The conditions and requirement are as follows:

Requirements:
Pilot ME 3000 hours
PIC on A320 1000 hours
Last flight within the last 11 months
HPL (Human Performance and Limitations ) course and exam completed
LPC/ OPC checks (2 SIM checks) completed in the last 12 months
Roster pattern and schedule:
Not a fixed pattern, minimum of 8 days off in every 28 rostered days
90 scheduled block hours per month

Other:
Accommodation allowance of S$3000 per month payable
Flights provided at the beginning and the end of the contract

Fee:
S$ 9000 in the 1st month paid via Ltd Company whilst converting your license to Singapore ATPL
S$ 18000 thereafter per month paid via Ltd Company
Overtime is payable over 90 scheduled block hours at S$200 per scheduled block hour
SIM and Interview:
SIM and interview will take place in BATC Cranebank London on 28, 29 & 30 Sep, 1 & 2 Oct

If you are interested in applying please email us at [email protected] < mailto:[email protected]> or call member of our team on 0044 1483 748252
We look forward to your feedback.

Kind regards

Flightcrew team
Morson Wynnwith Ltd
________________________
Wynnwith House
Church Street West
Woking
Surrey
GU21 6DJ
T: +44 (0) 1483 748 252
F: +44 (0) 1483 748 219
E: [email protected] < mailto:[email protected]>
W: Technical Recruitment | Wynnwith Group Limited - Recruitment Solutions http://www.wynnwith.com/>

cruisercruiser 1st Oct 2010 04:10

Rumours
 
Hi,

I've heard "rumours" that Tiger is in some kind of trouble with CAAS with their recently recruited pilots from around the region. Apparently, their standards were found wanting. As a result Tiger has delayed line training for the 200-hour pilots they took in a few months back. Also they will not be taking in anymore 200-hour pilot for the rest of the year?

Can anyone confirm this? I'm a fresh 200-hour pilot and would like to apply for Tiger. No news from them so far.

johnlenon 1st Oct 2010 06:52

TO np727f
 
HELLO NP727F

TIGER HAS CONFIRMED 20 A330, 20 A350 AND 30 A380 FOR DELIVERY BY END OF THIS YEAR.

THEY ARE GOING TO PARK ALL THESE AIRCRAFTS AT THE 10 PARKING SPACE LOW COST TERMINAL.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO CREW THE AIRCRAFTS WITH THEIR DAILY DECLINING PILOTS NUMBER.

TIGER IS PAYING PEANUTS FOR THE PILOTS FLYING A380s AND BANANAS FOR THOSE FLYING A350s AND A330s.

AND,AS THEY WISH.THEY WILL CUT YOUR SALARY AS AND WHEN THEY LIKE SO AS TO INCREASE THEIR PERSONAL BONUSES.

YES! CEO AND MD ALSO MET WITH BOEING SALESMAN TO BUY 78 B787s TO RACE WITH SIA FOR THE MARKET.

HOW IS THAT FOR YOU np727f?

Capt.Bee 1st Oct 2010 08:39

Some of you guys are pathetic! There are kids relying on the feedback from these threads! Can you be a bit more professional and responsible plz! Thk you!

bananaman2 1st Oct 2010 10:42

cruisecruiser... I heard that too. I here that any job offer will only stand if CAAS will grant you a Singaporean licence and CAAS have stoppped giving them out to 200hr non CAAS Integrated people or forced Tiger to increase their requirements (whilst 1500hrs has always been the official requirement, I know of many who got in with a lot less - as low as 200 as you say).

Besides... online application says something to the effect that, 'don't expect to receive a reply if continuing with the online application whilst not meeting the hours requirements'.

crisp2 1st Oct 2010 13:53

Tiger soaring to new heights?
 
The pilot shortage is definitely under control, with 15 departures out of 33 cancelled today... go Tiger! :E

Johnlenon forgot to mention oversized ops and training departments busy preparing for the new fleets, regulatory approvals received yesterday...

Cruisecruiser : get real!

Passenger Departures - Changi Airport

cruisercruiser 1st Oct 2010 16:04

I know of three 200-hour pilots who got into Tiger. As real as it gets bro!

johnlenon 1st Oct 2010 16:05

crisp,

DONT WORRY.TIGER CEO AND MD CHALLANGED THE PILOTS TO LEAVE THE AIRLINES WHEN THEIR PILOTS PLEAD TO THEM NOT TO CUT THEIR SALARY FEW MONTHS BACK.:ugh:

TODAY,HALF OF THE PILOTS ARE GONE/LEAVING AND NUMBER IS STILL COUNTING.:{

NOW TIGER IS OFFERING GROSS S$23000 PLUS FREE RETURN AIR TICKETS FOR CONTRACT PILOTS/OUTSIDERS TO CREW THEIR AIRCRAFTS BUT THOSE LOYAL PILOTS WHO HAVE STAYED WITH THE AIRLINES ARE BEING SCREWED FOR GETTING ABOUT S$5000 LESS THAN THE CONTRACTORS.:ooh:


THOSE PILOTS WHO HAVE STAYED SHOULD ALL RESIGN AND RE-JOIN TIGER AS CONTRACT PILOT FOR EQUAL SALARY. :ok:

ALSO,THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE IN THESE OPERATING ENVIROMENT.WOULD YOU PUT YOUR FAMILY ON THEIR AIRCRAFT? :=

THINK IS TIME FOR CAAS TO LOOK INTO TIGER'S OPERATIONS.:eek:

Shaker One 1st Oct 2010 16:16

Re: New Contracts
 
So let's get this right. Parc and Wynnwith unknowns on up to $23000 a month. Original contract guys, some of whom have given the company five years of service on about $18000 max, new contracts with the long term incentive and the poor (literally) folks from Indonesia on US$3500 ... and now Tiger are re-hiring those who've already resigned on Parc like salaries without paying the Parc like fees for doing so.

15 or 16 cancellations today due lack of Captains and they still only offer 1.5 times the flight pay to show up on a day off. Channel News Asia 'cancellations due aircraft u/s' is not even funny.

crisp2 1st Oct 2010 16:46

cruisercruiser : good luck with the job search, I don't know their current requirement, but there certainely has been low hours guys previously.
However, the training department (what's left of it) is a tiny bit overstreched at the moment to consider ab-initio; they want guy ready to hit the road so to speak.
I meant get real, they are not in a position to take new aircraft types even if they wanted to!
(just realised you didn't write about the new aeroplanes, I was refering tonp727f's post)

Johnlenon : I am not worried... I am gone! :O:):p;)


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