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Old 26th Apr 2020, 21:03
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Originally Posted by iggy View Post
Yeah, to Vietjet
Are you kidding?
There are hundreds of pilots logging zero flight time in Vietjet during last 30 days.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 23:13
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
As always everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

As far as I am aware the locals are on half pay. The management are unpaid. If they put all the locals on unpaid and this guy does all the operating flights for free then you have a point but i doubt this is the case.

There are almost no flights operating anyway. I cannot see how any locals are suffering extra because one expat makes this kind of offer.

Those of you using the scab name obviously donít know the meaning of the word. The days of pilot picket lines outside airports are long gone. There is no basis for this moniker in the contract pilot world.

As for the thinly veiled threats that the local DPEs will lynch him. That just wonít happen, so stop the trolling and baseless threats.

lets keep this in perspective. There are no flights operating anyway.
Have you ever worked in Vietnam? They will get rid of him if they want to. I know of a pilot who even had someone break into his house at night, held a knife to his throat in his bed, and told him if he wasnít out of the country in 2 days theyíd be back. So donít for one second think they wonít get someone to ďdealĒ with you if you piss the wrong person off.

As for this apparently being ok, NO, itís not ******* ok. I donít care whatís going on in the world at the moment, you donít fly for free. Especially a ******* airliner! It could well mean this idiot is taking away money from someone who really needs it. I know heís potentially operating flights that I could be doing, so heís taking money from me, heís taking money from everyone.

I hope he is ďdealtĒ with correctly and is put out of work.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 05:24
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Have you ever worked in Vietnam? They will get rid of him if they want to. I know of a pilot who even had someone break into his house at night, held a knife to his throat in his bed, and told him if he wasn’t out of the country in 2 days they’d be back. So don’t for one second think they won’t get someone to “deal” with you if you piss the wrong person off.

As for this apparently being ok, NO, it’s not ******* ok. I don’t care what’s going on in the world at the moment, you don’t fly for free. Especially a ******* airliner! It could well mean this idiot is taking away money from someone who really needs it. I know he’s potentially operating flights that I could be doing, so he’s taking money from me, he’s taking money from everyone.

I hope he is “dealt” with correctly and is put out of work.

Only for the last 16 years, so maybe I am a bit to new. I have been a pilot for 38 years, and a professional one for 36 though so maybe a bit longer than you.

Knife to throat, leave in 2 days. Honestly.

P2F have been flying for free for years, as do the P2Command. p2B787, p2A350, P2LTC, P2TRI, P2DPE..So whats new? you guys have been flying for free a lot in the last 10 years. Us old hands have been watching the steady decline for a decade.

F4F is just a progression of the decline of a once good profession.

Just another day in the contract world.

Anger management is required for you maybe, not a good look for a pilot.

We all need money, but maybe you have aP2F debt?

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Old 28th Apr 2020, 05:32
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Originally Posted by PilotVna321 View Post
Dear colleague, you see that you are misinformed, of the 90 days we were given without pay, the Vietnamese pilots fly only 30 days and the other 60 days are without pay, currently do not say that there are no flights, at the moment it is They are doing 78 flights starting on the 23rd, so you should get better information before you comment, I fly for the company and I have Vietnamese friend pilots and they do not agree with what this pilot does, they find him totally unfair
Iím home so have no new information from when i left.

Is this is the case then it does seem a bit unthoughtful to be honest. Why would this be promulgated in the company magazine as well? Surely keeping the locals employed first is the priority, and the expats should be accepting of this fact.

More to the point has he actually flown at all?
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Old 1st May 2020, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
Ryan Air recently axed 3000 jobs. They are forecasting the airline industry to pick up again "summer 2022". With all the airlines going belly up I was surprised to see on our "EFF" that July month is very busy. Will ASIA recover much faster then the rest of the world?
I, and I think many of us expat pilots in the region, can only hope / pray it does.
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Old 29th Nov 2020, 15:37
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Does anyone have any updates on this situation? Are expats still on unpaid leave or else flying for free?
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Old 29th Nov 2020, 19:50
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Wow, $400 is pitiful, what would the average expat at VNA normally make?

When was the specific period of time when expats would have been working for free? Was it around April - June?
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 01:00
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Big Greek View Post
Well they get 400$ basic salary. They actually have to use their savings to survive, so more or less they are paying to work and if you complain to much or if you have a problem with your Visa/Passport (like my case) Captain Giang will simply cancel your contract. You see in Vietnam, toilet paper has more value then Vietnamese contracts.

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Didnít you join the pilot group who were trying to take legal action against VN for LWOP? A bit ill advised in a pandemic.

It is 400 plus per diems and the way I see it stopped VN going bankrupt while keeping pilots current. Salary improvement is coming.

It a whole new world. Using savings is up to the personal circumstances. Bear in mind its a commuting contract so no provisions are in it to provide private schooling for children. The point of a commuting contract is families are supposed remain in the home country.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 10:45
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Not impressed

Doing this kind of thing doesnít help the industry or any pilot who works in it. Selling your soul to get on the B787, whilst screwing your work colleagues, isnít worth it. As long as people like this remain in our industry we will all struggle to be treated as professionals.

My friend, if you are reading this, an aircraft is an aircraft. I fly the B787 and Iíve flown the B777 and B737 and A320 and A330. Once youíve flown one, youíve flown them all and itís not the metal (or carbon fibre) you fly around in, itís the lifestyle it gives you.

Stop being a d!Ä£, stop selling your soul, stop screwing your colleagues.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post

It is 400 plus per diems and the way I see it stopped VN going bankrupt while keeping pilots current. Salary improvement is coming.
If you think saving a few bucks on the pilots salaries is what prevents a company from going bankrupt, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 04:41
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Originally Posted by flyer47 View Post
Doing this kind of thing doesn’t help the industry or any pilot who works in it. Selling your soul to get on the B787, whilst screwing your work colleagues, isn’t worth it. As long as people like this remain in our industry we will all struggle to be treated as professionals.

My friend, if you are reading this, an aircraft is an aircraft. I fly the B787 and I’ve flown the B777 and B737 and A320 and A330. Once you’ve flown one, you’ve flown them all and it’s not the metal (or carbon fibre) you fly around in, it’s the lifestyle it gives you.

Stop being a d!€£, stop selling your soul, stop screwing your colleagues.
I’m not on the 787, nor have I paid for anything. DPEs are only available to people with ability, not with fat wallet.

not quite sure what you’re on about. Anyhow hope your life style is still suiting you.

I enjoy flying.

Absolutely no interest in long haul.

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Old 1st Dec 2020, 04:45
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Originally Posted by Newcomer2 View Post
If you think saving a few bucks on the pilots salaries is what prevents a company from going bankrupt, you have no idea what you're talking about.
FYI employee payroll is the second highest cost to an airline after fuel. There is not much revenue going on so how do you figure full salaries can be maintained?

Lower salaries are helping the bottom line and keeping pilots current.

If youíre not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Happy to be doing my part. Keeping my options open for the future. Higher salaries are coming.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 05:01
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Happy to be doing my part. Keeping my options open for the future. Higher salaries are coming.
Do you bring your own knee pads, or use the company provided ones?
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 05:19
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Do you bring your own knee pads, or use the company provided ones?
Got my own thanks.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 05:43
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Do you bring your own knee pads, or use the company provided ones?
prossies usually bring their own lube and condoms. But receive much better pay, even in Vietnam
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 07:16
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Dear Ian,

Might be worth to study the get to grips ...
Pilot cost is not the 2nd expense for an airline

I recommend Get to the grips with cost index you will be amazed.

(According to IATA in Feb2015 FD crew accounted for 6.8% in an airline cost structure. Just as an example Aircraft ownership 10.2% - Maintenance 9.4% )
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 07:44
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Originally Posted by nicoli View Post
Dear Ian,

Might be worth to study the get to grips ...
Pilot cost is not the 2nd expense for an airline

I recommend Get to the grips with cost index you will be amazed.

(According to IATA in Feb2015 FD crew accounted for 6.8% in an airline cost structure. Just as an example Aircraft ownership 10.2% - Maintenance 9.4% )

IATA is worldwide. Maybe not here. And i didn’t say pilot cost, I said Payroll. That means everybody. Team player.

You can keep those books thanks.

In any event, the game is to stay current until after covid. Its all a bit irrelevant when pilots offered to work for free, and VN is awash with pilots trying to return.

The salary is what it is. Take and stay in the game, or don’t and learn to drive a taxi.

I believe a pay raise is coming soon, and more will follow when covid is past.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 08:36
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hi ia1166, is VNA taking cv's for future employment.
can you pm me your email as i am looking to deposit my cv.
fo rated on 320 .
thanks.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 08:46
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prossies usually bring their own lube and condoms. But receive much better pay, even in Vietnam
With the lack of fat western tourists at the moment, i suspect its pay cuts all round.
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https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...e-industry.asp

Payroll and fuel.

Biggest cost for an airline.
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