Air India to turn to expat pilots sacked by Jet Airways
 

Jet Airways has terminated contracts of no less than 72 employees. Depending on their contracts the termination period is either 1 or 3 months. The number is comprised of those deemed temporarily medically unfit... those in initial training... those on unpaid leave... those on part time contracts. Then ATR and B-737 pilots.

The feeling among the remaining is more will be terminated after the monsoon season.

Air India Express has contracted with Rishworth Aviation to provide them with pilots. I don't think pilots will not be employed directly by AI EX... they will be merely leased to AI EX by Rishworth who will be paid a sum of dollars/ruppees/bazookums or whatever currency for each crew member supplied.

Rishworth will in turn pay their employee/pilot. That is why no per diem or crew transport or health benefits nor loss of license insurance... not to mention other perks.

Perhaps someone who has bitten the bait from Rishworth can share some information.

Might use them on some new routes... Their long term plan is or was to get rid of the 777 and replace with A330 (777 being too large)

They have some further A330 on order, so might be to sub in for them until they arrive.

Not flying the 777 myself, but I was told Jet have some of they heaviest 777's around due to their outfitting of the forward cabin.

Heavy
 

Too big to chew.... that was one impression we´ve got back in 2006/7. The developments showed it was true. Maybe it would be time to refit the cabin into more economical consideration and do not blame the wrong side. Aaahhh I forgot: Incredibble India, they do everything theire own way, just to stay one of the wonders of the world.

Now Pre-paid is a saying. I am certain that the security deposit will be taken seriously if they run to TLS and ask for some A330´s. Would have made sense in 2005 already and was also communicated that way but if a Caucasian say´s something in India he is considert either a liar or jealous about the "Indian" success. No just the other way around: Mistakes in Aviation are paid with blood toll. In the 70´ and 80´s the US and the EU made similar mistakes and paid for it. Now with that expirience in the back brain it is nothing else then a warning when some people see the same happen again somewhere else. To have that sight it takes a while for sure and prevention is not jealousy it is to prevent the pain.

The financial decission makers are not the ones who pay the price, the see the ships sinking earlier and leave with the rats first. Always the ordinary people are the drowning ones who suffer the loss of likelihood. If a company is run by a few morons it is difficult to have them in the same boat when the feet get wet as they are always a few levels higher and stay dry when they jump "The Ship". What happens to the people who stay in the mud? They battle against each other instead of taking the advantage of unite themselves, locals with expats and the "green" with the "grey" and achieve something instead of taking the energy to fight against each other.

Jet does not hire and the SWIP is smiling, shortly, the pain can come a long way and stay longer then a Aspirin may relief.

Fly safe and land happy

NG

Fullfwd and PT6A,
Ex IAF DECs are hired on the ATR, perm, but will join at current position on the seniority list, junior to the junior most F/O at the time of joining.
B737 NG
HUH?????????

They are still hired as DEC Captains, that is the point I was making.

B737NG...washed out of B777, back to the 737s then given a second chance on the triple, barely made it and then gone turkey then now DEC ti Jet. Wow, nice going if the cap fits.

Maybe
 

...as far as pretty wealthy grannies, already living confortably on substantial pensions, accepted to go back on much worse contracts than before, there's no room for complaints. Just enjoy and shut up.:D

Can you elaborate? By the way... all expats may be off the property by March 2013. Directly from the COO's mouth.

Sorry... not as fast on the taxiway as the next guy... still don't get it:{.

Captjns,
Don't try and figure it out, there are some really weird people on this forum. They live in the black helicopters and conspiracy world reading way too much into things. They think the world revolves around how they think things should be and don't realize people have different reasons for doing things and have different priorities in life. what's good for one person may be bad for another, is something someone who only thinks about themselves won't understand.

Just heard Jet pilots going to have to take 30% pay cut and 737 Capt Gng wide body will have to fly right seat for 1 year.

Notes from a chap who attended the meeting at MAA on the 10th

Don't know how it effect the triple expats. The 737 fleet was at about 60 before down to 53. That said the reduction is 7 thus far with a further reduction to about 43.

I agree drive73:ok:.

Planning
 

Planning is exactly what the word says it is. Nothing ever goes according to plan. Well, hardly ever :ooh:

I know Proctor was advertising but then they removed the ad because they posted by mistake.
It is the same agency that sent you the email?

what agency sent you the email?

Those who had the 90 clause received 90 days notice. Those, if any, that had 30 day termination clause received 30 day.

So far... those in TRV have not received their termination notices;). All but a few expats in BOM and MAA have been sacked:{.

Not official word that the 737 fleet has been revised up.
So far the terminations are still in effect and many guys already leaving before the 90 days notice.

Apparently all expats on 330's were given notice, should be gone by early Oct.

Very mixed news though as hear two 332's will go but two 333's coming late Fall.

I don't know how they will man all these flights with current upgraded locals many of which are newbies off the 73's and never experienced Euro/N.American winters.

I wish them good luck but think they have moved a little quickly in the name of cost savings etc.

So... Who in their right mind is going to even apply for a JetAirways position given their ill-thought out manning policy for expats??? How many times has this happened yet apparently, guys keep coming back for more uncertainty.

Am I missing something or .....?

K

Drive73

"I have never met a pilot who said he was paid too much and worked too little. "

Obviously we have never met :E

Very true! The Indian government and in fact the whole world had been duped by the global shadowy powers which wanted to use India to sabotage China, Iran and Russia. They came up with all sorts of fancy projections of India's rise and super potential to suck in a lot of money and resources with their power and psychological games. India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Central Asian Muslim republics are all used to the hilt.

The damage has been done, the money and resources either siphoned or wantonly wasted and the whole region sinks into deeper chaos, but this is just collateral damage. The main objective of demonising the rising Oriental dragon, surrounding it, containing it and impeding it has been achieved!

Aviators, businessmen and other professionals are all caught up in this game. Fools in the Indian civil and intelligence service, the military and political sphere are forever led by the nose. Sadly the subcontinent, the central Asian countries, Asean as well as Korea and Japan have all sunk deeper and deeper into their respective roles as patsies.

Ghost rider,

Where do you work? I want a job there.:)

He must work for "Virtual International Airlines"... You know the one where report is never earlier than 0900 and you are done and on the way home no later than 1500.:ok: And to clarify... its the same day.:E

Hahahah seriously guys u gotta come to Africa :ok:

Where:suspect:??... No... wait... I'm afraid to ask:{.

You know what they say...If it sounds too good to be true... So do let us know the catch as well with the location!

Profits are for the Star Alliance Membership dog and pony show. I don't know how deep they delve into the finances of the carrier before granting membership to the alliance club.

It's a company, do you expect them to pat your bottom for all your services? You fly they pay, you go on to the next contract when this one doesn't suit you any more. If you expect anything more from large corporations, especially as a temporary contract worker your dillusional. Quit acting like Jet owes you some sort of entitlement for flying for them.
If you don't like it move on! Quit b3()$$&& about how bad it is at a company you no longer work for and if you still work there leave, it's not good for your health to be this obsessed with the good old days..
Jet is great for some, horrible for others. Everybody is different, let them decide for themselves how to live life's you know nothing about..:ugh::ugh:

Second batch of 737 expats gone as well as the 330 guys. Only TRV CCU one MAA and a couple of 737 expats remain. A number of ATR guys and new 777 guys remain too. Good luck to all.:ok:

Helloooo Everybody....
Whats the scene on hiring newbies for the 37s or the 330s...:confused:
I have been waiting for a long time now!! would just like some info ....

drive73 is right. I've done a couple of contracts with Jet. The first time they treated me well. The second time not so much. But, hey, that's just business. I told them I wouldn't put up with it for too much longer and I didn't. I left. I don't think they were all that offended or upset and neither was I when they changed the TCs (the reason for my leaving). I knew the business climate had changed and I knew expat pilots would never band together and take the company on collectively. They broke the T&Cs without negotiation, and I no longer cared about outperforming for them, so they got what they paid for... more or less. It's a two-way street and they knew it as well as I.

The contract world has to be measured for what it is, temporary worker status. The problem is as pilots sometimes we get sick of moving from job to job so guys want to settle in. One should never get too comfortable in any temp worker situation. I've always only done contracts when leaves are offered from my airline. That way I'm still accruing seniority somewhere while I taste another part of the aviation world. But that's just my circumstance. I realize everyone is in a different boat. If you don't like the contract world then find 2 or 3 of your career airlines of choice and get a seniority number there. But be prepared for the long crawl up the seniority chain. Worth it in the end but can take decades to see the fruits of your labor. Otherwise, expect to be expendable, that, by definition, is what contract workers are.

And remember, no local wants to see a contract worker holding up their movement. So don't expect to be on their best-friends list while you're working in their country at their airline. Just the way it is.

I always leave a contract gig early (following proper notice period decorum as per the T&Cs). Never wait for them to show you the door. Try to leave while the going is good, leaving while out on top as it were. It just feels better that way, like you're in control. Which you are if you leave on your terms and not theirs. Plus, it reminds airline managements around the world that this pilot-company thing is a two-way street. Treat a pilot poorly by not doing what you said you were going to do, and find yourself on the losing end of that relationship.

There's a reason why Korean, SkyMark, Air India are desperate for commanders right now. It has nothing to do with growth, rather it has every thing to do with how the pilots who left were treated. There is a reason for all that turnover at these carriers. Why do you think they have to sweeten the pot, or lower the bar to entry, with respect to their latest T&Cs?

@Geebz
 

"There's a reason why Korean, SkyMark, Air India are desperate for commanders right now. It has nothing to do with growth, rather it has every thing to do with how the pilots who left were treated. There is a reason for all that turnover at these carriers. Why do you think they have to sweeten the pot, or lower the bar to entry, with respect to their latest T&Cs? "

Very well said.......:D

Jet is now trying to recall guys they let go 2 months ago and only 1 has returned, so far.. They pay for their missteps in training costs, airlines never can get it figured out in any country.

No good
 

JET has a long story of hiring expats and then fire them on a short time. No good for their reputation as employers. If you look for a minimum of job stability think twice before considering JET.:=

So far 4 accepted the recall and 3 actually showed up, out of 12 is what I was told.. The three is a fairly reliable number, but how many were contacted, only jet expat cell knows..

Old bold, I will find out. Captjns may have the skinny on the changes in contract. I would imagine the bonus was cut, but speculation on my part. Before the cuts they were also trying to push guys from the hotel. If you chose to stay in the hotel they gave the lac and you paid charges over that amount. Or if you chose a 16 and 2 schedule you could stay at the hotels and not pay over the lac. Or just stay in a flat and keep the normal lac and 8 and 2. But again I'll get back to you.
This is just 737 fleet. Atr guys haven't been affected, except tmu and problem child folks.

hello everyone
9W is no good place for foreigners!!!
im not yet a pilot, but i do operations at 9W.
I have a 1year renewable contract with them, 2mounths before the first year was over i kept asking for a clear answer whether my contract will be renewed or not i never got a clear answer, 3mounths after i left i got a call to report back on duty, since i was jobless, i had no choice but to accept.
i know a lot of (foreigners) pilots who are disgusted by the working conditions at 9W, once they have the opportunity to join another airline they will leave!
it's a messy airline, you'll never be safe! if you ever consider joining it please think twice, unless it's your last option, get some hours and leave for a better airline!

happy landing everyone

all the best

I’m sorry Aviationgeek that your memories during your tenure with Jet Airways will not be happy ones. Those who shared your views made their choice to move on with hopefully hard feelings by either party.

Yes, many pilots had their contracts terminated. But the hand writing was on the wall. Jet Airways performed to their terms and conditions of their contract during the termination period with pay. I know an individual who was terminated during ground school and received pay over a three month period too, which is a section contained within the contract. Not all pilots had the three month termination period provision contained within their contracts.

Only those pilots with FATAs, and Work Visas currentlyvalid, were invited to return to Jet Airways for one year. The termination period has been reduced fromthree to one month. The provision forthe loyalty bonus is part of the contract too.

During the past two plus decades, I’ve been an expat in many countries. I learned early on that business cultures are as diverse as the cultures within the countries I’ve resided and worked in. After my first overseas job, I made it a point to perform as comprehensive research as possible to help me decide whether or not to accept positions of employment based on the conditions both at the prospective airline and country where I would be living.

It’s different working for a foreign company with expat managers in one’s own country. But to some, at the end of the day, a pay check is just that … a paycheck until a better position comes along.

Before coming to Jet, I was employed by a contracting agency in Europe. I was assigned to fly for a low cost carrier, based too far from your back yard. In the beginning of the contract period it was a fairly decent place to work for one and all. During my tenure, I observed terms and conditions deteriorate for those employed directlyto the airline. This particular company continues to use bullying and scare tactics to keep their employees in line. As mentioned before, I was a contractor, not subject to the abuse that the direct employees of this particular company contiune to be subject to.

At the end of the day, Aviationgeek, there is no Utopia to be found in working for any company on this globe these days. Compared to the carrier I flew for in Euroland, I have no major complaints about Jet that would cause me to stomp off in a huff. Jet stood by those who werer TMUed too. I've never any company, both airline and nonairline I've worked for pay employees while medically unfit. But that’s me and I can’t nor will I speakfor anyone else, as this just my opinion.