I see. :)

I see.



Well said. :ok:

Tiger long should have expected this.

Tiger does not train and bond pilots right from the beginning.

Taken from the Changi Airport website, Tiger Airways flight cancellations.

28/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh

29/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh
TR2794 to Manila(Clark)
TR2272 to Jakarta
TR2638 to Chennai

30/07
TR2902 to Macau
TR2152 to Phuket
TR2104 to Bangkok

At around 85% load factor that's a lot of unhappy passengers and this is occuring almost every day with 1-3 flight cancellations being the norm. Situation will only get worse in the short term as many are still working out their notice period and even more are preparing to walk if a decent offer isn't made soon.

All Singapore based pilots need either a package reflecting the city's high cost of living or a commensurately high monthly nett pay in lieu.

email
 

any one knows direct email chief pilot ????
Thanks

Just saw in another thread Tiger going to start up in Thailand. Any info?

Thai Tigers
 

Interesting

:O

TODAYonline | Business | Thai Tiger set to pounce on budget carriers

Looks like Tiger will soon get the Thai pilots to fly for them.

It is time for Tiger to buck up.

AirAsia has all kind of people flying for them. They never have shortage of manpower. They train people from 250 flying hours right from the beginning.

QUOTE FROM TODAYONLINE:

But since its initial public offering, Tiger seems to be catching up quite rapidly.

"Tiger has been performing incredibly well in the first half of the year in terms of share price, forward bookings, growth and expansion plans," said Mr Shukor.

REF FROM FLIGHT INFORMATION 02 AUGUST 2010:

TR2102 BANGKOK CANCELLED
TR2326 HO CHI MINH CANCELLED
TR2908 MACAU CANCELLED
TR2272 JAKARTA RE-TIME

ARE THE ABOVE CANCELLATIONS/RE-TIME DUE PILOTS SHORTAGE?

Mandala info
 

Hi John L,

To tell you the truth Mandala not yet offering us about the "amount".
This program what they called C to C program, which is Mandala's pilot not get same salary with tiger pilots.
Mandala surplus about pilots, and tiger surplus about aircraft.
Mandala will take "small amount" (that what they said), from our payment.

For us, this is our escape road, cause if we brake our training bond, we've to pay $88000 US. 5 years contract. will be end at Dec 2011.

Mandala can't pay us reasonable, the salary of Tiger is still better than us, and it's good experience for us (have experience to fly regional), we will take it.

So.....I hope that we can have some experience about flying regional, We don't want interfering with Tiger's pilots problems. And hope that Tiger's pilots can accept as with the warmth of Singapore way.....
:ok:

Regards...
Manflex 69

Que pasa Cabron...

wazz up
 

Hei 737....

wazz up brow..
Where have you been ?

Manf

I'm around cabron....:ok:
you guys wanna go to Tiger rite ?

Just sent my CV but hadn't worked out how bad S$3000 really is. They are taking the p@#s!:eek:

So you'll take the job? 3k SGD isn't going to get you much. Anyway its your choice.

4 cancelled flights today I see.

Flight cancellations
 

10/08
2182 KRABI
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
11/08
2326 HOCHIMINH
2632 CHENNAI
2104 BANGKOK
12/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
13 /08
2636 CHENNAI
14/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2908 MACAU
2794 CLARK

Anybody can update this list from the very begining of captains exodus?

Nothing yet on the newspapers!!

begining of pilot exodus?
 

A friend in the HR department with Tiger said pilots have already exodus(ted)!

Heard all in all about 25 left/leaving the company and more will follow.However Tiger will get cheap inforcement pilots from Indonesia for a fraction of the salary the Tiger pilots are getting.

Cheap trick by the cheap CEO and cheap MD of Tiger.

Given Indonesia's shocking safety record (mostly due pilot error) one must think how much of a risk these tight-asses running the show at Tiger are taking..... I would hate to be a passenger with an Indonesian Captain and a 250 hour cadet. Sorry

Tiger Airways
 

Condemning All Pilot
 

I like your style! You are condemning the Indonesian pilots! :)

I can see MrSheffield implying that these Indonesian pilots are not capable at all. Right?

No.1 As a passenger, you have no choice to choose who are the pilots!

No. 2 There are many airlines in this world that employ 250 hours pilots. E.g. AirAsia, MAS, SIA, Cathay Pacific, Air India, NWA, Emirates, and etc. A 250 hours pilot must start at a point in airline career! Otherwise, how do that gain airline experience without a headstart? Also, I have never seen all 250 hours pilots are bad!

No. 3 By the way, Tiger has stop employing 250hours pilots at this time!

Yes I am stereo-typing, but I am going by their accident history. How about that 737 Garuda crash? Very disgusting competencies displayed by the Captain and a gutless First Officer who did not assume command. I doubt a 250 hour cadet would have acted any different.

Is Tiger made with iron or flesh?
 

Hi,

Tiger Airways management should recruite the best pilots they can find, pay them accordingly to the market and cost of living in singapore, no matter where they are from. Make sure they are trained properly and make sure their standard and spirit remain high.

The best assets of the company is the people not the planes or buildings or computers and furnitures. The company is neither a serie of figures, cost and profit.The creme of the creme of the company is the working force, the human beings and the energy they bring to it. Show respect and tell them you are proud of them and they will do the rest.

I have never seen "Tiger's General" taking pictures with his troups or sharing time with them. I even don't know if he is flying with Tiger Airways sometimes. To be honest i will not go to battle with him and this is the bottom of the problem.

Cancellation update
 

10/08
2182 KRABI
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
11/08
2326 HOCHIMINH
2632 CHENNAI
2104 BANGKOK
12/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
13 /08
2636 CHENNAI
14/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2908 MACAU
2794 CLARK
15/08
2902 MACAU
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2636 CHENNAI
16/08
2454 KUALA LUMPUR
2104 BANGKOK
2908 MACAU

All these cancellations are from Changi Airport website, still no news in the newspapers.

Everything is money
 

Need money!

Training cost is high!

Then, Tiger Aiways no longer be budget! :ugh:

Tiger
 

Hi can anyone who actually flies for Tiger tell me what the situation regarding recruitment is? particularly the self sponsored route for experienced turbo prop pilots. any info on contracts, salary etc..

Not at this time
 

Tiger has self sponsored scheme. :) You have turbo-prop time will be good!

Unfortunately, as you can read in the forum, they have problem right now,. Everybody is jumping out of the sinking boat. Everything is going to be a mess internally. :uhoh:

If they have a TRI, and everything stablised then, probably they will train people again.

Can Anyone Confirm Tiger Is A Public Listed/public Share Holder Company Now?

How Could The Share Holders Accept Those Flight Cancellation(money Lost) Skycaptain Mentioned?

The Public/share Holders,due To Their Investment In Tiger Will Not Be Happy To Know The Situation,unless They Are In The Dark.

The Staff Of Tiger Should Tell The Public And The Press The Truth And The Fact Of This Mis-management Of The Airline By Its Ceo/md.

The Solution To Tiger's Problem = Change Of Ceo!

The flight cancellations as stated on the Changi Airport website are not accurate. Those flights are not scheduled on that day and they list them as "cancelled". Because Tiger has flights to certain cities on different days and at different timings each day, the airport website does not continuously reflect the correct schedule for each and everyday so if that flight happens not to be scheduled, they list them as "cancelled".

Hi,

My understanding of the system (but i can be wrong) is that an Airline need to plan long time before and what appears in the Changi website is the long term schedule. Today 16th of August Tiger was planning 27 flights, they cancelled 2 flights long time ago 2104 to Bangkok, 2908 to Macau and cancelled 2454 to Kuala lumpur recently for operational raison. 2104 & 2908 were not in Geneva but 2454 was.

Out of 27 flight, at this moment of the day Tiger will flight only 24, 3 cancellation for today.

Funny, I keep looking and the airport web site seems to only have cancelations by Tiger. Now why is that? All the other airlines seem to be able to crew their aircraft (some with your staff that you can't keep)!

I know you management people from Tiger are watching these forums, and trying to defend your incompetence, let us all hear some more of your feeble excuses...

If tiger people are reading this forum,

HIRE ME!! HIRE ME!!

singaporean with A320 ratings, will work for peanuts, cheaper than mandala pilots.

PM me.

Sao Io SPo

You Are Right. 1 Pilot From Tiger Crossing To Jetstar And 5 Pilots Went For Interview And Crossing Soon But Non From Jetstar To Tiger.

21...22...23 Pilots Leaving Tiger...24...25...26...still Counting...

''If tiger people are reading this forum,

HIRE ME!! HIRE ME!!

singaporean with A320 ratings, will work for peanuts, cheaper than mandala pilots.

PM me.''

WHORE!

Wazzok!!!

Yer that will mean you are just the right person for the job.
If you were confident about yourself and your future command potential, you would demand a proper wage.

Tough Tiger
 

How dare you!

Bad news for you, Tiger will not change CEO! Tiger is tough, not a pussycat! :=

You are smart. Tiger will sure give no comment.

Do not show "desperate" when coming to any job application. Tiger already knew who you are, you are the only Singaporean armed FAA ATP with A320 type-rated.

Many Malaysian Chinese and Hong Kee (especially the low timers) applied. They are just like you, willing to work for free.

Unfortunately, Tiger's TRI is still not ready. Also, resources are expensive.
That's rude. :=

Everybody will do the same.

This is the issue employing foreign expats. Demanding proper wages, not satisfy with pay cut, instigating other pilots to go strike quietly and etc.

CAAS should one day become CAAC, barring the expat pilots one by one.

Quote:"CAAS should one day become CAAC, barring the expat pilots one by one."

Very small print, why so small Thorny?

Let's blow it up so all can see

CAAS should one day become CAAC, barring the expat pilots one by one.

Very Xenophobic of you..

Do the moderators of these forums condone racists post?

The Indian national hated the foreigners. They are extremely xenophobic!

The Aussie in Qantas is even more xenophobic! Also, the British Airways is worst than xenophobic. :}

Nothing to do with race in my previous messages if you were to read carefully.

I like your style! :D

Thorny,

Why Not You Contribute Notes To The Thread Instead Of Commenting On The Folks Whom Wrote?

We Did Not Ask For Your Comment.

Finally The STory Is Out
 

The Straits Times Interactive

Aug 19, 2010


Tiger axes flights in midst of pilot shortage


Experts say industry upturn could worsen manpower squeeze
By Karamjit Kaur


A PILOT shortage has forced budget carrier Tiger Airways to axe flights in recent weeks.

In the four days up to yesterday, it cancelled at least 10 flights to destinations such as Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Chennai in India, going by information on Changi Airport's website.

A key cause of the shortage, one likely to affect other airlines as well, is the strong recovery in the aviation industry, which is jacking up demand for cockpit crew.

The Straits Times understands that Tiger has lost more than 20 of its pilots in a wave of resignations since June.

With airlines riding on the recovery to go on hiring sprees, it has become a job hunter's market not only for flight crew, but also for aircraft engineers and technicians.

Remuneration varies from airline to airline, but anecdotal evidence suggests that the Tiger pilots who have left are earning up to 30 per cent more in their new jobs.

To ease the manpower crunch, Tiger, which has about 100 pilots left, has turned to Indonesia's Mandala Airlines for short-term help. Both are partly owned by the United States-based investment firm Indigo Partners.

When contacted, neither carrier would confirm the pilot transfers.

Of the flight cancellations, Tiger's spokesman pointed out that an airline may disrupt services not just because of a manpower squeeze, but also for reasons such as safety and technical issues.

The spokesman said that despite the current shortfall, the airline is confident of attracting new pilots to support its growth.

Another airline hit by the buoyant job market is Philippine Airlines. As many as 25 pilots have walked out, some without serving their required termination notices, to join other carriers.

Experts warn the manpower crunch could worsen.

The training arm of aircraft maker Boeing, which runs 17 campuses globally, estimates that 448,000 new pilots will be needed in the next 20 years to support fleet growth and to replace retiring pilots.

About a third are expected to be based in the Asia-Pacific, said its chief customer officer, Mr Roei Ganzarski. There are now about 170,000 pilots worldwide.

The Asia-Pacific spokesman for the International Air Transport Association (Iata) Mr Albert Tjoeng, said: 'The shortage of aviation professionals has always been a concern for the industry...While the economic downturn may have brought a temporary reprieve to the situation, the shortage of aviation professionals is a long-term issue.'

To address this, Iata is working on several initiatives, including new and more efficient pilot training programmes, and looking into making the industry more attractive to those joining the workforce.

All airlines contacted by The Straits Times said they are actively recruiting.

Dubai-based Emirates plans to hire more than 700 first officers and an unspecified number of aircraft engineers in the next 1-1/2 years. Cathay Pacific, which has announced plans to add more flights to Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France and Japan, said recruiting new pilots is not an issue, a shortage of engineers is.

A spokesman for Tiger Airways' rival Jetstar said staff attrition rates are normal, and noted that the group has more than 80 new pilot vacancies to fill.

It recently launched a new cadet pilot training programme, which aims to take in up to 70 applicants in the first year.

Malaysia Airlines, which has about 1,500 pilots, 4,000 cabin crew, 3,000 aircraft technicians and 800 engineers, is looking to hire another 200 pilots and 450 cabin crew next year and the year after, said director of operations Mohamed Azharuddin Osman.

He said: 'We have a ready supply of co-pilots, cabin crew, aircraft engineers and technicians. However, it is getting quite challenging to recruit captains.'

On whether salaries are expected to increase as manpower demands intensify, the airlines contacted said they will continue to offer staff competitive packages.

In the end though, it is not just about the money, said Captain Azharuddin: 'While salaries are important, employees are now looking at a holistic package which includes the working environment and the country where the airline is based.'

[email protected]

Vacancies to fill

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES: As many as 25 pilots have joined other carriers.

EMIRATES: Plans to hire more than 700 first officers and an unspecified number of aircraft engineers in the next 18 months.

CATHAY PACIFIC: No problem recruiting pilots, but cites a shortage of engineers.

JETSTAR: Has more than 80 new pilot vacancies to fill.

MALAYSIA AIRLINES: Looking to hire another 200 pilots and 450 cabin crew next year and the year after.

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how true is this report and how much can we believe what is reported..

only time will tell ..:yuk:

CEO share sell off. Who would have bloody guessed.

Poor folks in Adelaide. Screwed again :D