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The following Qs have different answers, which is why I would appreciate if some of you who have recently appeared for this exam, could help me figure out the correct answer.
1. While transiting from quadrental system to semicircular system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
a. 8 km
b. 5 km
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classifies as
a. Class D
b. Class F
c. Class C
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
a. Beyond 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
a. High
b. Shallow
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
a. Proceed according to flight plan
b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome
c. Maintain VMC and land at the most convenient aerodrome
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
a. With the permission of ATC
b. Out side the stipulated time
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
a. 2,000 feet
b. 6,000 feet
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
a. 30 minutes
b. 1 hour
Many thanks.
1. While transiting from quadrental system to semicircular system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
a. 8 km
b. 5 km
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classifies as
a. Class D
b. Class F
c. Class C
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
a. Beyond 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
a. High
b. Shallow
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
a. Proceed according to flight plan
b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome
c. Maintain VMC and land at the most convenient aerodrome
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
a. With the permission of ATC
b. Out side the stipulated time
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
a. 2,000 feet
b. 6,000 feet
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
a. 30 minutes
b. 1 hour
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1. While transiting from quadrental system to semicircular system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
--> descend 500feet (track 090-179M and 270-359M, else no change)
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
--> climb 500feet (track 090-179M and 270-359M, else no change)
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
a. 8 km
b. 5 km
--> 5km
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classifies as
a. Class D
b. Class F
c. Class C
-->Class D
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
a. Beyond 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
--> within 2NM of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
a. High
b. Shallow
--> high
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
--> 1000feet
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
a. Proceed according to flight plan
b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome
c. Maintain VMC and land at the most convenient aerodrome
--> maintain VMC and land at nearest suitable airport
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
--> above Transition Altitude (which varies from 4000' to 23000' !) , my guess is 4000' is the answer.
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
a. With the permission of ATC
b. Out side the stipulated time
--> Outside the stipulated time
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
a. 2,000 feet
b. 6,000 feet
--> 6000feet
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
--> 1000feet
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
a. 30 minutes
b. 1 hour
--> 30mins for controlled flight, 1 hr for uncontrolled flight.
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
--> descend 500feet (track 090-179M and 270-359M, else no change)
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
a. Descend by 500 feet
b. Climb by 500 feet
--> climb 500feet (track 090-179M and 270-359M, else no change)
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
a. 8 km
b. 5 km
--> 5km
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classifies as
a. Class D
b. Class F
c. Class C
-->Class D
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
a. Beyond 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
--> within 2NM of nearest perimeter of aerodrome
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
a. High
b. Shallow
--> high
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
--> 1000feet
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
a. Proceed according to flight plan
b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome
c. Maintain VMC and land at the most convenient aerodrome
--> maintain VMC and land at nearest suitable airport
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
--> above Transition Altitude (which varies from 4000' to 23000' !) , my guess is 4000' is the answer.
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
a. With the permission of ATC
b. Out side the stipulated time
--> Outside the stipulated time
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
a. 2,000 feet
b. 6,000 feet
--> 6000feet
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
a. 1,000 feet
b. 2,000 feet
--> 1000feet
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
a. 30 minutes
b. 1 hour
--> 30mins for controlled flight, 1 hr for uncontrolled flight.
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@spreading_wings, thanks.
Here's what I have for answers:
1. b
2. a
3. a
4. b
5. a
8. a
9. b
10. a
Somebody kindly confirm what the correct answers are.
Here's what I have for answers:
1. b
2. a
3. a
4. b
5. a
8. a
9. b
10. a
Somebody kindly confirm what the correct answers are.
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the answers given by spreading wings do match my answers so i wont repeat them
however will repeat just one question which i feel answer shud be different
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
the lowest flight level in india can be 5000 so i wud prefer that as a option and am sure that wud be one of the option
however if we need to choose from the given options then will go for 5500
rest other answers are perfectly fine
however will repeat just one question which i feel answer shud be different
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
a. 4,000 feet
b. 5,500 feet
the lowest flight level in india can be 5000 so i wud prefer that as a option and am sure that wud be one of the option
however if we need to choose from the given options then will go for 5500
rest other answers are perfectly fine
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Here are my Answers > This might hurt!
1. While transiting from quadrental system to semicircular system, the a/c should:
Ans b. Climb by 500 feet - because the semi circular system is above the quadrantal, so the aircraft has to climb for going from Quad to Semi.
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
Ans a. Descend by 500 feet - Semi circular system is above Quad, so the aircraft has to Descend for going from Semi to Quad.
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
Ans b. 5 km For Class F and G. For Class B,C,D&E it is 8km if at or above FL 100 or 5km if below FL 100.
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classified as
Ans b. Class F - ATS Routes are classified under Class F in which Advisory service is provided to IFR flights and Flight Information Service to all flights if requested.
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
Ans b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome - and minimum 2000ft agl at all other places.
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
Ans a. High - if you are a good pilot thats how you would actually feel, if not then it would really not matter how you feel up there.
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
Ans a. 1,000 feet - it is between 2 reciprocal ifr flights, it is 500 for a reciprocal ifr and a vfr flight.
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
Ans b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome - but if in IMC continue as per flight plan....
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
And a. 4,000 feet - the lowest transition altitude in India is 4000ft and lowest flightlevel is FL 50. Cant recollect the name of this place but will put it up as soon as i remember it.
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
Ans b. Out side the stipulated time - Such times are notified byNOTAM's The effect of the notification of the Danger Area is to caution aircraft operators/pilots that it is necessary for them to avoid it for the safety of the aircraft when the areas are active. This type of area is indicated by the letter (D) preceded by two letter designator of the FIR and followed by a number e.g. VE(D)-72, indicates Danger Area No. 72 in Calcutta FIR.
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
Ans b. 6,000 feet - as mentioned in question 5.
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
Ans b. 2,000 feet - between FL290 upto FL460.
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
Ans a. 30 minutes . even if its the alternate that you are diverting to.
All the best
Ans b. Climb by 500 feet - because the semi circular system is above the quadrantal, so the aircraft has to climb for going from Quad to Semi.
2. While transiting from semicircular system to quadrental system, the a/c should:
Ans a. Descend by 500 feet - Semi circular system is above Quad, so the aircraft has to Descend for going from Semi to Quad.
3. VFR flights outside controlled airspace at height above 5,000 feet should not be carried out if the visibility falls below:
Ans b. 5 km For Class F and G. For Class B,C,D&E it is 8km if at or above FL 100 or 5km if below FL 100.
4. In India, the ATS Routes are classified as
Ans b. Class F - ATS Routes are classified under Class F in which Advisory service is provided to IFR flights and Flight Information Service to all flights if requested.
5. At an aerodrome, the aerobatics can be carried out above 6,000 feet
Ans b. Within 2 nm of nearest perimeter of aerodrome - and minimum 2000ft agl at all other places.
6. When approaching to land on a flat, darkened or flat snow covered surface, the approach might appear to be
Ans a. High - if you are a good pilot thats how you would actually feel, if not then it would really not matter how you feel up there.
7. The minimum vertical clearance between 2 a/c below FL290 is
Ans a. 1,000 feet - it is between 2 reciprocal ifr flights, it is 500 for a reciprocal ifr and a vfr flight.
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
Ans b. Maintain VMC and land at the nearest aerodrome - but if in IMC continue as per flight plan....
9. Above what height, the flight levels are to be used in India
And a. 4,000 feet - the lowest transition altitude in India is 4000ft and lowest flightlevel is FL 50. Cant recollect the name of this place but will put it up as soon as i remember it.
10. An a/c can fly over a danger area
Ans b. Out side the stipulated time - Such times are notified byNOTAM's The effect of the notification of the Danger Area is to caution aircraft operators/pilots that it is necessary for them to avoid it for the safety of the aircraft when the areas are active. This type of area is indicated by the letter (D) preceded by two letter designator of the FIR and followed by a number e.g. VE(D)-72, indicates Danger Area No. 72 in Calcutta FIR.
11. Over an aerodrome, aerobatic flights are permitted above height of
Ans b. 6,000 feet - as mentioned in question 5.
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
Ans b. 2,000 feet - between FL290 upto FL460.
13. At an uncontrolled aerodrome, a fresh flight plan is required if a flight is delayed by more than
Ans a. 30 minutes . even if its the alternate that you are diverting to.
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@LOFT
apart from the corrections mentioned above.... I would also comment on the first two questions. I cannot seem to understand the reason given by you.... In any case I have verified it from the text (The Great Air Regs book by Wg Cdr Bali), and your answer seems opposite.
It would be great if you could explain how you came to this theory of semi circular above quadrantal, just to update my concepts, if reqd!
@everyone else....For the last question on flight plan, I could only find distinction of an uncontrolled and controlled "flight". How do we possibly link it with an uncontrolled aerodrome?
@matthewgamm
Have you cleared the DGCA exam already?
Although each one of us try to give the best and correct answer, it would be best if you went through the book too, because DGCA is a different game!
Goodluck!
apart from the corrections mentioned above.... I would also comment on the first two questions. I cannot seem to understand the reason given by you.... In any case I have verified it from the text (The Great Air Regs book by Wg Cdr Bali), and your answer seems opposite.
It would be great if you could explain how you came to this theory of semi circular above quadrantal, just to update my concepts, if reqd!
@everyone else....For the last question on flight plan, I could only find distinction of an uncontrolled and controlled "flight". How do we possibly link it with an uncontrolled aerodrome?
@matthewgamm
Have you cleared the DGCA exam already?
Although each one of us try to give the best and correct answer, it would be best if you went through the book too, because DGCA is a different game!
Goodluck!
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Thanks, all. But, this is where I am stuck. Some of you say one thing, while somebody else says another.
Could somebody post the correct answers?
Could somebody post the correct answers?
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@matthewgamm : dont get confused my friend, here is the explanation.
Q 12)
In RVSM airspace from FL290 to FL 410, separation is 2000ft for non rvsm ac transitioning the airspace from a higher to a lower FL and 1000ft for rvsm approved aircrafts.
RVSM is not applicable all over india, there are specific regions for it. The Indian airspace is upto FL 460, Since the question only mentions above FL290 and nothing about RVSM, the correct and more generalised answer is 2000ft.
Still for your confirmation Refer Doc 4444 5.2.a which states,
a) a nominal 300 m (1 000 ft) below FL 290 and a nominal 600m (2 000 ft) at or above this level.
This is exactly what the DGCA is looking for.
Q 13)
Refer Doc 4444
4.4.2.1.2 In the event of a delay of 30 minutes in excess of the estimated off-block time for a controlled flight or a delay of one hour for an uncontrolled flight for which a flight plan has been submitted, the flight plan should be amended or a new flight plan submitted and the old flight plan cancelled, whichever is applicable.
I would select 30 mins considering the question to be regarding a Controlled Flight (Scheduled or Non Scheduled) even if the aerodrome is uncontrolled.
Q 4)
Refer AIP ENR 2.1.1 which states
Airspace within ATS route segment is classified as ‘F’.
So the correct answer is F.
@itsbrokenagain
1) Thankyou for verifying the post.
2) Knowledge is not spitted out, it is shared, and thats what i am doing, any body can correct me if am wrong with my answers.
3)By the phrase "even if its the alternate that you are diverting to."
i meant that after departure if you divert to an alternate, the 30 min rule still applies, i hope you get it now. Its a good to know information with respect to the question asked.
4) Google is your friend and not mine. I depend on books, AIP and CAR, i suggest even you do so.
5) Quote "I only looked at this one answer, and totally discredited the rest of your post... others should too..sorry"......
Well do you have some sort of fan following on pprune that everybody should follow you...
I would appreciate if you could stick to pointing out any further discrepencies in the answers and restrict yourself to it without making any generalised comments.
@spreading_wings
Buddy, some regions practice the Quadrantal system, which is upto FL 140, and in such regions the Semi Circular system of airspace classification starts at FL 150 upto FL 460. Thus the Semi Circular system is Lying above the Quadrantal system, in those areas.
The Semi Circular and the Quadrantal system dont co exist in the same airspace, ie for example between FL 50 to FL 140 if you have a Quad system being used, you cannot assign a level that is based on the SemiCircular system to a departing AC. I hope you have understood, and i stand to be corrected if i am wrong anywhere.
Thankyou.
Q 12)
In RVSM airspace from FL290 to FL 410, separation is 2000ft for non rvsm ac transitioning the airspace from a higher to a lower FL and 1000ft for rvsm approved aircrafts.
RVSM is not applicable all over india, there are specific regions for it. The Indian airspace is upto FL 460, Since the question only mentions above FL290 and nothing about RVSM, the correct and more generalised answer is 2000ft.
Still for your confirmation Refer Doc 4444 5.2.a which states,
a) a nominal 300 m (1 000 ft) below FL 290 and a nominal 600m (2 000 ft) at or above this level.
This is exactly what the DGCA is looking for.
Q 13)
Refer Doc 4444
4.4.2.1.2 In the event of a delay of 30 minutes in excess of the estimated off-block time for a controlled flight or a delay of one hour for an uncontrolled flight for which a flight plan has been submitted, the flight plan should be amended or a new flight plan submitted and the old flight plan cancelled, whichever is applicable.
I would select 30 mins considering the question to be regarding a Controlled Flight (Scheduled or Non Scheduled) even if the aerodrome is uncontrolled.
Q 4)
Refer AIP ENR 2.1.1 which states
Airspace within ATS route segment is classified as ‘F’.
So the correct answer is F.
@itsbrokenagain
1) Thankyou for verifying the post.
2) Knowledge is not spitted out, it is shared, and thats what i am doing, any body can correct me if am wrong with my answers.
3)By the phrase "even if its the alternate that you are diverting to."
i meant that after departure if you divert to an alternate, the 30 min rule still applies, i hope you get it now. Its a good to know information with respect to the question asked.
4) Google is your friend and not mine. I depend on books, AIP and CAR, i suggest even you do so.
5) Quote "I only looked at this one answer, and totally discredited the rest of your post... others should too..sorry"......
Well do you have some sort of fan following on pprune that everybody should follow you...
I would appreciate if you could stick to pointing out any further discrepencies in the answers and restrict yourself to it without making any generalised comments.
@spreading_wings
Buddy, some regions practice the Quadrantal system, which is upto FL 140, and in such regions the Semi Circular system of airspace classification starts at FL 150 upto FL 460. Thus the Semi Circular system is Lying above the Quadrantal system, in those areas.
The Semi Circular and the Quadrantal system dont co exist in the same airspace, ie for example between FL 50 to FL 140 if you have a Quad system being used, you cannot assign a level that is based on the SemiCircular system to a departing AC. I hope you have understood, and i stand to be corrected if i am wrong anywhere.
Thankyou.
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@loft:
i m not very much convinced by your explanation for quadrantal and semicircular levels
well if u see the options its clearly mentioned climb or descent by 500 feet
concentrate on 500 feet
so here basically they are saying that quad and semicircular level co exists
so if u r flying on track say 130 degrees then u will fly odd+500 for quad suppose 5500
now if u want to choose semicircular level then u have to descend to 5000 feet
that is descend by 500 feet since u need to go to an odd level
so from quad to semicircular u need to descend by 500 feet
well thats wat i think and have seen the same answer in a book too
and regarding the at routes i did confirmed and yes its class f for ats routes
also ats routes are classified as class e airspace also which are not in class f
now regarding the validity of flight plan its highly possible that the person mite have remembered uncontrolled aerodrome instead of uncontrolled flight so its better if we use 1 hour because it can be a typing error too
i m not very much convinced by your explanation for quadrantal and semicircular levels
well if u see the options its clearly mentioned climb or descent by 500 feet
concentrate on 500 feet
so here basically they are saying that quad and semicircular level co exists
so if u r flying on track say 130 degrees then u will fly odd+500 for quad suppose 5500
now if u want to choose semicircular level then u have to descend to 5000 feet
that is descend by 500 feet since u need to go to an odd level
so from quad to semicircular u need to descend by 500 feet
well thats wat i think and have seen the same answer in a book too
and regarding the at routes i did confirmed and yes its class f for ats routes
also ats routes are classified as class e airspace also which are not in class f
now regarding the validity of flight plan its highly possible that the person mite have remembered uncontrolled aerodrome instead of uncontrolled flight so its better if we use 1 hour because it can be a typing error too
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now i have my one more question
in india is class f considered as controlled or uncontrolled airspace
it will be better if the answer is accompanied by some reference
as far as i have studied its taken as uncontrolled airspace as per the bali book
and also there is classification of airspaces given given in aip enr 1.4
but then i just cant find 1.4 on the aai site
after 1.3 directly comes 1.5 in aip enr
in india is class f considered as controlled or uncontrolled airspace
it will be better if the answer is accompanied by some reference
as far as i have studied its taken as uncontrolled airspace as per the bali book
and also there is classification of airspaces given given in aip enr 1.4
but then i just cant find 1.4 on the aai site
after 1.3 directly comes 1.5 in aip enr
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1) Quote "well if u see the options its clearly mentioned climb or descent by 500 feet concentrate on 500 feet.
so here basically they are saying that quad and semicircular level co exists"
Well there are always 4 options in the dgca papers, i would be interested to know how you would analyse the question then, with 2 more options to choose from, what are they trying to say then.
Only the right answer will justify the question not the options, so by giving the other 3 options they dont mean that quad and semi coexist. Hope you get my point.
Also Flight level are used to maintain a minimum separation between two aircrafts, the ATC assigns the levels, we can only request them for the desired level as pilots. And When Quad is in use they wont assign a Semi Circular Level.
2) Quote "ats routes are classified as class e airspace also which are not in class f" --- incorrect
refer ENR 2.1.1
· Airspace within ATS route segment is classified as ‘F’.
· Airspace outside ATS route segment and controlled airspace is classified as ‘G’.
So its G and not E.
3) Quote "now regarding the validity of flight plan its highly possible that the person mite have remembered uncontrolled aerodrome instead of uncontrolled flight so its better if we use 1 hour because it can be a typing error too"
The people setting up the examination papers are not babus, contradictory to everyone's belief, they know there job well enough.
And the typing error may result in a spelling mistake and not changing the word itself.
You can very much have a controlled flight land at and take off from an uncontrolled aerodrome.
4) Quote "now i have my one more question
in india is class f considered as controlled or uncontrolled airspace it will be better if the answer is accompanied by some reference"
Refer Annex 11_13ed, section 2.6
Class F. IFR and VFR flights are permitted, all participating IFR flights receive an air traffic advisory service and all flights receive flight information service if requested.
So its an uncontrolled airspace, i.e flights are not subject to an ATC clearance. If IFR you need to have a two way communication, and IFR to IFR separation is provided as far as practicable. And if VFR no separation is provided, nor any communication with atc is necessary.
Also Read D4X-X2 and Refer Annex 11 Appendix 4... Hope i have cleared all your doubts.
1) Quote "well if u see the options its clearly mentioned climb or descent by 500 feet concentrate on 500 feet.
so here basically they are saying that quad and semicircular level co exists"
Well there are always 4 options in the dgca papers, i would be interested to know how you would analyse the question then, with 2 more options to choose from, what are they trying to say then.
Only the right answer will justify the question not the options, so by giving the other 3 options they dont mean that quad and semi coexist. Hope you get my point.
Also Flight level are used to maintain a minimum separation between two aircrafts, the ATC assigns the levels, we can only request them for the desired level as pilots. And When Quad is in use they wont assign a Semi Circular Level.
2) Quote "ats routes are classified as class e airspace also which are not in class f" --- incorrect
refer ENR 2.1.1
· Airspace within ATS route segment is classified as ‘F’.
· Airspace outside ATS route segment and controlled airspace is classified as ‘G’.
So its G and not E.
3) Quote "now regarding the validity of flight plan its highly possible that the person mite have remembered uncontrolled aerodrome instead of uncontrolled flight so its better if we use 1 hour because it can be a typing error too"
The people setting up the examination papers are not babus, contradictory to everyone's belief, they know there job well enough.
And the typing error may result in a spelling mistake and not changing the word itself.
You can very much have a controlled flight land at and take off from an uncontrolled aerodrome.
4) Quote "now i have my one more question
in india is class f considered as controlled or uncontrolled airspace it will be better if the answer is accompanied by some reference"
Refer Annex 11_13ed, section 2.6
Class F. IFR and VFR flights are permitted, all participating IFR flights receive an air traffic advisory service and all flights receive flight information service if requested.
So its an uncontrolled airspace, i.e flights are not subject to an ATC clearance. If IFR you need to have a two way communication, and IFR to IFR separation is provided as far as practicable. And if VFR no separation is provided, nor any communication with atc is necessary.
Also Read D4X-X2 and Refer Annex 11 Appendix 4... Hope i have cleared all your doubts.
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well true enough
but still if we dont look at options and just the question
then from quad to semi circular we need to descend
for the explanation u can chek out my previous
i wud be waiting for u reviews on that
and even if in the options 500 feet is not given then too u wont climb 1500 feet
its always better to descend 500 feet
so if u 130 degrees and say at 5500 feet according to quad rule and u want to fly according to semi circular rule
wat will u do
u will have 2 options that is 5000 feet or 7000 feet
and dont bring atc in the middle on this question
well if thats the case then various things can also be considered
so lets just take it as theoretical question only instead of taking into practical terms
i hope u get my point
and still if u dont want to agree to this procedure then atleast i have a book which confirms this answer word by word
what about you??
regarding the ats routes i did read aip
but in bali book its written that some ats routes are assigned class f and their designators are also given
but then other than that they are classified as class e
this is what the book says and i don't think they might make such a blunder
and regarding the typing mistake i meant that the guy who posted these questions mite have made a mistake or else from the question bank wer he copied from
i m not blaming the dgca officials
but all the question banks available with classes are my memorized questions and options
so its highly possible
and lets take it as uncontrolled airport only..........why r u so interested in controlled flight. why cant an uncontrolled flight fly out there.
this can have sure shot lot of chances then a controlled flight flying in uncontrolled aerodrome.
i m not denying the fact but still answer can be also 1 hour instead of 30 mins
and regarding the class f airspace
thanks for solving my doubt
but still if we dont look at options and just the question
then from quad to semi circular we need to descend
for the explanation u can chek out my previous
i wud be waiting for u reviews on that
and even if in the options 500 feet is not given then too u wont climb 1500 feet
its always better to descend 500 feet
so if u 130 degrees and say at 5500 feet according to quad rule and u want to fly according to semi circular rule
wat will u do
u will have 2 options that is 5000 feet or 7000 feet
and dont bring atc in the middle on this question
well if thats the case then various things can also be considered
so lets just take it as theoretical question only instead of taking into practical terms
i hope u get my point
and still if u dont want to agree to this procedure then atleast i have a book which confirms this answer word by word
what about you??
regarding the ats routes i did read aip
but in bali book its written that some ats routes are assigned class f and their designators are also given
but then other than that they are classified as class e
this is what the book says and i don't think they might make such a blunder
and regarding the typing mistake i meant that the guy who posted these questions mite have made a mistake or else from the question bank wer he copied from
i m not blaming the dgca officials
but all the question banks available with classes are my memorized questions and options
so its highly possible
and lets take it as uncontrolled airport only..........why r u so interested in controlled flight. why cant an uncontrolled flight fly out there.
this can have sure shot lot of chances then a controlled flight flying in uncontrolled aerodrome.
i m not denying the fact but still answer can be also 1 hour instead of 30 mins
and regarding the class f airspace
thanks for solving my doubt
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@loft
one more question which u answered incorrectly
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
and u commented that it shouldn'[t be nearest
well who says that
when the rules of air in aircraft rule 1937 clearly mentions that
If in visual meteorological conditions, the aircraft shall:
a) continue to fly in visual meteorological conditions; land at the
nearest suitable aerodrome; and report its arrival by the most
expeditious means to the appropriate air traffic control unit ;
one more question which u answered incorrectly
8. On an IFR flight plan, but in VMC, you have comm. failure. You should
and u commented that it shouldn'[t be nearest
well who says that
when the rules of air in aircraft rule 1937 clearly mentions that
If in visual meteorological conditions, the aircraft shall:
a) continue to fly in visual meteorological conditions; land at the
nearest suitable aerodrome; and report its arrival by the most
expeditious means to the appropriate air traffic control unit ;
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one more question
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
Ans b. 2,000 feet - between FL290 upto FL460. RVSM rules apply out there.
your answer is correct
but
i am confused as rvsm rules apply from where to where
did you meant between 290 and 460 rvsm rules apply???
please clarify my this doubt
12. Reciprocal traffic above FL290 will have a minimum separation of
Ans b. 2,000 feet - between FL290 upto FL460. RVSM rules apply out there.
your answer is correct
but
i am confused as rvsm rules apply from where to where
did you meant between 290 and 460 rvsm rules apply???
please clarify my this doubt
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1) Quote "and even if in the options 500 feet is not given then too u wont climb 1500 feet its always better to descend 500 feet"
well i would like to know how do you decide if its better to descend or climb. Is it not depending upon your route, and the phase of flight you are in?
The question simply asks for quad to semi and vice versa, and thats what i have answered for.
2) Quote "and dont bring atc in the middle on this question well if thats the case then various things can also be considered so lets just take it as theoretical question only instead of taking into practical terms i hope u get my point"
Do you think ATC does not assign flight levels, or it works differently in actual practice and different in theory. Well i am not creating an imaginary scenario out here, just stating a fact. And i have always related theory to make things work in practical life, that is why theory is in place to make the actual thing more understandable.
3) Quote "and still if u dont want to agree to this procedure then atleast i have a book which confirms this answer word by word"
i would be interested to know the name of the book and the page number that you are referring to.
4) Quote "regarding the ats routes i did read aip but in bali book its written that some ats routes are assigned class f and their designators are also given
but then other than that they are classified as class e this is what the book says and i don't think they might make such a blunder"
What do you trust more, your book or the AIP. Or where does the author of your book get his info from, i am sure he doesnt create his own rules.
5) Quote "and lets take it as uncontrolled airport only..........why r u so interested in controlled flight. why cant an uncontrolled flight fly out there. this can have sure shot lot of chances then a controlled flight flying in uncontrolled aerodrome."
Yes i am interested in controlled flights, coz thats what i intend to fly, The Airlines, and irrespective of my interest what matters is what is DGCA interested in. It is anybody's guess.
6) Quote "i m not denying the fact but still answer can be also 1 hour instead of 30 mins"
Well i would select 30mins.
7) Quote "and u commented that it shouldn'[t be nearest well who says that"
My Bad, already edited that part now. Thankyou for this.
8) Quote "i am confused as rvsm rules apply from where to where did you meant between 290 and 460 rvsm rules apply???"
Well that phrase seems to be causing some confusion, i have now edited that part as well, already explained it previously.
9) Quote "and regarding the class f airspace thanks for solving my doubt"
You are welcome, thanks for correcting me too. As they say, you learn everyday!
1) Quote "and even if in the options 500 feet is not given then too u wont climb 1500 feet its always better to descend 500 feet"
well i would like to know how do you decide if its better to descend or climb. Is it not depending upon your route, and the phase of flight you are in?
The question simply asks for quad to semi and vice versa, and thats what i have answered for.
2) Quote "and dont bring atc in the middle on this question well if thats the case then various things can also be considered so lets just take it as theoretical question only instead of taking into practical terms i hope u get my point"
Do you think ATC does not assign flight levels, or it works differently in actual practice and different in theory. Well i am not creating an imaginary scenario out here, just stating a fact. And i have always related theory to make things work in practical life, that is why theory is in place to make the actual thing more understandable.
3) Quote "and still if u dont want to agree to this procedure then atleast i have a book which confirms this answer word by word"
i would be interested to know the name of the book and the page number that you are referring to.
4) Quote "regarding the ats routes i did read aip but in bali book its written that some ats routes are assigned class f and their designators are also given
but then other than that they are classified as class e this is what the book says and i don't think they might make such a blunder"
What do you trust more, your book or the AIP. Or where does the author of your book get his info from, i am sure he doesnt create his own rules.
5) Quote "and lets take it as uncontrolled airport only..........why r u so interested in controlled flight. why cant an uncontrolled flight fly out there. this can have sure shot lot of chances then a controlled flight flying in uncontrolled aerodrome."
Yes i am interested in controlled flights, coz thats what i intend to fly, The Airlines, and irrespective of my interest what matters is what is DGCA interested in. It is anybody's guess.
6) Quote "i m not denying the fact but still answer can be also 1 hour instead of 30 mins"
Well i would select 30mins.
7) Quote "and u commented that it shouldn'[t be nearest well who says that"
My Bad, already edited that part now. Thankyou for this.
8) Quote "i am confused as rvsm rules apply from where to where did you meant between 290 and 460 rvsm rules apply???"
Well that phrase seems to be causing some confusion, i have now edited that part as well, already explained it previously.
9) Quote "and regarding the class f airspace thanks for solving my doubt"
You are welcome, thanks for correcting me too. As they say, you learn everyday!
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i suggest you read your own post and see how much have u helped. Even after being a professional pilot, you are saying ATS routes are class D. Wow man, you got some great knowledge. i can only wonder about your flying skills.
quote "time for the ignore button!, see ya"
i think thats what you have been doing all this while. Ignoring Things
i suggest you read your own post and see how much have u helped. Even after being a professional pilot, you are saying ATS routes are class D. Wow man, you got some great knowledge. i can only wonder about your flying skills.
quote "time for the ignore button!, see ya"
i think thats what you have been doing all this while. Ignoring Things
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I don't think that a question on quadrantal system is likely to come since it is no longer used in Indian airspace (after 2006 I believe)...But there is definitely a high probability for questions on Semicircular system to come....
correct me if I am wrong..
cheers
correct me if I am wrong..
cheers
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1) u still havent answered the situation which i gave u
that 130 degrees track and 5500 feet
answer that and check your answer than
2) Do you think ATC does not assign flight levels, or it works differently in actual practice and different in theory. Well i am not creating an imaginary scenario out here, just stating a fact. And i have always related theory to make things work in practical life, that is why theory is in place to make the actual thing more understandable.
yes you can take things into practical way but then what the answer is will remain. what ever happens or even if u whack your brains on it.
3) i would be interested to know the name of the book and the page number that you are referring to.
refer air regulations book by wing commander bali chapter rules of air page 55.
4) What do you trust more, your book or the AIP. Or where does the author of your book get his info from, i am sure he doesnt create his own rules.
wel if you sure that he did not create rules on his own then why did he get this thing printed
to make it more simpler name out all the ats routes which are in class f airspace using your aip as reference
5) Yes i am interested in controlled flights, coz thats what i intend to fly, The Airlines, and irrespective of my interest what matters is what is DGCA interested in. It is anybody's guess.
and how do u know that dgca is also thinking the same thing
you intend to fly controlled flights, but then dgca doesnt intends you to do so.
so you see many situations can arise
6) Well i would select 30mins.
no comments on that, that will be your personal choice. but before going for such question i would love to look at the refernce and the exact question. ]
as you said dgca are not so dumb people that they will make rules for aerodromes and they will write flights in the paper
7) My Bad, already edited that part now. Thankyou for this.
you are welcome
8) Well that phrase seems to be causing some confusion, i have now edited that part as well, already explained it previously.
well thats fine. but still i think the rvsm is valid from fl290 to fl410 only however ifr flights are allowed to fly till fl460
this is what i have seen in the rules of the air and in a circular by dgca
would you like to comment??
9) You are welcome, thanks for correcting me too. As they say, you learn everyday
yes absolutely but still there are somethings left which we need to discuss upon
that 130 degrees track and 5500 feet
answer that and check your answer than
2) Do you think ATC does not assign flight levels, or it works differently in actual practice and different in theory. Well i am not creating an imaginary scenario out here, just stating a fact. And i have always related theory to make things work in practical life, that is why theory is in place to make the actual thing more understandable.
yes you can take things into practical way but then what the answer is will remain. what ever happens or even if u whack your brains on it.
3) i would be interested to know the name of the book and the page number that you are referring to.
refer air regulations book by wing commander bali chapter rules of air page 55.
4) What do you trust more, your book or the AIP. Or where does the author of your book get his info from, i am sure he doesnt create his own rules.
wel if you sure that he did not create rules on his own then why did he get this thing printed
to make it more simpler name out all the ats routes which are in class f airspace using your aip as reference
5) Yes i am interested in controlled flights, coz thats what i intend to fly, The Airlines, and irrespective of my interest what matters is what is DGCA interested in. It is anybody's guess.
and how do u know that dgca is also thinking the same thing
you intend to fly controlled flights, but then dgca doesnt intends you to do so.
so you see many situations can arise
6) Well i would select 30mins.
no comments on that, that will be your personal choice. but before going for such question i would love to look at the refernce and the exact question. ]
as you said dgca are not so dumb people that they will make rules for aerodromes and they will write flights in the paper
7) My Bad, already edited that part now. Thankyou for this.
you are welcome
8) Well that phrase seems to be causing some confusion, i have now edited that part as well, already explained it previously.
well thats fine. but still i think the rvsm is valid from fl290 to fl410 only however ifr flights are allowed to fly till fl460
this is what i have seen in the rules of the air and in a circular by dgca
would you like to comment??
9) You are welcome, thanks for correcting me too. As they say, you learn everyday
yes absolutely but still there are somethings left which we need to discuss upon