Pay to Fly without salary OR type rating?
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Pay to Fly without salary OR type rating?
I have this offer where I get 500 hours on a beech 1900 in an year for about 27000 dollars.Basically P2F.But without a salary or stipend,in US of A.
I am confused should I do that or get a type rating in any aircraft like A 320 or 737 or ATR.whatever.
just confused,what would you do?
Its not like I have a money tree at my backyard,heck,I dont even have a backyard.
What should I do ?please,any suggestion,seeing the current scenario in India
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I am confused should I do that or get a type rating in any aircraft like A 320 or 737 or ATR.whatever.
just confused,what would you do?
Its not like I have a money tree at my backyard,heck,I dont even have a backyard.
What should I do ?please,any suggestion,seeing the current scenario in India
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Pay to fly ?
Sushantmmehta why the heck you want to destroy your own dignity? What is next? Pay for a Type rating, then fly again another 500 hrs for free? if you continue like that then you willnever have a backyard nore your Money Tree will be plantet....
Have a look at the Leading Thread in terms and conditions about the Industry. If people are willing to pay for what the companies should pay then the value of the whole core goes south or down the drain whatever you prefer.
Have you ever heard from a Doctor who pays that he is allowed to expand his qualification to become a surgeon as well? Did a Surgeon pay that he later can practice a Orthopaedic specialist? I doubt that. Now at least the Doctor getīs paid a lower wage whilst under training, he is still a Doctor and does medical work. Same for the Pilot, he getīs a Type rating and flies under training.... So he flies as a work... some similarity IMHO here.
So put that money on a savings account and wait until the crooks push the metal themselves and are either folding or have to pay some wages where the Pilots can at least make a basic living on. The inflation takes his toll also. So be alert and stay away, 27.000.-- $ for a Turboprop is a huge number. When it parkes on a savings account and you earn interest rate und you sit at home you earn more money then when you fly.... does that shed some light onto it ????
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Have a look at the Leading Thread in terms and conditions about the Industry. If people are willing to pay for what the companies should pay then the value of the whole core goes south or down the drain whatever you prefer.
Have you ever heard from a Doctor who pays that he is allowed to expand his qualification to become a surgeon as well? Did a Surgeon pay that he later can practice a Orthopaedic specialist? I doubt that. Now at least the Doctor getīs paid a lower wage whilst under training, he is still a Doctor and does medical work. Same for the Pilot, he getīs a Type rating and flies under training.... So he flies as a work... some similarity IMHO here.
So put that money on a savings account and wait until the crooks push the metal themselves and are either folding or have to pay some wages where the Pilots can at least make a basic living on. The inflation takes his toll also. So be alert and stay away, 27.000.-- $ for a Turboprop is a huge number. When it parkes on a savings account and you earn interest rate und you sit at home you earn more money then when you fly.... does that shed some light onto it ????
Fly safe and land happy
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Are we not CPL holders A.K.A Commercial Pilots.....< Commercial > means getting paid to work?
Sorry but doing this P2F is LAME ....keep the money in bank savings and get 4% per year on 27000 $ ...lol its less but still your money would be in bank and generating little but some money for you.Take a breath and relax just like many are doing.
TR without a job is risky....im from India and i currently know a dozen guys who got TR on either bus/NG sitting idle since 2 years....only those got job who had luck with hardwork or pull ....if you got later one ....then go ahead.
Regards !
Sorry but doing this P2F is LAME ....keep the money in bank savings and get 4% per year on 27000 $ ...lol its less but still your money would be in bank and generating little but some money for you.Take a breath and relax just like many are doing.
TR without a job is risky....im from India and i currently know a dozen guys who got TR on either bus/NG sitting idle since 2 years....only those got job who had luck with hardwork or pull ....if you got later one ....then go ahead.
Regards !
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Thank you for your replies.
I know these things,just wanted an opinion from you guys.
Most of the times I don't comment here,just read.
Like the fact that I read about MSD aviation,how people were desperate,saying its fraud,and now they tell me,theres already a batch out?
you know,there is always someone in this field who would gladly do your work for lesser pay(or NONE at all!).
attitudeFlying - Yes your option is the best.Thank you.
I was reading a post about random questions of an unemployed Indian pilot,nobody bothered to answer,or at least just a couple did.while we keep banging our heads on threads such as jet airways first officer and stuff.
This question was just a thought,not what I actually intend to do.Never had luck going my way since I came back from flying.Been 3 years sitting at home,WITH a DGCA licence.
I just hope things get well soon.
Thanks a lot again for your replies..
Cheers
Keep helping each other out!
I know these things,just wanted an opinion from you guys.
Most of the times I don't comment here,just read.
Like the fact that I read about MSD aviation,how people were desperate,saying its fraud,and now they tell me,theres already a batch out?
you know,there is always someone in this field who would gladly do your work for lesser pay(or NONE at all!).
attitudeFlying - Yes your option is the best.Thank you.
I was reading a post about random questions of an unemployed Indian pilot,nobody bothered to answer,or at least just a couple did.while we keep banging our heads on threads such as jet airways first officer and stuff.
This question was just a thought,not what I actually intend to do.Never had luck going my way since I came back from flying.Been 3 years sitting at home,WITH a DGCA licence.
I just hope things get well soon.
Thanks a lot again for your replies..
Cheers
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Sushant,
You have to ask yourself what will you do after one year and 500 hours of BE1900 hours? Do you think you will be more employable in India? I do not think so. Almost all the airlines in India prefer time on type and they don't care if you have 500 hours of BE1900 hours.
So, you have been sitting at home for past 3 years but at least you do not have the $27,000 (plus all the other expenses in the USA) debt and bank breathing on your neck asking for their borrowed money back.
The scheme may have worked for someone in the past, but in your case it will be a complete waste of money.
You have to ask yourself what will you do after one year and 500 hours of BE1900 hours? Do you think you will be more employable in India? I do not think so. Almost all the airlines in India prefer time on type and they don't care if you have 500 hours of BE1900 hours.
So, you have been sitting at home for past 3 years but at least you do not have the $27,000 (plus all the other expenses in the USA) debt and bank breathing on your neck asking for their borrowed money back.
The scheme may have worked for someone in the past, but in your case it will be a complete waste of money.
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@ Desipilot
I have admired your few posts that i have read so far....and i know P2F is a virus that will be taken by few and kicked by others...but can you suggest a few ways of accumulating hours from basic 250-300 TT where we will actually get paid be it in peanuts but still not degrading the term COMMERCIAL in INDIA...without actually kicking dirts on low hour guys like few have being doing in PPRUNE.
Regards !
I have admired your few posts that i have read so far....and i know P2F is a virus that will be taken by few and kicked by others...but can you suggest a few ways of accumulating hours from basic 250-300 TT where we will actually get paid be it in peanuts but still not degrading the term COMMERCIAL in INDIA...without actually kicking dirts on low hour guys like few have being doing in PPRUNE.
Regards !
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Yup,you are right,just wanted opinions.
anyways,India does not have jobs for pilots with 500 on aircraft like BE1900,but other countries do.
I am not going to pursue this,I would again say that just wanted opinions from you guys out there.There was a post I read somewhere in american forum,that guy said,If you really have the desire and jobs are not there in your country,go look for more place,there are a lot of jobs still in the world for pilots
Cheers again
and thank you for not throwing dirt for asking such a question!
Yup,you are right,just wanted opinions.
anyways,India does not have jobs for pilots with 500 on aircraft like BE1900,but other countries do.
I am not going to pursue this,I would again say that just wanted opinions from you guys out there.There was a post I read somewhere in american forum,that guy said,If you really have the desire and jobs are not there in your country,go look for more place,there are a lot of jobs still in the world for pilots
Cheers again
and thank you for not throwing dirt for asking such a question!
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You must realise that these plicks would put the office girl into the RHS for a cup of coffee if they could get it past the regulators.
I know it is tough, but you guys hav to say NO to the oligarchs and Beancounters. If you do not, your children will suffer. Think about that, or stay celibate.
I know it is tough, but you guys hav to say NO to the oligarchs and Beancounters. If you do not, your children will suffer. Think about that, or stay celibate.
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Hello,
sorry sushan, you have an offer, but not an offer of employment. You have a business offer. You have switched from being an employee paid for skills to a customer used to fly other customers.
If an airline is not ready to pay for your training, your uniform, salary during training, per diem, then tell them NO.
I am not trying to insult you, don't feel attacked but:
everytime I hear about a guy joining a p2f program, makes me wanna take his licence and burn it, break his face and send him to jail.
I have this guy, son of a millionaire, showing off cause he is "flying" 737s in SE Asia, paid about 50.000 ish for that, and he is proud, asking his flying school mates why they can't find a job when HE can. Disgusting.
sorry sushan, you have an offer, but not an offer of employment. You have a business offer. You have switched from being an employee paid for skills to a customer used to fly other customers.
If an airline is not ready to pay for your training, your uniform, salary during training, per diem, then tell them NO.
I am not trying to insult you, don't feel attacked but:
everytime I hear about a guy joining a p2f program, makes me wanna take his licence and burn it, break his face and send him to jail.
I have this guy, son of a millionaire, showing off cause he is "flying" 737s in SE Asia, paid about 50.000 ish for that, and he is proud, asking his flying school mates why they can't find a job when HE can. Disgusting.
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greetings!!!
27000 is too much for a turbo prop.. but let me tell you one thing if right now in this present situation also if you have those hours you would get a job faster than the people waiting for airline vacancies.this i know for sure.
and one more thing is that if i was told to work without sal to gain hours but ofcourse not 27 grans.i would readily accept it and not think of what people think or define 'commercial' i would think of building my chances.
and one more thing is that if i was told to work without sal to gain hours but ofcourse not 27 grans.i would readily accept it and not think of what people think or define 'commercial' i would think of building my chances.
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in these desperate times i would worry more on how to pay back my parents hard earned money than rather think or care about integrity.i dont understand how someone loses his integrity if hw flies without sal.but fails to understand that having flown 1000 hrs on a type would easily get you in to corporate.unless you are still picky even now.well just remember to grab every opportunity you get forget what people say think ahead and beyond airlines and borders.
sorry if i offended anyone here..
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sorry if i offended anyone here..
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Friend, If the first job in your life is without a salary, What is the guarantee that you'll ever get appropriately compensated throughout your life. Working without a salary is injustice not only to yourself, But even to thousands of other pilots across the world who are suffering due to lower salaries.
Did you know that the Colgan crash was caused due to pilot fatigue ?
The First Officer had slept in the hotel lounge because she could not afford to rent something as simple as a hotel room for the night.
Mind you, She had quite some hours on the Q400 under her belt.
Do you want yourself, your friends and family to be flown by planes with such pilots ?
Besides, The P2F course is run by crooks who want profits from both sides. Fare paying passengers and even more by people who want to pay for that much sought after RHS.
Please do not encourage such gimmicks otherwise, The next trend will be to pay for your first job in Indian airlines as well. We are already seeing the pay for your own type rating scenario in India.
Best wishes for your career
Friend, If the first job in your life is without a salary, What is the guarantee that you'll ever get appropriately compensated throughout your life. Working without a salary is injustice not only to yourself, But even to thousands of other pilots across the world who are suffering due to lower salaries.
Did you know that the Colgan crash was caused due to pilot fatigue ?
The First Officer had slept in the hotel lounge because she could not afford to rent something as simple as a hotel room for the night.
Mind you, She had quite some hours on the Q400 under her belt.
Do you want yourself, your friends and family to be flown by planes with such pilots ?
Besides, The P2F course is run by crooks who want profits from both sides. Fare paying passengers and even more by people who want to pay for that much sought after RHS.
Please do not encourage such gimmicks otherwise, The next trend will be to pay for your first job in Indian airlines as well. We are already seeing the pay for your own type rating scenario in India.
Best wishes for your career
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greetings!!
i totally agree to your concern somewhat but it differs from case to case its not right to compare it to someone who could not afford a hotel room to sleep and crashed of fatigue.i can give you many examples of people who got hours and got jobs which paid handsomely immediately.anyway i just wanted to put my opinion.sitting home wont get you a job.i mean waiting for vacancies.
sorry if i offended anyone.
its just my opinion.
sorry if i offended anyone.
its just my opinion.
