CHINA SOUTHERN B777 CAPTS
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CHINA SOUTHERN B777 CAPTS
B777 Captains Excellent NEW TERMS ON OFFER - Chinese Contract
Sigma Aviation Services on behalf of our client based in Guangzhou, China are recruiting B777 Captains on a 2 Year Renewable Commuting Contract.
Our client has announced an increase in package available USD$215,400 annually
With our local presence in China, Sigma Aviation now has a dedicated Pilot Support Team providing the following services:
On the ground support
Assistance with accommodation; including previewing suitable accommodation options prior to positioning
Assistance with the setting up of bank account, mobile, internet, etc
Direct assistance in dealing with any communication issues that arise with the airline
Placement within 6 weeks of job offer being issued
All of this should assist with a more relaxed introduction to China
Excellent Package On Offer:
6 Weeks On / 2 Weeks Off
Excellent Basic Salary USD$16,950 per month(Net of taxes)
Monthly Housing Allowance USD$1,000
Generous Overtime Allowance
6 Tickets per year on China Southern Airline Network
Access to airlines ID travel facilities
Medical Insurance
Minimum Requirements:
3,000 hours Total PIC Hours on Jet Aircraft
600 hours Total PIC Hours on B777 aircraft
Flight on A330 a/c within the last 6/12 months
FAA/JAA/ICAO ATPL
Valid 1st Class Medical Certificate
ICAO Level 4 or higher English Proficiency
No older than age of 55 years at time of application
No history of Accident or Incidents
Non Criminal Record
Just some questions I'd like to ask for those who know:
What destinations is the 777 flying to, and likely future destinations?
What is the initital training like?
What are the normal layover times, along with CZ layover destinations?
Any other information that could be benneficial.
I look forward to your constructive comments.
Oz
Sigma Aviation Services on behalf of our client based in Guangzhou, China are recruiting B777 Captains on a 2 Year Renewable Commuting Contract.
Our client has announced an increase in package available USD$215,400 annually
With our local presence in China, Sigma Aviation now has a dedicated Pilot Support Team providing the following services:
On the ground support
Assistance with accommodation; including previewing suitable accommodation options prior to positioning
Assistance with the setting up of bank account, mobile, internet, etc
Direct assistance in dealing with any communication issues that arise with the airline
Placement within 6 weeks of job offer being issued
All of this should assist with a more relaxed introduction to China
Excellent Package On Offer:
6 Weeks On / 2 Weeks Off
Excellent Basic Salary USD$16,950 per month(Net of taxes)
Monthly Housing Allowance USD$1,000
Generous Overtime Allowance
6 Tickets per year on China Southern Airline Network
Access to airlines ID travel facilities
Medical Insurance
Minimum Requirements:
3,000 hours Total PIC Hours on Jet Aircraft
600 hours Total PIC Hours on B777 aircraft
Flight on A330 a/c within the last 6/12 months
FAA/JAA/ICAO ATPL
Valid 1st Class Medical Certificate
ICAO Level 4 or higher English Proficiency
No older than age of 55 years at time of application
No history of Accident or Incidents
Non Criminal Record
Just some questions I'd like to ask for those who know:
What destinations is the 777 flying to, and likely future destinations?
What is the initital training like?
What are the normal layover times, along with CZ layover destinations?
Any other information that could be benneficial.
I look forward to your constructive comments.
Oz
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"Valid 1st Class Medical Certificate"
HAHA ... This means nothing! Why do they even bother asking for this. They have their own Medical standard.
So many medical failures...there's no way these guys are truly after experienced 777 drivers.
A sincere good luck though to any that pass!
HAHA ... This means nothing! Why do they even bother asking for this. They have their own Medical standard.
So many medical failures...there's no way these guys are truly after experienced 777 drivers.
A sincere good luck though to any that pass!
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"Valid 1st Class Medical Certificate"
HAHA ... This means nothing! Why do they even bother asking for this. They have their own Medical standard.
So many medical failures...there's no way these guys are truly after experienced 777 drivers.
HAHA ... This means nothing! Why do they even bother asking for this. They have their own Medical standard.
So many medical failures...there's no way these guys are truly after experienced 777 drivers.
Everyone working in china will fail their medical at some stage, then have to go through some serious tests to get it back. (apparently even invasive procedures, although the guy refused and left the job).
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The pilot I was referring to had an FAA licence, so probably another pilot.
Its another thread on here titled 'china pilot medical failures'.
Im sure its happened to a few.
The pilot I was referring to had an FAA licence, so probably another pilot.
Its another thread on here titled 'china pilot medical failures'.
Im sure its happened to a few.
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Two weeks ago the CAAC came out with new requirements; a brain MRI and carodit artery ultrasound. If you are 45 or older you have to do these every year.
Here is how this will work:
The CAAC will hire one of their sisters' cousins off a farm to give him a job. They will then buy the cheapest knock-off MRI off TaiBai (Chinese ebay). The 22 year old off a farm will be give 3 minutes of instruction on how to run the machine (green button on, red button off). He will be shown the form to fill out, including the "pass" and "fail" boxes. This will be the extent of his training. He will then be set loose on the pilot population, both Chinese and Expat. Expats however make up a large portion of the over 45 crowd in chinese cockpits.
BTW I just failed my medical yesterday, 2 times out of 4 now. BP again. This time I had the dreaded "small BP cuff". It is too small for our arms. Usually they have another goon hold it in place with two hands, they take the test, and you fail. This time I got to be the goon, and hold it in place with my other hand. I failed.
I checked my BP on vacation less than a week ago several times, and it was 120/75 all day.
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Here is how this will work:
The CAAC will hire one of their sisters' cousins off a farm to give him a job. They will then buy the cheapest knock-off MRI off TaiBai (Chinese ebay). The 22 year old off a farm will be give 3 minutes of instruction on how to run the machine (green button on, red button off). He will be shown the form to fill out, including the "pass" and "fail" boxes. This will be the extent of his training. He will then be set loose on the pilot population, both Chinese and Expat. Expats however make up a large portion of the over 45 crowd in chinese cockpits.
BTW I just failed my medical yesterday, 2 times out of 4 now. BP again. This time I had the dreaded "small BP cuff". It is too small for our arms. Usually they have another goon hold it in place with two hands, they take the test, and you fail. This time I got to be the goon, and hold it in place with my other hand. I failed.
I checked my BP on vacation less than a week ago several times, and it was 120/75 all day.
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This happened to my wife with our sons pregnancy.. they were going to admit her at 5 months preg due to high blood and she was going to lose the baby... or maybe she wanted to abort.. (option given..) Level heads prevailed, western ones, who noticed they had used the wrong size cuff on her. Given a Western size cuff, 118/75.. Glad I have a 2 year old son now..
They are medical muppets.. actually muppets at everything.
This happened to my wife with our sons pregnancy.. they were going to admit her at 5 months preg due to high blood and she was going to lose the baby... or maybe she wanted to abort.. (option given..) Level heads prevailed, western ones, who noticed they had used the wrong size cuff on her. Given a Western size cuff, 118/75.. Glad I have a 2 year old son now..
They are medical muppets.. actually muppets at everything.
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6 & 2 is NOT a commuting contract. Can someone not start some sort of revolution within the pilot group worldwide so people stop accepting these terms? From all the BS in the Middle East regarding changing T&C's and working pilots to the bone, to these dubious Asian contracts, where does it all end?
Honestly the technology is out there. Can we all just grow a set and start to put our collective feet down and bring the industry up about 10 notches? Last time I checked planes don't fly on there own. If a vegetable seller in Tunisia can be the catalyst for the Arab Spring by setting himself on fire than why can't pilots worldwide not unite for the sake of their profession? (clearly not suggesting anyone set themselves alight) but really.....enough is enough
Honestly the technology is out there. Can we all just grow a set and start to put our collective feet down and bring the industry up about 10 notches? Last time I checked planes don't fly on there own. If a vegetable seller in Tunisia can be the catalyst for the Arab Spring by setting himself on fire than why can't pilots worldwide not unite for the sake of their profession? (clearly not suggesting anyone set themselves alight) but really.....enough is enough
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I had long shelved my plan of ever joining a chinese carrier, after doing some research and talking to agencies for feel of pulses and now no longer current in any of the 2 popular ratings (330 & 777, plenty of time on both but more than 6 months on latter.)
In essence, it's very simple, too many jobless (or about to be) pilots from mainly Europe and North America willing to work for almost nothing. Thank goodness many are inadequately qualified.
But still, the numbers are there and I won't hold my breath for getting these blokes to unite and stand firm against these sort of intentional discrimination, whilst needing our expertise.
Those of us with secure jobs would simply laugh at this 6 on 2 off "commuting" contract, let alone the lunacy and non transparent nature of its medical and licensing procedures.
Spoke to a mate of mine who actually attended China Southern interview process just for experience (he made it clear that he just wanted to confirm the ridiculous SIM Check profile and medical procedures). You will not believe how entertaining it was, we had a good laugh over beer & BBQ and concluded that only desperate souls need to apply. It's gonna be a long while before they would come to their senses, of which many believe they won't.
Best of luck to those who still wiling to sell themselves short, and be prepared for uncertainties that lie ahead of you.
In essence, it's very simple, too many jobless (or about to be) pilots from mainly Europe and North America willing to work for almost nothing. Thank goodness many are inadequately qualified.
But still, the numbers are there and I won't hold my breath for getting these blokes to unite and stand firm against these sort of intentional discrimination, whilst needing our expertise.
Those of us with secure jobs would simply laugh at this 6 on 2 off "commuting" contract, let alone the lunacy and non transparent nature of its medical and licensing procedures.
Spoke to a mate of mine who actually attended China Southern interview process just for experience (he made it clear that he just wanted to confirm the ridiculous SIM Check profile and medical procedures). You will not believe how entertaining it was, we had a good laugh over beer & BBQ and concluded that only desperate souls need to apply. It's gonna be a long while before they would come to their senses, of which many believe they won't.
Best of luck to those who still wiling to sell themselves short, and be prepared for uncertainties that lie ahead of you.
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G´day Chaps. Background information: Most of the Administrators in the Far-East outfits have about 12 to 24 days of annual leave per year. They see the six times two weeks off a gracious gift. They are present from early morning until late afternoon at least. A good Guy/Gal leaves when the Team leader gets up and get his Jacket or Coat to leave. Then the collective dinner get drunk run with the coworkers and the "second stop" before going home around midnight to show up for another round next morning about 08:00 hrs at the office. Two weeks out of that pattern is heaven !
I was commuting for many years on diffrent contracts, have seen many Families and relationships braking apart despite the efforts of keeping it together and make it work. Commuting is not for everyone ! Commuting to and from Asia can be even worse !
You have a contract, stating terms and conditions that means alot and everything to you but nothing for your Asian counterpart. Long nosed round eyed people have a diffrent understanding of the written word on a piece of signed paper. This paper is maybe the "holy gral" for you and the countersigner just use it in the same value as the toilet paper.
AAI is using time on and time off and if you live close at the base it is your luck but the roster is not that stable due to the nature of business.
KAL has shortcomings but uses 20 days on and 9 days at home as a contractual base, you get two or three days of travel and you can use 24 days of annual leave over the year. In General people talk about 20/10 contracts.
THY is using 3 weeks on and 1 week off theoretically as contractual base and you fly home and back on theire time.
China needs to either accept the fact that quality people will come when they get quality treatment. It will be a balance process. As long as there are people out to take the
and do what it is offered then you will have a hard stand that you will see the Chinese turning in and change the system for a few Foreigners, you are not welcomed, you are needed to fly a plane and make some people earning money, that is all.
Humans do not count, China has enough of them and they can be replaced anytime. I could bore you more with the Confuzian system and the random punishment that is used to earn "Asian respect", we call it fear. We learned that people with fear have not creativity at work and the contribution towards the job remains as a minimum to avoid a possible punishment. People who are able to do the job without any punitive pressure have a better performance. It may take another century until this wisdom is landing on Asian shores but until then I am not seeking anything close to there.
More then 3 weeks away from home, you need to have a ugly wife at home and your kid´s must be bastards and you are the Desperado.....
I was commuting for many years on diffrent contracts, have seen many Families and relationships braking apart despite the efforts of keeping it together and make it work. Commuting is not for everyone ! Commuting to and from Asia can be even worse !
You have a contract, stating terms and conditions that means alot and everything to you but nothing for your Asian counterpart. Long nosed round eyed people have a diffrent understanding of the written word on a piece of signed paper. This paper is maybe the "holy gral" for you and the countersigner just use it in the same value as the toilet paper.
AAI is using time on and time off and if you live close at the base it is your luck but the roster is not that stable due to the nature of business.
KAL has shortcomings but uses 20 days on and 9 days at home as a contractual base, you get two or three days of travel and you can use 24 days of annual leave over the year. In General people talk about 20/10 contracts.
THY is using 3 weeks on and 1 week off theoretically as contractual base and you fly home and back on theire time.
China needs to either accept the fact that quality people will come when they get quality treatment. It will be a balance process. As long as there are people out to take the
and do what it is offered then you will have a hard stand that you will see the Chinese turning in and change the system for a few Foreigners, you are not welcomed, you are needed to fly a plane and make some people earning money, that is all. Humans do not count, China has enough of them and they can be replaced anytime. I could bore you more with the Confuzian system and the random punishment that is used to earn "Asian respect", we call it fear. We learned that people with fear have not creativity at work and the contribution towards the job remains as a minimum to avoid a possible punishment. People who are able to do the job without any punitive pressure have a better performance. It may take another century until this wisdom is landing on Asian shores but until then I am not seeking anything close to there.
More then 3 weeks away from home, you need to have a ugly wife at home and your kid´s must be bastards and you are the Desperado.....
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Cannot agree more with the previous posters.
But, at the end of the day, that's our fault: we've been selling ourselves like cheap w....s.
What's more surprising is even at the top of the chain food things aren't any better.
At Jet Airways, for instance, there was one of the best 777/330 contracts around.
Then they discovered a cheap source on the old grannies, already living on a confortable retirement pension but bored with that ugly wife or of being bashed by the grandsons.
They accepted in droves the ridiculous 'commuting' 6 weeks on 2 weeks off based in Mumbai!
They did it moved by selfish greed and so further eroded the market conditions.
We should have no respect for that scum.
But, at the end of the day, that's our fault: we've been selling ourselves like cheap w....s.
What's more surprising is even at the top of the chain food things aren't any better.
At Jet Airways, for instance, there was one of the best 777/330 contracts around.
Then they discovered a cheap source on the old grannies, already living on a confortable retirement pension but bored with that ugly wife or of being bashed by the grandsons.
They accepted in droves the ridiculous 'commuting' 6 weeks on 2 weeks off based in Mumbai!
They did it moved by selfish greed and so further eroded the market conditions.
We should have no respect for that scum.
