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Old 26th Apr 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
As always everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

As far as I am aware the locals are on half pay. The management are unpaid. If they put all the locals on unpaid and this guy does all the operating flights for free then you have a point but i doubt this is the case.

There are almost no flights operating anyway. I cannot see how any locals are suffering extra because one expat makes this kind of offer.

Those of you using the scab name obviously donít know the meaning of the word. The days of pilot picket lines outside airports are long gone. There is no basis for this moniker in the contract pilot world.

As for the thinly veiled threats that the local DPEs will lynch him. That just wonít happen, so stop the trolling and baseless threats.

lets keep this in perspective. There are no flights operating anyway.
Dear colleague, you see that you are misinformed, of the 90 days we were given without pay, the Vietnamese pilots fly only 30 days and the other 60 days are without pay, currently do not say that there are no flights, at the moment it is They are doing 78 flights starting on the 23rd, so you should get better information before you comment, I fly for the company and I have Vietnamese friend pilots and they do not agree with what this pilot does, they find him totally unfair
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 21:03
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
Yeah, to Vietjet
Are you kidding?
There are hundreds of pilots logging zero flight time in Vietjet during last 30 days.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 23:13
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
As always everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

As far as I am aware the locals are on half pay. The management are unpaid. If they put all the locals on unpaid and this guy does all the operating flights for free then you have a point but i doubt this is the case.

There are almost no flights operating anyway. I cannot see how any locals are suffering extra because one expat makes this kind of offer.

Those of you using the scab name obviously donít know the meaning of the word. The days of pilot picket lines outside airports are long gone. There is no basis for this moniker in the contract pilot world.

As for the thinly veiled threats that the local DPEs will lynch him. That just wonít happen, so stop the trolling and baseless threats.

lets keep this in perspective. There are no flights operating anyway.
Have you ever worked in Vietnam? They will get rid of him if they want to. I know of a pilot who even had someone break into his house at night, held a knife to his throat in his bed, and told him if he wasnít out of the country in 2 days theyíd be back. So donít for one second think they wonít get someone to ďdealĒ with you if you piss the wrong person off.

As for this apparently being ok, NO, itís not ******* ok. I donít care whatís going on in the world at the moment, you donít fly for free. Especially a ******* airliner! It could well mean this idiot is taking away money from someone who really needs it. I know heís potentially operating flights that I could be doing, so heís taking money from me, heís taking money from everyone.

I hope he is ďdealtĒ with correctly and is put out of work.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 05:24
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Have you ever worked in Vietnam? They will get rid of him if they want to. I know of a pilot who even had someone break into his house at night, held a knife to his throat in his bed, and told him if he wasn’t out of the country in 2 days they’d be back. So don’t for one second think they won’t get someone to “deal” with you if you piss the wrong person off.

As for this apparently being ok, NO, it’s not ******* ok. I don’t care what’s going on in the world at the moment, you don’t fly for free. Especially a ******* airliner! It could well mean this idiot is taking away money from someone who really needs it. I know he’s potentially operating flights that I could be doing, so he’s taking money from me, he’s taking money from everyone.

I hope he is “dealt” with correctly and is put out of work.

Only for the last 16 years, so maybe I am a bit to new. I have been a pilot for 38 years, and a professional one for 36 though so maybe a bit longer than you.

Knife to throat, leave in 2 days. Honestly.

P2F have been flying for free for years, as do the P2Command. p2B787, p2A350, P2LTC, P2TRI, P2DPE..So whats new? you guys have been flying for free a lot in the last 10 years. Us old hands have been watching the steady decline for a decade.

F4F is just a progression of the decline of a once good profession.

Just another day in the contract world.

Anger management is required for you maybe, not a good look for a pilot.

We all need money, but maybe you have aP2F debt?

Last edited by ia1166; 28th Apr 2020 at 06:48.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 05:32
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Originally Posted by PilotVna321 View Post
Dear colleague, you see that you are misinformed, of the 90 days we were given without pay, the Vietnamese pilots fly only 30 days and the other 60 days are without pay, currently do not say that there are no flights, at the moment it is They are doing 78 flights starting on the 23rd, so you should get better information before you comment, I fly for the company and I have Vietnamese friend pilots and they do not agree with what this pilot does, they find him totally unfair
Iím home so have no new information from when i left.

Is this is the case then it does seem a bit unthoughtful to be honest. Why would this be promulgated in the company magazine as well? Surely keeping the locals employed first is the priority, and the expats should be accepting of this fact.

More to the point has he actually flown at all?
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Old 1st May 2020, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
Ryan Air recently axed 3000 jobs. They are forecasting the airline industry to pick up again "summer 2022". With all the airlines going belly up I was surprised to see on our "EFF" that July month is very busy. Will ASIA recover much faster then the rest of the world?
I, and I think many of us expat pilots in the region, can only hope / pray it does.
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