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Hi all Air Asia drivers,
I am trying to get some info about air asia and living in KL. Unfortunately I had no luck with the search function but maybe you have something for me?
I am flying in the ME and thinking of leaving. I know KL a little bit but would appreciate more info about living there especially with family incl. young kids. How are the accomodations, rents, social life etc. Also some info regarding the company would be great. In terms of rostering, overnights, salary leave etc..
Thank you all in advance
Cheers
paris
I am trying to get some info about air asia and living in KL. Unfortunately I had no luck with the search function but maybe you have something for me?
I am flying in the ME and thinking of leaving. I know KL a little bit but would appreciate more info about living there especially with family incl. young kids. How are the accomodations, rents, social life etc. Also some info regarding the company would be great. In terms of rostering, overnights, salary leave etc..
Thank you all in advance
Cheers
paris
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I flew with several ex Air Asia FO's at Vietnam Airlines. They complained about how hard they worked there.
I got bad news though. It is the rare pilot job in the world now that doesn't work you 80-100 hours per month. The only question is how they do it. Air Asia does it with a lot of sectors per day, and short turnarounds. The payback? More days off at home. I will take that.
Vietnam does it different. 2-4 short sectors per day, 1 hour turnarounds. you work 23 days per month, but you are home most nights, and my average duty day was 6 hours. That is OK for me as well.
Most US and European carriers now work 80+ hours a month, up to 100. It is the rare airline job that doesn't work your butt off. If you don't like it, a career switch might be in order.
I got bad news though. It is the rare pilot job in the world now that doesn't work you 80-100 hours per month. The only question is how they do it. Air Asia does it with a lot of sectors per day, and short turnarounds. The payback? More days off at home. I will take that.
Vietnam does it different. 2-4 short sectors per day, 1 hour turnarounds. you work 23 days per month, but you are home most nights, and my average duty day was 6 hours. That is OK for me as well.
Most US and European carriers now work 80+ hours a month, up to 100. It is the rare airline job that doesn't work your butt off. If you don't like it, a career switch might be in order.
FlyGuymy I thought Capts take home more like 24K. Are they paying higher taxes Now? Thats a rumour I heard. Before I believe Productivity was not taxed, if its true then I take home not much less as Turboprop Capt
My present Company has exemption on tax on Productivity allowance.
My present Company has exemption on tax on Productivity allowance.
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I just had a cuppa with one of my mates in Air Asia recently. This is what I gathered from him as an A320 line skipper based in KUL:-
1. Basic salary - MYR 12 000, taxable and escalating up to max 28%.
2. Productivity Allwnce - MYR 195/hr, average flying hrs/mth is 80 hrs and this is non taxable. TRI/TRE may get higher allwnce and non-taxable as well.
3. 95% of the time there is no overnight/layover anywhere outport. So you may disregard the per diem.
4. Basic medical coverage, unable to quantify how much is the Loss of Licence insurance. Certainly there is NO income protection plan.
5. No transportation allwnce and employees are expected to arrange own transportation to/fro working place.
6. Accomodation in KUL varies from MYR 1000 upwards depending which area/facilities/furnished or unfurnished/size etc. A normal 1200 sq feet furnished apartment in Subang Jaya/Nilai/Putrajaya/Cyberjaya/Seremban could cost from MYR 2500 upwards. KL city center is very much higher rates.
7. Beer/alcohol are expensive and starts from MYR 15 a pint (beer), depending which pub you are patronising. Ciggy - MYR 9.80/packet of 20 for an average brand like Dunhill/Benson.
8. Provident Fund - I think employer will put in 15% and you put in 10% per mth fm your basic salary. Stand to be corrected on this fig.
9. Working on 2 shifts system per day. Morning shift will start as early as 0400 and finishing at around 1400, Afternoon shift starts at 1300 and finishing at midnite/early morning. You can't choose your preferred shift but you will get a different shift after every off days.
10. Normal pattern on your roster would be 3 on 2 off and 3 on 3 off.
11. Chicks are cheap if you are Macho enough ........
12. Govt of Malaysia will not issue any work permit to foreigner applying for FO position due to surplus newbies in the market. So don't bother applying. However, DEC are welcomed, on local term. Sorry, I don't have any info WRT training bond.
13. With that gross income, you should fall into mid-upper class society in Malaysia.
14. I don't have any info WRT to international school fees but certainly cheaper than SIN or HKG by virtue of lower cost based.
15. Petrol is cheap, RON 95 is just MYR 1.80/ltr countrywide. Car prices varies from MYR 40k (locally made) to MYR 1.2 million for Porsche Cayenne Twin Turbo or Merc S500 class. A brand new Honda CRV will cost you MYR 150k on the road price.
16. Malaysia is pretty much a liberal Muslim country as long as you observe local sensitivities. It has 2 laws, secular and syariah laws. Syariah law is applicable to Muslim only WRT family and common offences. Other offences such as criminal, everyone is subjected to secular law.
17. Politically, it is a stable country compare to Thailand, Indonesia or Philippines although the crime rates has gone up lately.
As of today, the exchange rate is USD 1 ~ MYR 3.1, to 'flytoparis' BD 1 ~ MYR 9.50
Hope it helps
VR
1. Basic salary - MYR 12 000, taxable and escalating up to max 28%.
2. Productivity Allwnce - MYR 195/hr, average flying hrs/mth is 80 hrs and this is non taxable. TRI/TRE may get higher allwnce and non-taxable as well.
3. 95% of the time there is no overnight/layover anywhere outport. So you may disregard the per diem.
4. Basic medical coverage, unable to quantify how much is the Loss of Licence insurance. Certainly there is NO income protection plan.
5. No transportation allwnce and employees are expected to arrange own transportation to/fro working place.
6. Accomodation in KUL varies from MYR 1000 upwards depending which area/facilities/furnished or unfurnished/size etc. A normal 1200 sq feet furnished apartment in Subang Jaya/Nilai/Putrajaya/Cyberjaya/Seremban could cost from MYR 2500 upwards. KL city center is very much higher rates.
7. Beer/alcohol are expensive and starts from MYR 15 a pint (beer), depending which pub you are patronising. Ciggy - MYR 9.80/packet of 20 for an average brand like Dunhill/Benson.
8. Provident Fund - I think employer will put in 15% and you put in 10% per mth fm your basic salary. Stand to be corrected on this fig.
9. Working on 2 shifts system per day. Morning shift will start as early as 0400 and finishing at around 1400, Afternoon shift starts at 1300 and finishing at midnite/early morning. You can't choose your preferred shift but you will get a different shift after every off days.
10. Normal pattern on your roster would be 3 on 2 off and 3 on 3 off.
11. Chicks are cheap if you are Macho enough ........
12. Govt of Malaysia will not issue any work permit to foreigner applying for FO position due to surplus newbies in the market. So don't bother applying. However, DEC are welcomed, on local term. Sorry, I don't have any info WRT training bond.
13. With that gross income, you should fall into mid-upper class society in Malaysia.
14. I don't have any info WRT to international school fees but certainly cheaper than SIN or HKG by virtue of lower cost based.
15. Petrol is cheap, RON 95 is just MYR 1.80/ltr countrywide. Car prices varies from MYR 40k (locally made) to MYR 1.2 million for Porsche Cayenne Twin Turbo or Merc S500 class. A brand new Honda CRV will cost you MYR 150k on the road price.
16. Malaysia is pretty much a liberal Muslim country as long as you observe local sensitivities. It has 2 laws, secular and syariah laws. Syariah law is applicable to Muslim only WRT family and common offences. Other offences such as criminal, everyone is subjected to secular law.
17. Politically, it is a stable country compare to Thailand, Indonesia or Philippines although the crime rates has gone up lately.
As of today, the exchange rate is USD 1 ~ MYR 3.1, to 'flytoparis' BD 1 ~ MYR 9.50
Hope it helps
VR
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Thanks a lot for the info VR.. You answered all my questions which helps a lot in coming to a decision
. Salary is better in the Gulf but still an interesting offer..
All the Best
paris
. Salary is better in the Gulf but still an interesting offer..All the Best
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Hi everybody.
Are you willing to put up with this kind of Loc Cost Company...? They got the best award....why? Because you will have to work very very hard and you will have to take your food, water, glass, napkin, spoon ..
and clean the plane.
Are you willing to put up with this kind of Loc Cost Company...? They got the best award....why? Because you will have to work very very hard and you will have to take your food, water, glass, napkin, spoon ..
and clean the plane.
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I d like to highlight that according to Malaysian contract law, if u have bond with your company and u leave before end of bond period, it should be pro-rated. Of course this is only applicable if u chose to bring the matter to Industrial/Labour Court instead.
And if the contract says u have to pay 150% of total cost, its totally illegal.
And if the contract says u have to pay 150% of total cost, its totally illegal.
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that why I left...
I was a FO for AA. i had a good time. besides carrying all the food, 3 in 1 coffee and Milo i could carry for the day. my 80+hrs per month of flying was ok.. not so tiring, you get use to the quick turnarounds (15-20mins), Company EXPECTS 20mins...it depends how quick your cabin crew can off load and embark your pax. and how fast your FO can complete his loadsheet, W&B, FMC and cockpit workout.
The worst thing.. I experience as a FO, was that i was getting paid less than a cabin crew.. as mention above FO get approx 6000rm for 75-80hrs Most cabin crew at that time was getting 8000rm..(tax free- because there salary is only 1000rm below taxable rate)
Ok they where doing some overnight stops..but 6000rm for 80hrs and doing so much work...it a insult..OK.. I needed to get that off my chest...
The worst thing.. I experience as a FO, was that i was getting paid less than a cabin crew.. as mention above FO get approx 6000rm for 75-80hrs Most cabin crew at that time was getting 8000rm..(tax free- because there salary is only 1000rm below taxable rate)
Ok they where doing some overnight stops..but 6000rm for 80hrs and doing so much work...it a insult..OK.. I needed to get that off my chest...
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I was told RM 100K for 5 years which is reduced after 3yrs by half.
Sounds like you know someone at Firefly Azlee, the bond there apparently is using that 150 percent nonsense of the total cost
. Except for at least 1 capt I know who didnt get that in his bond .
Sounds like you know someone at Firefly Azlee, the bond there apparently is using that 150 percent nonsense of the total cost
. Except for at least 1 capt I know who didnt get that in his bond .
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Heard the 'short ass' DFO is "on the take"
Where bonds are concerned AA tries to rip off any one Tun F..n..do can.. greedy
making $$$ at expense of crew.??
Move on if need to.
Good luck guys!
Where bonds are concerned AA tries to rip off any one Tun F..n..do can.. greedy
making $$$ at expense of crew.??Move on if need to.
Good luck guys!
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Don't you hard working guys and gals have a problem with paying for your inflight coffee and sandwiches? Isn't it opportune for you to get organized and make fat dandy Fernandes provide crew meals?
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I am not a fan of 'fat dandy' and never work for Air Asia. However, I am very certain that 100% of Air Asia work force HAD APPLIED for the job and at NO TIME the fat dandy put a gun on their heads forcing them to accept the Ts & Cs ..............
It is HIS company and he is the MAHARAJA of his outfit .........
VR
It is HIS company and he is the MAHARAJA of his outfit .........
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Understood: Pilots bring their own sandwiches and water to work!
It's a "Love-It-or-Leave-It" mentality.
It's a "Love-It-or-Leave-It" mentality.
VR : Absolutely right! Its low cost, remember...
Good luck chaps!