DGCA Expat Phase-Out

[xuejiesandi]

Capt Apache

I edited it as I thought it was too harsh...& at this point I think enough being said...we;as in all of us; can't agree everyone...Hard work & focus are the keys...no one is inferior or superior/idiot or genius ..all make effort, if not all, a big lot is honest...& the world is b-e-a-utiful...

I sign out of this thread..wishing everyone all the success

[Capt Apache]

@drive73

I wish we had some numbers on how many visa's India allows for foriegn workers?

Dont worry Sir,We won't let you go empty handed or should I say that America won't allow us to let it go empty handed

US dictating India's big defence deals?: Rediff.com India News

[drive73]

Lol.. Yep the US gov has there hands in everything. It's too bad it doesn't know how to balance it's own check book.

[av8r76]

You're right about that but atleast they provide enough to everyone to avoid violent insurrection from its own people.

The books can be cooked but try bringing back the 70 odd lives lost in a matter of minutes. And the body count will only climb as time goes by.

Glass house buddy.

[Capt Apache]

Now thats valid criticism if we minus the Glass house bit Which America as a matter of fact is so keen on investing in all the time.Americans are smart people.They wont invest in a glass house buddy.

[Capt Apache]

Here are some sensationalist claims made by our American friends.

US asks India to raise cap FDI in defence to 49% - dnaindia.com

"Reforms to date have made Indian companies leaders in areas such as IT, pharmaceuticals, telecommunications, and now increasingly, in manufacturing as well as in clean energy. We
hope the India will seize the opportunity to undertake new
reforms that will both attract new investment and propel
higher growth," Assistant Secretary of State for South and
Central Asia Robert Blake has said.

Calling India as a rising global power, soon to be the world's most populous country, with a trillion dollar-plus economy, Blake said it is a model of a tolerant pluralistic society in the region

Beleive it or not.

[thornycactus]

Originally Posted by rdr

in my previous post, i did put the blame squarely on the authorities such as the DGCA, MOCA, Aviation Minister, politicians, press, babus.....etc, who dont have a clue about the industry.

DGCA is to be blamed partially. They are to be blamed for no organisation. However the biggest blame is on air-operators!


Air operators are the ones engaging expats! Expats are temporary and they will leave as long as their contract is not renewed.

Protest against air operators first than expats.

[Capt Apache]

Expats are temporary and they will leave as long as their contract is not renewed.

No Sir,
Expats will be here as long as demand persists.The fact is that If they were to be sent back now Indian companies would have had to cancel their orders for the aeroplanes they have committed to buy.There just aren’t enough Captains here.Having said that I think that the market will still be able to accommodate allot of newbies in the near future.

And lets not forget the fact that expats do bring a lot of value(other than some ).Look here.A company like Infosys is recruiting Expats

Infosys to hire 1,000 expats this year-Jobs-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

[thornycactus]

Who's Fault?

Originally Posted by Capt Apache

No Sir, Expats will be here as long as demand persists.

Precisely! I am rounding somebody who can respond to my posting.

I am telling everybody that do not blame the expat. Air-operators are to be blamed!

If there is a demand for experience pilots that means air-operators have to rely on expats.

[Capt Apache]

Indigo plans to take deliveries of 22 aircraft in 2 years.Spicejet will add 9 more aircraft by then.Who is going to sit in the left seat? How many people are qualified? If you have an ATPL license does it mean you are automatically fit to become a Captain ?

[drive73]

Blame the airlines??? Lets think about this. 1 billion + people a tiny airline industry and you want airlines to stop growing, send expats home, which will ground airplanes currently flying. You will probably be the first to complain about no flights and high ticket prices. Good forsight, you must work for the government..

[Capt Apache]

you want airlines to stop growing, send expats home, which will ground airplanes currently flying

That is so true.The problem is that people keep coming up with these conspiracy theories....Like there is some sinister plan at work behind the scenes to deliberately hurt local interests.They say....You know they are all corrupt...Taking money to recruit expats....Everybody's involved....Its all a scandal.....And yet if expats stop flying the same people will scream....You know...I told you he doesn't know how to run a company....He screwed up....Planes are grounded....This will be followed by another conspiracy theory.....There is no dearth of Einsteins here.

[drive73]

Ya, totally agree. They make far more money from fleecing the local pilots. They just can't see no general aviation in India means few qualified guys join these airlines and it will take time to develop a 250 hour pilot into a captain. With the rate of growth airlines in India have and the potential growth available, means expats are here for quite some time. Unless the industry starts shrinking.

[Capt Apache]

no general aviation in India

Thats the most relevant question for any Pilot in this country.If only Pilots here were less concerned with Hotels,Allowances,Seniority,Rank,Promotion and Of course Overtime, they would have been able to concentrate efforts on this only REAL issue confronting Indian aviation.This is the root of everything that is wrong with aviation in this country

[Capt Apache]

Incorrect news...So deleted...Sorry

[fullforward]

Question

Something very intriguing: why 70% of India international air traffic (I mean 70% of international passengers traffic) are made by international operators?
Lufthansa, Emirates, Air France, Delta, Brittish etc etc etc dominate the air transport to/from India.
This is because the locals have no competence to establish a healthy air transport industry, fueled by the gigantic corruption and the lack of any law to protect local carriers, or what?
Or there's some misterious reason for that?
Why Air India turned into a so shameful crumpled skeleton of an airline?
Why the 5th "recovery plan" in less than one yer wasn't accepted yet?

Why the only airline indians should be proud of has finding such a hard way to survive?

Strange country.

[Wannabe Flyer]

Why the only airline Indians should be proud of has finding such a hard way to survive?

Not sure which airline you are talking about

Please advise

a. Jet Airways
b. Kingfisher
c. Indigo
d. Spice Jet
e. Go

I would however agree with you that AI (yet to come cross any India who is proud of its current day Avatar) is having a hard time and that is probably because it is being run by politicians who much like their breed across the world have their own interest in mind.

This is because the locals have no competence to establish a healthy air transport industry, fueled by the gigantic corruption and the lack of any law to protect local carriers, or what?

Now that is a bit contradictory and from when I last checked free trade and healthy competition is good for the industry and passengers. If you feel the locals lack the competence to establish an airline then by that argument a law to protect local airlines would be terrible for the safety in the sky. As far as the thread it is more about the local labor laws.

I think it is called open skies policy. India’s Open Skies Policy read and learn

[Capt Apache]

@fullforward

Something very intriguing: why 70% of India international air traffic (I mean 70% of international passengers traffic) are made by international operators?

1. Because this is a Sunrise sector
2. Because various restrictions have been imposed (in my opinion) to protect a company that had already established and distinguished itself since its inception in 1993.The first restriction is to do with the mandatory 5 years of operation before international exposure.The second restriction is to do with the equity required for a start up.Jet Airways had distinguished itself as a market leader in the country and it is only fair that it was given a headstart in international operations due to merit.It is precisely such smart thinking and good regulations that kept Indian banks immune to the onslaught last year.Strange Country….Sure, but a smart one!
Domestic operations accounted for only 44 per cent of its revenues in the last Quarter.

If you are referring to Jet Airways as the airline Indians should be proud of ,you should also know that they posted a profit last quarter.Are you trying to make us believe that Jet Airways is the only company in the world that struggled in the last few years.Why forget companies in Europe and America.

Kindly do your own research on what happened to Air India; the erstwhile Maharaja of India.How it was taken over by the government ? And why it was taken over from Tata? Since you have proved that your knowledge about this country is dismal,take that as a homework. Yours Kindly

[drive73]

There are about 2 airlines in the world who have a relavent business model. Most opperate from a 70 year old money losing model. Most of the Indian carriers put out a very nice product. I would much rather sit on a spice, jet, indigo than delta, united, cal or just about any other airline in the world. They need to change the business models, and not mess with the end product.