Character
 

TAC convenientely edited his post after my reply! And then erased his answer to my post, the same day.
What a clown! He don't stand by his own words.
This bozo deserve zero credibility.:ugh:

In case anyone is interested Jet Airways is Directly hiring 777 TRI / TRE / Line Captain

More details have a look here

Jet Airways | Careers

Candidates should be an Expatriate Captain and should possess current Foreign License, ATPL and Class I Medical. Candidates applying should be below 64 years of age.



Whaaaaat! No value sala!

Guess no Air India guys jumping in here then. Thank you SWIP :}

Well said VG...
 

JA isn't serious about looking for B777 captains.
After 8 months advertising on 5 different agencies they got only a handful of either family haters or desperates...
On the other side you're right on the money: nobody would leave a current job to join JA, for the reasons you mentioned.

Show me the pictures and show me the proof. Hear say does not cut it folks:=.

Can any B777 expat corroborate these allegations?

It has been two weeks since the notice of update of improved conditions was posted. Any news???

Latest on T & C's from a Jet Airways recruiter.

TRE – 6000 Total Hours including Total PIC 3000hrs & 1250 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.

TRI – 6000 Total Hours including Total PIC 3000hrs & 1000 hrs on type as PIC with a minimum of 50 hrs instructional experience on type.

Line Captain – Total of 6000hrs with 3000 hours as total PIC & minimum of 700 hours in command on type. Maximum age at application is 64 yrs and Jet Airways are accepting last flown date within the last 2yrs at the time of approving the application.

SCREENING PROCESS:

Jet Airways will be responsible for all costs associated with short-listed Crew Members attending a screening/selection process. The costs will include air tickets, ground transportation and accommodation.

Screening is followed by a Pre-medical test as per Jet Airways’ new procedure for which the Captains are required to stay in Mumbai for 5-6 nights if they clear the screening, before they travel back to their hometown. Pre-medical will be conducted by Jet Airways.

TERMS & CONDITIONS:

Contract Length:

THREE YEAR contract subject to Indian DGCA approval (for 3yr contract you must be under age of 62 at time of joining)

Monthly Salary (NET):

TRE - $12,500USD/month

TRI - $12,000USD/month

Line Captain - $11,000USD/month

Overtime Payment:

$150USD/hour (NET) over & above 80hrs/month

Base:

Istanbul, Turkey

Initially everyone is brought into Mumbai to complete training and when they are released on line they will be based in Istanbul. They will be brought back to Mumbai for their Air law exam, Indian medical and simulator prof checks every 6 months. All the Pilots block off travel will mostly be on TK directly from Istanbul so that they do not waste time in travelling up and down from Mumbai.

Current Crew Roster Pattern:

6 weeks ON/2 weeks OFF

Leave:

15 days paid leave in 12 months (pro-rated for any part of the year)

Sick Leave:

10 days sick leave in 12 months

License Renewal/Medical/Proficiency:

The Crew Member is responsible for renewing their license, medicals and proficiency from the jurisdiction of the licensing authority of the crew member’s home country. This is to be taken in consultation with the Airline and the Crew Member. This period is included in the Annual Leave period mentioned above.

Accommodation:

Jet Airways shall provide you with hotel accommodation for the initial 30 days on your arrival in India, during this period, you are expected to source your own accommodation. After the said period, and on your sourcing accommodation, Jet Airways will pay you a compensation of Rs1.00 Lac per month (net of taxes) towards your apartment. Wherever necessary Jet Airways will assist you in sourcing the accommodation and also by releasing a sum of not exceeding Rs5.00 Lacs towards security deposit for your apartment. The said deposit will be recovered from your salary in 10 equated monthly installments

TMU Policy:

If a crew member is temporarily medically unfit while on duty with Jet Airways, he is entitled for 70% of his monthly salary only after exhausting all his accrued / accumulated leave for a maximum period of 6 months. Services of pilots remaining under TMU status beyond the period of 6 months shall be put on ‘Leave without Pay’ till the time the pilot is declared fit by the competent authority or end of employment contract whichever is earlier.

Accident Insurance:

Jet Airways will insure a crew member on a 24 hour basis against risk of death or personal injury by accident for a sum of Rupees Eighty lacs fifty five thousand (Rs 80,55,000/-) which can be revised from time to time as per company policy.

Loss of License Insurance:

A crew member’s ALTP license will be insured by Jet Airways for Rupees Sixty Lacs (Rs 60,00,000/-) against the risk of “Loss of License” on medical grounds.

Mediclaim Coverage:

A crew member and his qualifying family members are entitled for a total Mediclaim coverage up to Rupees 10 lacs per annum, provided the hospitalization expenses are incurred in India alone. Hospitalization expenses outside India are not covered.

Travel Benefits:

Jet Airways shall make travel benefits available to the Crew Member and his qualifying family members, including ID travel, according to Jet Airways’ current policies.

Initial Travel:

The Airline shall arrange and pay for the costs of positive space economy class air tickets for the Crew Members’ travel from their Home Residence to the Base Residence at the beginning of the contract and from the Base Residence to their Home Residence at the completion of the Assignment Period.

Excess Baggage:

Each Crew Member will be reimbursed the cost of excess baggage allowance of 50 kgs at commencement and termination of assignment.

Taxation:

Jet Airways will be responsible for taxation in India

Non-Compete:

Unless dismissed by Jet Airways or contract terminated by mutual agreement, Pilot may not be assigned to another airline in India for a period of 12 months unless this is waived in writing by Jet Airways.

If interested, please apply online with your CV making sure it contains the following information:

1) Date of Birth, Nationality

2) Total flying hours till date

3) Total PIC

4) PIC on B777

5) Date last flown

NEW INFORMATION ON RECURRENCY TRAINING:

It has been decided by the Jet Airways Management that they will take care of the expenses involved in undergoing recency training for B777 Captains who have not flown for more than 1 year subject to the following:

1. Submission of Course completion certificate from Approved TRTO (Approved by the Licencing authority of the Captain)
2. Verification from the Licencing authority to the effect that he has a valid B777 PIC rating and his IR is current
3. Reimbursement will be done after the Captain joins Jet Airways and on submission of original receipt from the TRTO /Proof from the Captain having paid the billed amount .
4. Re-currency training to be done only after successful completion of screening,
5. Cost involved for the training to be intimated to Jet Airways and approval to be obtained from Jet Airways prior to commencement of Training .

NOTHING NEW
 

This has been offered since 6 months ago...:confused:

Good to see they are making progress. Unbelievable. Can't understand why they can't recruit 777 drivers.

SIMPLE!
 

They aren't serious about their 777 recruitment plans.:ugh:

Vortex
 

1 - Credibility problems? Oh yes. A lot. They hired many dozens of expats to just furlough all of them in a short time. The "loyalty bonus" is as credible as their promised great contract, which lured dozens of 737 captains and irresponsibly fired all after just a few months.

2 - Do they think expats are bunch of old fools and greedy MF? Oh, a big YES.

They need to get serious or will crash more loudly than KingFisher.

True!
 

Spot on, Marvel.

As always Jet benefit from a group that don't have the slightest self respect.
Despicable cheap prostitutes ( no intention to offend the prostitutes) would be a good definition for the majority of this group.

Worse, they lowered the bar for everybody else who actually NEED decent terms and conditions. :mad:

Too much sugar in the lad's diet, me thinks.:cool:

I'm shocked , are people saying there is unprofessional / corrupt Indian pilots trying to pull a scam?



Nothing new !!

Have dealt with some in the past few years,Parker pen pilots who are full of themselves . They need to be weeded out before an accident .

So far Jet doing a preofessional job
 

Was there last week in Mumbai. Jet flights bach-n-forth worked just fine. Arriving & transport to the hotel in BOM no issue. Hotel itself decent enough with breakfast & one buffet meal included (so flights & hotel paid for). In the sim, 3 from 7 failed the screening over two days. Two Jet CP's present, very pleasant, cordial & fair. I had no problems, my partner did get 2 repeats and even after that was given a GREEN LIGHT to proceed to the medicals (if you fail the screening no medical naturally). Two day medical (they provide transport & pay for all costs there) right afterwards (so you are there for min. 3 days) - same as performed in China, very detailed, way more specific then the FAA or EU. I suggest you have a full ultra sound of your heart (2D) and stomach area (liver, spleen, etc.), CBC and Liver Function Test prior to going to aovid any surprises. From those medical results, 2 from 3 candidates had follow up issues after returning to their home countries. That means re-tests, a letter from your Doc, re-submission to the Jet Doc, if he OK's, then a contract. So from 7 only one made it clean thru without complications :-)
Looking for 100 CPs!

Believe it or not, yes even in India there's a sane reason for the extensive medical evaluation during one's assessment in Bombay.

Around October 2010 Indian Pilots won the battle in court, requiring all expats flying with FATAs must submit to the Indian Medical, which is conducted by the Indian Air Force.

The first group of expats submitted to the medical procedure in January 2012, resulting in a fairly a high failure rate. Not only with Jet Airways crews, but with Indigo, Spice Jets, and Air India Express as well.

Expats, like locals, go to a hospital in their base town, and submit to "Pre-medical" The initial pre-medical includes Resting EKG, Stress Test, X-Ray, Full Blood work, and Ultra Sound. All reports are "Purple Stamped" by the hospital doctors and or lab technicians. Before proceeding off to Bangalore, the Company Doctors, also add their "Purple Stamp" the medical reports. Problem was, in 2012, the doctors stamped the reports, knowing that numbers were not within the parameters. Thus off the expat goes to Bangalore... doomed for problems with the Air Force Medical. If there are issues found by the medicos in then off he/she goes to the Malipar Hospital for further study, and reports on deficiencies. Then back to the Air Force Facility with the results. Thumbs up, one gets their medical certificate. Thumbs down, one gets to go home on a TMU (Temporary Medical Unfit) Status.

The bad or good news about a TMU??? time off, to resolve one's issues or seek employment elsewhere, with 70% pay for the period not to exceed, now 6 months. Other carriers sent their crews packing without TMU pay. I believe Jet Airways still provides for TMU pay, versus Spice, Air India Express, which do not.

The Indian Air Force, like China uses their own guide lines, and parameters which margins, perhaps may be narrower than other countries.

Thus the reason for the medical assessment by Jet Airways.

Should added that caveat to the TMU OBP...

Cheers:ok:

A Mate of mine has recently been hired by Jet Airways on the 777. He applied through DPI and was very happy with the whole process.:ok:
So they are still taking guys on the 777

Jet Airways is not reimbursing for visa expenses to fly to Mumbai, and the carrot that they are putting out they will cover and pay recurrent training is misleading. After you attend they offer you a contract than you have to go and find a local TRTO organization and pay for the recurrent out of pocket. It is only after you complete training at Jet than they will reimburse your out of pocket expense so on average guys are waiting two to three months. I was upset getting stiffed on not getting reimbursed for the visa that was almost three hundred euros.

Working for Jet Airways
 

Hi all

Wondered if anyone could give me some information about working for Jet Airways and what its ACTUALLY like.

If anyone could PM me and we could exchange emails for a good chat and some more details.

Many Thanks Everyone

Four Words....
 

I told you so.

Having worked there several years ago, nothing has changed.

As soon as the ink is dry on your contract, the game changes. And; this is probably just the start.

As a result, you all will be: :ugh:

No More to Tell....
 

Except, I do feel sorry for those guys and gals in our profession who NEED a job. Those who are double dipping their pensions, I don't feel sorry for and the whining is more from the latter than the former. Furthermore; it is the double-dippers who are actually making more of a mess of the contract system than those who are legitimately trying to feed their families and look after their loved ones.

The only way to be a contract pilot is have the guts to cut the ties while working for any of the legacies, get rid of your pension and all the fancy benefits, and experience what real work is all about.

Contract flying is NOT on your bargaining terms gentlemen. Contract flying is ACCEPTING THEIR terms. As a career contract pilot I had to understand that.

A contract pilot see him/herself as not being treated fairly most of the time. Whats fair? The union environment won't protect an expat contract pilot and furthermore, being a member of IFALPA won't help you one bit.

That said however; those contract pilots who have 'bitten the bullet' and decided to become a career contract pilots have been some of the best guys/gals that I've ever worked with.

Being a contract pilot is not easy work. Its hard. We are evaluated differently and we have to prove ourselves every day. The local pilots hate us and the contract agencies don't give a darn about us once the deal is signed with them. They don't care. They're getting their money each month.

A contract pilot is 'on call' 24/7, despite what the piece of paper says. A local always has the 'protection' and can do whatever they want. Book off..call an Expat to do the work. Easy. A local can get away with a lot of things that we contract pilots can't. They know it. We have no leg to stand on.

At the end of the day, though, there is a day of reckoning.

I have a long memory and there are some situations that I wouldn't ever consider getting back into even if I receive a personal email from the GM, asking me to come back.

I really wish things were different in the aviation world, especially for those good guys and gals who really need the work. Unfortunately, our world is fraught with employers who want to take everything and see that a meagre wage and the chance to fly their big heavy iron is enticing. To some, it is.

If I had the bucks and a few years left, I'd apply for an AOC and get the job done right.

Thoughtfully envisioned route/route structure
A commitment to air safety at any cost
A quality system that works
A team of TRIs who know what they are talking about and don't think that teaching is asking a bunch of useless questions.
A scheduling system that works and a team of schedulers who actually know what they are doing.
A cadré of flight crew who are keen to work, work hard and know that if they put their time in, they will get something back at the end of the month.
A set of Cabin Crew who are well trained, are respected by the flight crew and who are not afraid to talk to their management for fear of being punished for not wanting to take abuse.

I could go on and on.

If you sign the contract, you have to accept it. No negotiating. In fact, trying to negotiating a contract will only meet with an affront. It means that the company is actually on the right track and they see that they are doing the right thing...they are making money and all is well.

My regards to all of you who are trying to work in the environment but sadly this is a story that will continue to be replayed, over and over.

There are choices.

You are so full of it Just like all the othe head hunters like Parc and Sigma pumping up Jet AirAirways we are tired of drinking the cool aid jerk off.
I just came from there and was not impressed after being lied to and mislead.

1. I was just given economy tickets two days before the interview so I had to pay top dollar for an airline ticket to the gateway. Mind you I had been waiting eight weeks for a damn interview date all about disorganized. My seats were in the last row next to the lavatory arrived at the hotel the Ramada Inn at one am in the morning and told at the front desk to be down stairs in five hours for a pick up. Talk about arriving fresh to Mumbai for an Interview.
And I was not reimbursed for my airline ticket 700 euros.
2. Any one that tavels to India needs to get a Visa well the Head hunters say that you get reimbursed for that and you dont plan on spending three hundred Euros out of your pocket for that.
3. And the most arrogant lie is they will pay for training is false the contract states that you have to go find your own training that offers training go do the recurrent pay for everything including the training, airfare, hotel and meals than after about three months after you are all checked out on the line only than you get paid what a crock of crap. JET AIRWAYS is pay to fly training for a wide body.
Any one thinking of going over don't waste your time your only going to waste your money for nothing and not get reimbursed, there are better options out there these fly by night head hunters need to run for the hills and the airline needs to open up its check book.

Head Hunters....
 

Yup...the best employment agency is the one that is out of business. These people have no interest in looking after the pilot's interests. Once they have you signed...they get paid...and..the rest of the problems are yours.

Never again...

Jet Airways 777 Lease
 

Morning Chaps

I'm hearing something similar to what's being said here. I don't think EY have yet decided officially what they will be doing with them. We have heard that they will be deployed on the YYZ and ORD routes. I'd imagine maybe this will be due to the close proximity of the pair and Jet will be able to open a North America Base. But who knows!

Wondered if anyone could confirm how many will be coming to AUH? And what will be happening with the rest of them? Will they still be staying on the DEL/BOM-LHR route?

OMAA

Hi Massager
 

I know from at least 3 folks that got reimbursed from the retraining costs (15ish K) just 2 weeks after signing the dotted line.
As per the ticket for the interview they are very clear about reimbursing up to 1k USD, which they honored as well.
And for your seat preference, sorry, but I dont think anyone nowadays will offer you a confirmed business seat for an interview, except maybe KAL.
But this is another story.
I wont call JET a bunch of liars.
Of course MANY things could be improved, beginning with the rotation itself.

Lastly, simulators can have problems on any single airline in the world.:ugh:

Latest rumours from various places seem to indicate that all IST based contract crew will be moved to AUH in June 2014..Jet A/C will then operate to The U.S. East Coast, five more 777s coming as well, with the possibility of a base on The U.S. East Coast, shades of 2007...:)

If I were to consider it they need to improve the contract. Four on, four off might be good. Confirmed business class upgradeable to first would be nice for the commute . A validation on my UAE ATP without having to do the Indian medical would be a bonus.

Imagination
 

NG KAP

wishful thinking would be an understatement ..........gettin tired of the VOBL visits

Wishful thinking indeed. The carrot is North American basing but other things also need to be good. They wrote me and told the rotations were 6 weeks on, 3 weeks off, not bad, but there were a few other things I am not happy with. Maybe market forces will make them improve some of the little things.
Don't get VOBL's, some BOM and DEL on the freighter though :):)

Your are right on they half the management there does not care for expats I got the cold shoulder you hold out your hand introducing yourself and they will not give you the time of day. I was there with two other captains one from Spain and the other the USA and they felt the same way about it.

My assessment
 

I will completely disagree with the above post. I have just finished my assessment and I have never felt more welcome. I am from the US and have lived in the sandpit for over 7 years and it was refreshing to see handshakes all around, several other company check rides were going on and I was introduced to everyone and they were very receptive to me. It is nice to see relaxed check airmen and a friendly atmosphere in the sim. Good luck to anyone else going over. See you in ORD or JFK!

I wonder if Jet accepts Captains NTR on B777, but with +10k TT?

Gerifalt asks Per Jet the 700 PIC in type is a DGCA requirement. Many current Jet 737 expats made the same enquiry.

While not EY or 9W, there are airlines that hire into the triple without time on type. KAL, for example, will hire DECs provided they have previous wide body experience within a specified period of time.

request for info
 

Can anyone presently operating the Jet Airways lease to Turkish airline kindly pm me, I need the job and am slated to start and need genuine facts and figure both about conditions of lease, istanbul pay, commuting and hotels please

Well they are sure as he'll not trying to damn hard I was there and they shot three captains flying with well known other carriers, and to boot they don't reimburse you any visa expenses which anyone that goes over has to shell out over three hundred Euros and the plane ticket to get to there gateway.
It's not worth pissing away all that money for an outfit that is wishy washy.

All these recruiting agencies are so full of it painting this operation all rosy hell they could sell ice to an Eskimo.

Didn't like the 8 weeks on 2 weeks off deal.

I used to work for Jet in 2007-2010, was in first batch of 777 drivers who join Jet in March 2007, so I guess, I can answer some of your questions regarding past experience with Jet. Also I was in BOM a few weeks ago on the layover and spoke to Mr. Menon - GM Planning at Jet about this US bases contract. So I can give you first hand information. It's another story if you can trust everything he said, it's "Incredible India" after all, but in my experience K.B.Menon was one of the most straightforward, knowlegible and fair of all those Jet officials who dealed with expats.


Can Jet back up the promise of three year renewable contracts - is there any law or regulation prohibiting them from extending a three year contract.
Jet, in 2007, offered us a 3 year renewable contracts with 12 days on/9 days off roster, 30 days annual leave and 5 star accommodation, but after being hit quite badly in 2008 crisis with the fuel prices skyrocketed, Jet gradually reduce annual leave to 15 days and hotel quality went down considerably. Also it was a 15 days delay in paychecks but they restored it back to normal after about a year. The rest of the contract was honored to the last letter until Jet dry leased 777 to THY and THAI to survive, and terminated our contracts. For the last 3 months we were sitting at home, fully paid, doing nothing but just waiting for further developments. So I can say that Jet treated me quite fair. If I missed something, whoever has a better memory, please feel free to correct me. Anyway, now with all the UAE money backing them, Jet is in much better financial shape and plans to expand dramatically with AUH hub. Menon told me that JFK, EWR and ORD bases will be operated for sure and after they evaluate initial results, plans are to expand further. The only thing which might remotely limit 3 year contract is a deadline set by Indian government to get rid of expats in Indian Aviation by the end of 2016. But I've already lived through 2 deadlines before. Everybody in aviation community here understand that this is a trick to pacify general public and unions and deadline would be extended again and again for another at least 10 years.


One of its shareholders prefers to have its pilots based in its home country.
No idea what you talking about. You are employed by Indian Airline which pays Indian taxes on your behalf, and your base would be wherever your contract with this Indian Airline states.


Jet, to my knowledge, have 10 B773ERs. Are they going to stay in Jet registrations or will they be wet leased to one of its shareholders.
It'll be Indian registration, so you'll require a Indian validation-FATA and Indian medical. Also it'd be Indian DGCA FDTL rules.


Does anyone have practical experience with the reciprocal tax treaty?
Yes, actually it works quite good with Revenue Canada. Each month you'll get a statement with all your salary numbers including Indian taxes paid on your behalf and by the end of the year you'll get a summary of all numbers. Also you'll get a plastic card with Indian taxpayer number. All that paperwork was quite sufficient to deal with Revenue Canada and after minor adjustments from their side I only did paid the difference- a few %, roughly 2-3 grands a year. In US it works pretty much the same way with some local particularities( talk to your tax advisor). As far as I know, our EU friends, Aussies and Kiwis were quite happy also.


Does anyone have practical knowledge of how the rosters worked in the past, and how they might, or are proposed to work with these contracts. If you operate out of your base, there's 28 hours, and that leaves 52 for the rest of the month. Unless they plan to leave you in a hotel (cost) or put you on night turnarounds, it would seem that you could have quite a bit of time off during your six weeks on.
Menon told me that it'd be only JFK-AUH-JFK run, 4 days on( including 26 hours of flying +48 hours layover at AUH) / 5 days off at JFK(DGCA FDTL requirements). Then repeat. Hotel at AUH and either hotel or $1800 per month allowance at JFK, your choice. After 5 roundtrips (45 days) you'll have two weeks at home. That's the general idea but reality could be a bit different.


Hopefully I was able to answer some of your questions and to put some clarity on overall situation there. Good luck.

Newest Jet airways info..
 

I just got this email from from FCI (flight crew international) It seems Jet has added a nice housing allowance on top of the contract...se you boys in May!
I have done the screening and have been hired so if you need any more info that I haven't put on here before please pm me..
Dear Captain,

We are pleased to inform you that Jet Airways is now offering USD 19,500.00/year in housing allowance for B777 Captains based in JFK, ORD, and AUH.

This will increase your guaranteed annual pay to USD 175,500.00/net + Per Diem + Overtime.

Please send us your CV with your B777 flying experience if you would like to attend screenings.

Reminder, this is a commuting contract and Captains will have the choice of being based at any of the following locations:

1) New York (JFK)
2) Chicago (ORD)
3) Abu Dhabi (AUH)
4) Mumbai (BOM)
5) Istanbul (IST) – till end of June 2014 (completion of wet lease with Turkish Airlines)

Attached please find the full contract details. The contract highlights are as follows:

§ US $175,500.00/net annual pay + per diem + overtime
§ Taxes in India paid on your behalf – USA & many countries have a Double Taxation Avoidance Treaty with India
§ 6 weeks ON / 3 weeks OFF – you can have two periods of such roster as you can pair your annual leave with your days-off in one week increments
§ Days-off do not include travel time
§ 3-year Renewable Contract
§ Fly up to the age of 65
§ Travel on Jet Airways, Etihad, and Turkish Airlines on days-off + Allowance for your Commute Home
§ Maximum time away from base only 2-3 days

Thank you and kind regards,

Aasiya Shaikh
Flight Crew International
T: 1-214-705-7979
F: 1-214-705-7927
E: [email protected]
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