Is MAS still open for new Cadet recruitment?
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CHEAP Co-PILOTS From INDONESIA
To recover from its losses MAS had been taking co-pilots of Indonesian once they completed their flying courses since 2 years ago. As Indonesia can produce an abundance of new pilots yearly and cheaply. New Malaysian pilots are not required.
Plus even at half the pay these Indon will come.
So tough luck you Malaysian guys. Your own country and airline do not want you anymore. And this recruitment is not limited to aviation field only.
This is your introduction to globalisation.
Plus even at half the pay these Indon will come.
So tough luck you Malaysian guys. Your own country and airline do not want you anymore. And this recruitment is not limited to aviation field only.
This is your introduction to globalisation.
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rodondo,
pls do not let oldace discourage you. his post regarding MAS hiring Indonesian FOs 2 years ago is absolutely nonsense. to be honest, i think he had left MAS too ago to grasp the true picture and mostly what he had posted were simpily based on 'rumours'. to get the true picture you must talk to people who are still here. at present, there is not a single expat FOs which is inline with the company's policy to eventually nationalised the company.
though MAS might not be the best-run company but who's perfect. we might not be getting the most $$$ but i think job-security, flexibility, job-satisfaction, etc. are other considerations. you can even turn its' 'incompetencies' to your own advantage
if you know what i mean.
do strive to achieve your dream...
SR
pls do not let oldace discourage you. his post regarding MAS hiring Indonesian FOs 2 years ago is absolutely nonsense. to be honest, i think he had left MAS too ago to grasp the true picture and mostly what he had posted were simpily based on 'rumours'. to get the true picture you must talk to people who are still here. at present, there is not a single expat FOs which is inline with the company's policy to eventually nationalised the company.
though MAS might not be the best-run company but who's perfect. we might not be getting the most $$$ but i think job-security, flexibility, job-satisfaction, etc. are other considerations. you can even turn its' 'incompetencies' to your own advantage
if you know what i mean.do strive to achieve your dream...
SR
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Thanx a lot ..... superanger...... actually i am in the process of brushing up my CV ...... and finding the right words to break the news later on for my supervisor. But not rushing it until i can get a confirmed green light about MAS hiring.
How does the selection process work i mean the tests and interview...???
How does the selection process work i mean the tests and interview...???
MAS Hiring??
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rodondo,
the last time we checked, MAS has approx 90 expats, all capts. they are been deployed on the DHC6, F50, B737 and B742. we have some who were with us for more than 15 years.
the official reason MAS is still keeping the expats is that the company need some stablization cos the nationals are moving too fast from the lower fleets to provide the 'stable' factor. whether we buy it or not is another matter.
there were strong rumours about axeing the expats end of last year when things weren't so rosy but now with the reinstatement of almost all routes, thus there wouldn't be any reduction in man-power.
as i had mentioned in my previous post, most likely an opening for cadets should be in the works. as a matter of fact, the company just reconvene the long suspended PSB last week. (Promotion Selection Board, where crew are been selected to higher fleets)
should there be a newpaper advertisement, i will post it here.
SR
the last time we checked, MAS has approx 90 expats, all capts. they are been deployed on the DHC6, F50, B737 and B742. we have some who were with us for more than 15 years.
the official reason MAS is still keeping the expats is that the company need some stablization cos the nationals are moving too fast from the lower fleets to provide the 'stable' factor. whether we buy it or not is another matter.
there were strong rumours about axeing the expats end of last year when things weren't so rosy but now with the reinstatement of almost all routes, thus there wouldn't be any reduction in man-power.
as i had mentioned in my previous post, most likely an opening for cadets should be in the works. as a matter of fact, the company just reconvene the long suspended PSB last week. (Promotion Selection Board, where crew are been selected to higher fleets)
should there be a newpaper advertisement, i will post it here.
SR
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Thanx a million superanger...... it would be great if you can post it on here ....
OIC thats why MAS still has a large number of Ex pats.... I guess the nationals don't want to be stationed in the East (Sabah sarawak) and the 742 cargo kan? So its understandable....
What is life like during the training and where will it most likely to be (Melacca..i guess)???
Hope u can reply soon....as i can't concentrate much on other work ....... waiting for MAS to open
OIC thats why MAS still has a large number of Ex pats.... I guess the nationals don't want to be stationed in the East (Sabah sarawak) and the 742 cargo kan? So its understandable....
What is life like during the training and where will it most likely to be (Melacca..i guess)???
Hope u can reply soon....as i can't concentrate much on other work ....... waiting for MAS to open
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C.F.I.T.
'anak lelaki rela berdarah, anak kedah patang kalah'
Sounds like you already have. A very wise ol soothsayer can guide you to choose the "right" words to grease the egress.
Good Luck
Sounds like you already have. A very wise ol soothsayer can guide you to choose the "right" words to grease the egress.
Good Luck
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ManaAdaSystem,
That accident was not because of expats or a lack of them. Why you think theres a connection is a mystery to me.
Rodondo4,
I too believe MAS will take new cadets in the early future. The selection will be in a couple of stages. Most applicants will be screened out during the aptitude/psychomotor tests. Sometimes a few will fail the medical. So, if you get called up, it doesnt mean you're automatically in. Don't send your letter to your boss prematurely. I am not trying to discourage you but you wont be the only one trying to get a place. Go for it.
That accident was not because of expats or a lack of them. Why you think theres a connection is a mystery to me.
Rodondo4,
I too believe MAS will take new cadets in the early future. The selection will be in a couple of stages. Most applicants will be screened out during the aptitude/psychomotor tests. Sometimes a few will fail the medical. So, if you get called up, it doesnt mean you're automatically in. Don't send your letter to your boss prematurely. I am not trying to discourage you but you wont be the only one trying to get a place. Go for it.
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Before this accident, 80% of the F-50 copilots (expats) left the company. They were replaced by low time locals. When the accident happened, MAS were well and truly on the way to replace the expat captains with newly trained local captains. This very accident would never have happened with an aussie captain in the left seat, or a scando F/O in the right. Again, I stress, THIS accident. Poor airmanship and a passive F/O.
A high turnover of pilots is a worry for any fleet captain. The situation on the F-50 fleet at the time, laid the foundation for the accident. Other factors as well, but lack of stability played its part.
A high turnover of pilots is a worry for any fleet captain. The situation on the F-50 fleet at the time, laid the foundation for the accident. Other factors as well, but lack of stability played its part.
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ManaAdaSystem:
Thanks, i see your point now. Though i can't agree with you 100%. I believe local pilots are just as competent as expats. It would be good if they could roster a competent FO on the fleet with a new captain and vice versa.
Rodondo4:
I regret to inform you that i just heard a new rumour today. There wont be much movement for FOs. My fleet Captain told us there wont be any FO movement, at least on my current fleet, perhaps for the next 4 years. The management will try to compensate the lack of FOs by rostering more flights with captains on the co-pilot's seat. It is the standard practice on the 737s now and i suppose they are planning for it to be fleetwide. So, i can't foresee when they will take new cadets again. Don't give up hope. Things can change rapidly and suddenly in airline business.
Thanks, i see your point now. Though i can't agree with you 100%. I believe local pilots are just as competent as expats. It would be good if they could roster a competent FO on the fleet with a new captain and vice versa.
Rodondo4:
I regret to inform you that i just heard a new rumour today. There wont be much movement for FOs. My fleet Captain told us there wont be any FO movement, at least on my current fleet, perhaps for the next 4 years. The management will try to compensate the lack of FOs by rostering more flights with captains on the co-pilot's seat. It is the standard practice on the 737s now and i suppose they are planning for it to be fleetwide. So, i can't foresee when they will take new cadets again. Don't give up hope. Things can change rapidly and suddenly in airline business.
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NCC,
You require more hours from an expat captain than a local, and more hours from an expat F/O than your local F/O. The word is experience, although competance also suffer when people are being kick up the ladder at minimum hours all the time. That was the situation at the time.
You may not like the situation your company is in at the moment, but an added bonus is increased stability. Time to gain experience AND competance. Hopefully the expats will maintain that stability when things kick off again.
For our friend, Rodondo4, I wish him all the best. If he succeeds, I can only hope he will start on the F-50 i Sarawak. Sarawak is a jewel, one thats often overlooked by the West Malaysians. That is, if you know how to behave. Otherwise you might find yourself in a headless situation
You require more hours from an expat captain than a local, and more hours from an expat F/O than your local F/O. The word is experience, although competance also suffer when people are being kick up the ladder at minimum hours all the time. That was the situation at the time.
You may not like the situation your company is in at the moment, but an added bonus is increased stability. Time to gain experience AND competance. Hopefully the expats will maintain that stability when things kick off again.
For our friend, Rodondo4, I wish him all the best. If he succeeds, I can only hope he will start on the F-50 i Sarawak. Sarawak is a jewel, one thats often overlooked by the West Malaysians. That is, if you know how to behave. Otherwise you might find yourself in a headless situation
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Dear all :
Xpats were 'bush-flyers' in the early 70s' when MAS started.Xpats had lot of accidents which were 'swept under carpet' since the DFO was an Aussie.
The locals are up to international standard,and some are currently flying for foreign airlnes in Asia.
Think hard before you join MAS.
Xpats were 'bush-flyers' in the early 70s' when MAS started.Xpats had lot of accidents which were 'swept under carpet' since the DFO was an Aussie.
The locals are up to international standard,and some are currently flying for foreign airlnes in Asia.
Think hard before you join MAS.
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Still not giving up
Haven't logged on for a long time......been having a break watching the world cup in korea (during which I got the chance to sample my first taste of an LH Airbus 300-600 a Lufthansa B744 landing other than MAS [MAS landing better lah] and Incheon Airport)
Cheers everyone for their contributions especially NCC-1701e for your insider information.
Actually ManaAdaSystem, I think the F-50 is the best starting place to understand the mechanics of flying rather than fly a bigger plane stright away, as the smaller planes seems to be less stable (from a passanger point of view) so learn more lah. Let the plane goncang a little then can learn.
Its hard to contemplate ones dream ..... but with the current situation it seems difficult to even dream that dream. Well ..... still hoping lah for the best, in the mean time back to the books.
Dreaming the dream
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Cheers everyone for their contributions especially NCC-1701e for your insider information.
Actually ManaAdaSystem, I think the F-50 is the best starting place to understand the mechanics of flying rather than fly a bigger plane stright away, as the smaller planes seems to be less stable (from a passanger point of view) so learn more lah. Let the plane goncang a little then can learn.
Its hard to contemplate ones dream ..... but with the current situation it seems difficult to even dream that dream. Well ..... still hoping lah for the best, in the mean time back to the books.
Dreaming the dream
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rodondo,
just to keep your hopes up, just 2 days ago, an internal vacancy notice was issued. there will be some F/Os moving up from F50 & B737 up to the B744, B777 and A330. course slated to start in july. the way i look at it, there should be some cadet pilot openings soon. keep at lookout in the local papers...
SR
just to keep your hopes up, just 2 days ago, an internal vacancy notice was issued. there will be some F/Os moving up from F50 & B737 up to the B744, B777 and A330. course slated to start in july. the way i look at it, there should be some cadet pilot openings soon. keep at lookout in the local papers...
SR
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Well gents, there aint going to be anyone going for command for quite a while now, they just cancelled the F50 course. and sorry i don't think there's going to be any intake of cadets as well.
The company has been short of FO's for quite a while now, why haven't they started any recruitment after all it would take a while for the selection proses and all the RED tape. Even if they were to send any today, these guys would not get on line till early 2004, thanks to the slow training proses in Malacca.
So there must be a reason since we are very short of Fo's, now.....this is where Air Asia comes into the picture. It seem they want to take over all of the domestic operations from MAS just leaving MAS with a had full to service First class for poloticians and the like of them. It makes sence course they (Air Asia) do it cheaper for the paying public and MAS does not have to fork 1 million a day in loses, especially with the forming of the NEWCO.
Therefor it leaves MAS with a lot of unemployed pilots to be put back into the wide body system (not all, couse some will have to go, who?.....well your guess is as good as mine, maybe to Air Asia) thats the only way to get rid of the retirees (now on 1 year contracts only) and at the same time have sufficient strenght for all wide body and a limited number of narrow body for the next face where by increacing frequency.
The company has been short of FO's for quite a while now, why haven't they started any recruitment after all it would take a while for the selection proses and all the RED tape. Even if they were to send any today, these guys would not get on line till early 2004, thanks to the slow training proses in Malacca.
So there must be a reason since we are very short of Fo's, now.....this is where Air Asia comes into the picture. It seem they want to take over all of the domestic operations from MAS just leaving MAS with a had full to service First class for poloticians and the like of them. It makes sence course they (Air Asia) do it cheaper for the paying public and MAS does not have to fork 1 million a day in loses, especially with the forming of the NEWCO.
Therefor it leaves MAS with a lot of unemployed pilots to be put back into the wide body system (not all, couse some will have to go, who?.....well your guess is as good as mine, maybe to Air Asia) thats the only way to get rid of the retirees (now on 1 year contracts only) and at the same time have sufficient strenght for all wide body and a limited number of narrow body for the next face where by increacing frequency.
