Is MAS still open for new Cadet recruitment?
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Is MAS still open for new Cadet recruitment?
I am really interested in flying the sky with MAS. Currently I am pursuing a PhD in the UK. Although I enjoy the subject very much, I know of only one profession that will truly fulfil my dreams and desire, an airline Pilot.
I should have applied to MAS years ago, but being the kampung boy I am...I did not think it could be a reality. Until I realised is possible with a bit of luck and real drive. Unfortunately now MAS seems to have stopped recruiting Cadets.
I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I am moving onto 25 end of this year....so time is running out!!
I should have applied to MAS years ago, but being the kampung boy I am...I did not think it could be a reality. Until I realised is possible with a bit of luck and real drive. Unfortunately now MAS seems to have stopped recruiting Cadets.
I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I am moving onto 25 end of this year....so time is running out!!
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Riverisde macam biasa....cuma kedai makanan halal....is now crap. Yes, dok buat PhD....work is too boring....so since its boring might as well go for hardcore level! Nolah....they offered me a scholorship ina subject I like , so might as well. So what do u think still a chance to work for MAS...driving planes???
Ever since a kid its been a dream....and it has always been only a dream....even after my degree and masters...I never thought it could be a reality ...until ... I met some pilots and spoke to them...they weren't superhuman (no disrespect)....then I thought I can do this....and to cement it further, sat in a cockpit of a MAS 777 flight for the whole duration from melbourne to kul (the night of the fateful night of sept 11, maybe the last person to be able to do this, public i mean) and to know that that large machine and the safety of all 270 or so on board is in the hands of this two persons. It might be boring to some but I just know I will have the satisfaction of it. I want to be able to go to work in 25 years with a smile on my face, and its not because of the stewardess flying with my, but to fulfil my satisfation and ambition.
What MAS, well its like playing for the national team....I mean pride.....been a regular plane spotter since a kid at Sultan Abdul Halim ariport, guess the view of only Baby MAS's, has had an effect.......not saying the pramugaries have not had an effect..haha. I guess its pride and as a MAlaysian no other alternative lah. What other airline has better colour scheme than MAS! Pay may not be the best but what is money comparied to pride and satisfaction?
I know I can contribute so much to MAS not only in my desire to fly for them but also maybe in the later years to other areas within MAS (maybe help them sweep up the mess). Mgt Consultants have not been after me for nothing (see I even have the arrogance required for the job!!!).
Does this state my case?
Ever since a kid its been a dream....and it has always been only a dream....even after my degree and masters...I never thought it could be a reality ...until ... I met some pilots and spoke to them...they weren't superhuman (no disrespect)....then I thought I can do this....and to cement it further, sat in a cockpit of a MAS 777 flight for the whole duration from melbourne to kul (the night of the fateful night of sept 11, maybe the last person to be able to do this, public i mean) and to know that that large machine and the safety of all 270 or so on board is in the hands of this two persons. It might be boring to some but I just know I will have the satisfaction of it. I want to be able to go to work in 25 years with a smile on my face, and its not because of the stewardess flying with my, but to fulfil my satisfation and ambition.
What MAS, well its like playing for the national team....I mean pride.....been a regular plane spotter since a kid at Sultan Abdul Halim ariport, guess the view of only Baby MAS's, has had an effect.......not saying the pramugaries have not had an effect..haha. I guess its pride and as a MAlaysian no other alternative lah. What other airline has better colour scheme than MAS! Pay may not be the best but what is money comparied to pride and satisfaction?
I know I can contribute so much to MAS not only in my desire to fly for them but also maybe in the later years to other areas within MAS (maybe help them sweep up the mess). Mgt Consultants have not been after me for nothing (see I even have the arrogance required for the job!!!).
Does this state my case?
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what do u mean working my way down.....in the current circumstances it would be working my way up....at least the pilots are doing their job ( I hope this is not going to hinder my prospects!!!)
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Forget about MAS. It is a company on the downslide surviving on taxpayer money. In fact they are dropping pilots now like flies unless you happen to pull some strings or pay some bribes.
If you want to fly, I mean "real flying" join the Air Force. They are looking for pilots (after buying 32 more MIG 29) like you now especially with a PhD. Maybe you can become their Test pilot and graduate from Empire Test Pilot Academy in UK after flying at least 12 high performance aircraft and doing flat spins.
You might end up commanding 16 fighters in the air in Battle Formation running at Mach 2.5 and then pull 9-12Gs in a dogfight. This is real split second stuff for real men not wimpies and I promise you will not end up like glorified taxi drivers.
If you want to fly, I mean "real flying" join the Air Force. They are looking for pilots (after buying 32 more MIG 29) like you now especially with a PhD. Maybe you can become their Test pilot and graduate from Empire Test Pilot Academy in UK after flying at least 12 high performance aircraft and doing flat spins.
You might end up commanding 16 fighters in the air in Battle Formation running at Mach 2.5 and then pull 9-12Gs in a dogfight. This is real split second stuff for real men not wimpies and I promise you will not end up like glorified taxi drivers.
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Just some frustrated ol' Edeott that thought that he was General material and living in a time warp, giving his two bobs worth.
Go play with some Sabun ye olde.
Redondo,
Maybe you could do some PhD sort of research first before you join up and fly with "Pride" as a Malay, something you have always wanted to do since you were a "child" . Unfortunately, things aren't as easy as that. There's a little bit more to life than that, I'm afraid.
Go play with some Sabun ye olde.
Redondo,
Maybe you could do some PhD sort of research first before you join up and fly with "Pride" as a Malay, something you have always wanted to do since you were a "child" . Unfortunately, things aren't as easy as that. There's a little bit more to life than that, I'm afraid.
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Rodondo4 that was just as an alternative for you. to think about if you want to fly. MAS is not recruiting at the moment and for a long time to come. They are licking their wounds and scrapes after losing almost RM20 billions under TR. And not many of them fought against it and those who did are out with some other airlines.
MAS pay as a pilot is the second lowest in the world next to China Airlines. Even Indonesian pilots get more pay. But at age 20 you can become the sole pilot in a B747-400 when the Captain goes to the toilet and good luck to the passengers.
Inside you had to pay bribes to get a fair share of the flights and licks a lot of backsides. That is what Mr. Login was trying to say when he says "Unfortunately, things aren't as easy as that. There's a little bit more to life than that, I'm afraid." It helps if you got connections with the airline management. Pilots had joined and flying the jumbos without even passing the basic Form V (SPM or GCE O Level). It is an airline waiting for a major accident to happen.
In the Air Force there are about 50 graduates pilots versus none for the airline accept 1 with a Law Degree and 1 with MBA.
The stress level is high as the ground supports (admin, pay & allowances, rostering, etc) will drag you down and they will create all sorts of problems for you if you do not give enough handouts.
Mr. Login here is one example, only good at name calling but lacking in substance, typical of MAS material.
MAS pay as a pilot is the second lowest in the world next to China Airlines. Even Indonesian pilots get more pay. But at age 20 you can become the sole pilot in a B747-400 when the Captain goes to the toilet and good luck to the passengers.
Inside you had to pay bribes to get a fair share of the flights and licks a lot of backsides. That is what Mr. Login was trying to say when he says "Unfortunately, things aren't as easy as that. There's a little bit more to life than that, I'm afraid." It helps if you got connections with the airline management. Pilots had joined and flying the jumbos without even passing the basic Form V (SPM or GCE O Level). It is an airline waiting for a major accident to happen.
In the Air Force there are about 50 graduates pilots versus none for the airline accept 1 with a Law Degree and 1 with MBA.
The stress level is high as the ground supports (admin, pay & allowances, rostering, etc) will drag you down and they will create all sorts of problems for you if you do not give enough handouts.
Mr. Login here is one example, only good at name calling but lacking in substance, typical of MAS material.
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Cheers for the reply guys....good points, better bantering
Mr Login....its not as simple as I put it out to be......do you wish you had done something that you thought was out of your league except you never tried, so u will never know.....my philosophy is I'd rather fail in something I believe in than do well in something I don't enjoy. I will regret my inability to apply for MAS earlier as I know flying is some thing I should do rather than dream....no disrespect to you in your opinion....even today I still lay awake during the nights wishing I was awake because of a reason, like flying 300 passangers safely (and don't you comment on the safety part OldAce999.. ) from one end of the world to the other.
The bribery can't be that bad OldAce99....I might be a bit niave but from the pilots I've met, they don't seem to give that impression....the opposite actually....does your statement come from knowledge or sepeculation...just wondering. Actually it was one of the Senior MAS pilot's that introduced me to this site.
Look forward to your replies/bantering....cheers
Mr Login....its not as simple as I put it out to be......do you wish you had done something that you thought was out of your league except you never tried, so u will never know.....my philosophy is I'd rather fail in something I believe in than do well in something I don't enjoy. I will regret my inability to apply for MAS earlier as I know flying is some thing I should do rather than dream....no disrespect to you in your opinion....even today I still lay awake during the nights wishing I was awake because of a reason, like flying 300 passangers safely (and don't you comment on the safety part OldAce999..
) from one end of the world to the other.The bribery can't be that bad OldAce99....I might be a bit niave but from the pilots I've met, they don't seem to give that impression....the opposite actually....does your statement come from knowledge or sepeculation...just wondering. Actually it was one of the Senior MAS pilot's that introduced me to this site.
Look forward to your replies/bantering....cheers
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Haiya, wai u so like that one? U were offered and accepted a scholarship "ina" subject u like but now u find that de werk is too boring. So now U wanna be airline pilot flying 300 pax all over. I'm paying my ass off for you to graduate and contribute your worth, ie: your PhD brains to something higher, stronger, faster, good, gooder, goodest. But no, U want to be pushing button for the rest of your adult life, because maybe u got glittery eyed.
Maybe Old Lanchau is right afterall. U shud be in the airforce, where you can play General, fly in a battle formation and practice shooting tin cans for some good part of your adult life, then after that join the airlines to become glorified drivers as he says it, and then when the sun is going down in your life, u suddenly realised that you have been effed up and U end up being a virtual general in this forum with Usman, lanchaping everyday with the computer by your side. I prefer my F22 Raptor, by Novalogic, for all that crap.
Regardless, if u really want to join the airlines, u gotta be more resourceful than this. There have been quite a few postings already on this topic, and what u can do is by clicking on all the topics from about six months ago on various advices on how to go about it.
Easiest way of course is by picking up the phone, make a call to flight ops and ask to be directed to Flt Ops Human Resources Manager. Have a word with the bloke, find out for yourself all u wanna know and then take positive steps to either complete ur PhD or to chuck it out of de window. Actually, I shouldn't be telling you this because it's all too easy. U reckon coming to this forum will get u proper answers? If that's the level of ur research, maybe u shud quit ur post grad. Sounds arrogant I know, but if u were to turn up for an interview and appear like u haven't done much except asking people of little substance like me and toy soldier like Lanchau, they probably give u the cadetship anyway because of the "Bumi" factor. Then after a while, when u find that pushing buttons is again boring, maybe u can go direct into management. As u've said, they have been after u..so , u know.
Haiya, wai u so like that one? U were offered and accepted a scholarship "ina" subject u like but now u find that de werk is too boring. So now U wanna be airline pilot flying 300 pax all over. I'm paying my ass off for you to graduate and contribute your worth, ie: your PhD brains to something higher, stronger, faster, good, gooder, goodest. But no, U want to be pushing button for the rest of your adult life, because maybe u got glittery eyed.
Maybe Old Lanchau is right afterall. U shud be in the airforce, where you can play General, fly in a battle formation and practice shooting tin cans for some good part of your adult life, then after that join the airlines to become glorified drivers as he says it, and then when the sun is going down in your life, u suddenly realised that you have been effed up and U end up being a virtual general in this forum with Usman, lanchaping everyday with the computer by your side. I prefer my F22 Raptor, by Novalogic, for all that crap.
Regardless, if u really want to join the airlines, u gotta be more resourceful than this. There have been quite a few postings already on this topic, and what u can do is by clicking on all the topics from about six months ago on various advices on how to go about it.
Easiest way of course is by picking up the phone, make a call to flight ops and ask to be directed to Flt Ops Human Resources Manager. Have a word with the bloke, find out for yourself all u wanna know and then take positive steps to either complete ur PhD or to chuck it out of de window. Actually, I shouldn't be telling you this because it's all too easy. U reckon coming to this forum will get u proper answers? If that's the level of ur research, maybe u shud quit ur post grad. Sounds arrogant I know, but if u were to turn up for an interview and appear like u haven't done much except asking people of little substance like me and toy soldier like Lanchau, they probably give u the cadetship anyway because of the "Bumi" factor. Then after a while, when u find that pushing buttons is again boring, maybe u can go direct into management. As u've said, they have been after u..so , u know.
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Sorry Mr Login....
I have already done that......I've phoned up Human Resource....about as helpful as customer services....... not once but two or three time......i'll be having a restraining order next!!!
And by the way .... you are not paying for my Phd.....I have a full schlorship from the Univeristy here.....
I have already done that......I've phoned up Human Resource....about as helpful as customer services....... not once but two or three time......i'll be having a restraining order next!!!
And by the way .... you are not paying for my Phd.....I have a full schlorship from the Univeristy here.....
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Okay, okay, you're right. I do apologise for the outburst, no excuse for that. So, u got a scholarship from the Uni, eh? Well done and I suppose U haven't owed the Gov or any private companies anything for everything else leading up to your PhD.
Since u r that hardworking and talented, both the old dude and I are trying to tell you not to let ur brains go to mush by becoming an airline pilot, especially not with MAS.
If however u still choose to pursue the dream, then my advice is to 'keep on knocking'. If u knock hard enough, u r bound to get someone's attention and get the ball rolling. Before u commit however, u gotta see the whole big picture though, inside out, round and round, as it will be very foolish not to, especially someone of ur capacity.Speak to more people, make some friends and understand thoroughly what the life has to offer.
If u like u can mail me and I'll tell u why u shud not do it. U can ask some else on why u shud, maybe urself.
Okay, okay, you're right. I do apologise for the outburst, no excuse for that. So, u got a scholarship from the Uni, eh? Well done and I suppose U haven't owed the Gov or any private companies anything for everything else leading up to your PhD.
Since u r that hardworking and talented, both the old dude and I are trying to tell you not to let ur brains go to mush by becoming an airline pilot, especially not with MAS.
If however u still choose to pursue the dream, then my advice is to 'keep on knocking'. If u knock hard enough, u r bound to get someone's attention and get the ball rolling. Before u commit however, u gotta see the whole big picture though, inside out, round and round, as it will be very foolish not to, especially someone of ur capacity.Speak to more people, make some friends and understand thoroughly what the life has to offer.
If u like u can mail me and I'll tell u why u shud not do it. U can ask some else on why u shud, maybe urself.
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Rodondo4 : What PhD are you pursuing Humanity or Nuclear Physic. I have met many academics especially those going for PhDs they don't drop their ultimate aim that easily especially after reaching your level and also running on a foreign scholarship you must be brilliant.. Unless something is really wrong somewhere.
Complete the PhD then join MAS to sort out the real mess the people there are making.
From my experience academics don't make good pilot, maybe they are too bookish.
Complete the PhD then join MAS to sort out the real mess the people there are making.
From my experience academics don't make good pilot, maybe they are too bookish.
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Redondo,
Once you have become a Doctor, methinks you are
over qualified for the job. You are better off teaching people
in the subject of behavioural science so that your efforts
will contribute to making this world a more pleasant place
to live in.
Good Luck!
Once you have become a Doctor, methinks you are
over qualified for the job. You are better off teaching people
in the subject of behavioural science so that your efforts
will contribute to making this world a more pleasant place
to live in.
Good Luck!
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Thanx a lot everyone......for all the input. Points taken. Cheers
Never thought about the air force route......
I appriciate everyones pooints of view....thank you once again
Never thought about the air force route......
I appriciate everyones pooints of view....thank you once again
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...and to add a litle bit of perspective to the debate, in the last year I have flown with 3 PhD's as my First Officer. One humanities-based (I forget which discipline,) one Applied Mathematics and the other Chemistry. The last chap had been a Rocket Scientist, building engines for satelites and one of the Mars lander projects.
None were "too bookish," all were excellent pilots and good company, with a story to tell downroute.
So go for it if you want to. It's an uphill struggle, but so's getting a Phd. I'd agree with the advice to finish it first, however...
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None were "too bookish," all were excellent pilots and good company, with a story to tell downroute.
So go for it if you want to. It's an uphill struggle, but so's getting a Phd. I'd agree with the advice to finish it first, however...
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Can someone within MAS please confirm the news (good for me...hopefully) that MAS, due to movements of first officer to captains and SO to FO that there will be cadets again in the near furture????
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rodondo,
i don't want to get your hopes up unnecessarily but the way i look at things, there shud be cadet intakes soon once all the 're-organisation' have been completed.
due to intake freeze from around 94-97, we are now critically short on FOs. on ALL fleets, there is an excess of capts but a shortage of FOs. there shud and must be an injection of new FOs soon or MAS will be at a disadvantage when the next 'boom' comes. the way things are going, looks like it might be sooner than later. just hope the powers that be have the foresight...
best of luck in your attempts.
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i don't want to get your hopes up unnecessarily but the way i look at things, there shud be cadet intakes soon once all the 're-organisation' have been completed.
due to intake freeze from around 94-97, we are now critically short on FOs. on ALL fleets, there is an excess of capts but a shortage of FOs. there shud and must be an injection of new FOs soon or MAS will be at a disadvantage when the next 'boom' comes. the way things are going, looks like it might be sooner than later. just hope the powers that be have the foresight...
best of luck in your attempts.
SR