Singapore Cargo Rumours (early 2010)
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A valid theory, but my contacts at EZ are preparing for two 744BCF's from AF and two 744F's from "unknown"; plus the time-frames are almost exact. I'd still love to hear any "other" rumors about SFF and SFN.....
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Just heard in the crew lounge that SQC will begin recruitment of DECs next month. Maybe those planes will be sale and leaseback?
Wouldn't make sense to hire guys if they were going to cut the fleet further - but then again that's exactly what happened in 08/09 resulting in the SAS guys having to leave so who knows really.
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Wouldn't make sense to hire guys if they were going to cut the fleet further - but then again that's exactly what happened in 08/09 resulting in the SAS guys having to leave so who knows really.
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I'm not deep in "the know", but my gut says no. The timing is all wrong and my intell on EZ is that they are getting 2 BCFs from AF and 2 744F's from SQC. But again; this is heard, not known.
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DEC interviews
Known. DEC interviews happening this week. 
Heard. Command courses for 2 F/Os are nowback on. It should have been 3.
Heard. Second Officer training now back on again.
Heard. Command courses for 2 F/Os are nowback on.
It should have been 3.Heard. Second Officer training now back on again.
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Oryx, I think the DECs are mainly chaps that were first interviewed a year or so ago and were told they were successful, only for the company to cease recruitment.
I dont think many capts who left last year would be too keen on returning.
Commands are expats who have been on local terms for a while I think.
I dont think many capts who left last year would be too keen on returning.
Commands are expats who have been on local terms for a while I think.
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I dont think many capts who left last year would be too keen on returning.
You got that right Arkdriver744…
Some of the reasons:
No more Bonuses
No more MVC
Unstable housing allowances
Unstable and inhuman roster
Position on long haul flights on Economy class seated by the toilet
; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights, (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) (Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!)
Minimum rest in almost all stations
Inexistence of staff travel (ID 75 is a joke)
Being an instructor without being paid for it (young FO’s with as low as 500 hrs seated on the right seat of a Jumbo jet)
The event with the SAS guys, regrettable
Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high
Someone can continue from here,,,
Good luck
Z
You got that right Arkdriver744…
Some of the reasons:
No more Bonuses
No more MVC
Unstable housing allowances
Unstable and inhuman roster
Position on long haul flights on Economy class seated by the toilet
; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights, (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) (Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!)
Minimum rest in almost all stations
Inexistence of staff travel (ID 75 is a joke)
Being an instructor without being paid for it (young FO’s with as low as 500 hrs seated on the right seat of a Jumbo jet)
The event with the SAS guys, regrettable
Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high
Someone can continue from here,,,
Good luck
Z
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Some of the reasons:
No more Bonuses
No more MVC
Unstable housing allowances
Unstable and inhuman roster
Position on long haul flights on Economy class seated by the toilet
; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights, (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) (Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!)
Minimum rest in almost all stations
Inexistence of staff travel (ID 75 is a joke)
Being an instructor without being paid for it (young FO’s with as low as 500 hrs seated on the right seat of a Jumbo jet)
The event with the SAS guys, regrettable
Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high
Someone can continue from here,,,
No more Bonuses
No more MVC
Unstable housing allowances
Unstable and inhuman roster
Position on long haul flights on Economy class seated by the toilet
; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights, (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) (Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!)
Minimum rest in almost all stations
Inexistence of staff travel (ID 75 is a joke)
Being an instructor without being paid for it (young FO’s with as low as 500 hrs seated on the right seat of a Jumbo jet)
The event with the SAS guys, regrettable
Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high
Someone can continue from here,,,
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Allow me;
It's not expat v. local pilots. It's contract v. local terms.
Main difference, local terms do not contain housing allowance and children's education allowance. For F/O's local terms are the only way to upgrade.
My understanding, new hire DEC's are hired on LOCAL terms only. Kind of like a "B" scale.
Now, on to zekeigo's accusations;
"No more bonuses"- strictly a function of profits, ie. no profit, no bonus.
"No more MVC"- It was inserted post SARS for use by mgt. check with ALPA-s regarding T&C.
"Unstable housing allowances"- Read your contract, it says that the housing allowance is to be adjusted to rflect changes in market. I won't comment on the speed with which it went up/down.
"Unstable and inhuman roster"- Unstable, yes, welcome to the world of the freight dog. Inhuman (the most misused term on PPrune). Gimme a break! you have no clue!
"Position on long haul flights on(I think you mean "in") economy class seated by the toilet"- Ya gotta sit somewhere during positioning!
"; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) At least your not by the toilet!
(Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!) Always been that way, you are NOT main fleet!
"Minimum rest in almost all stations"- Minimum rest is minimum LEGAL rest. It is not a violation of work rules(what work rules?)
"Inexistance of staff travel (ID75 is a joke)"- You don't like travel on the freighter?
"Being an instructor without being paid for it (young F/O's with as low as 500 hours seated in the right seat of a Jumbo jet)"- Part of being a Captain at SQC.
"The event with the SAS guys, regrettable- It wasn't regrettable, it was stupid!!!
"Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high"- They are not too high, the compensation package is too low!
It's not expat v. local pilots. It's contract v. local terms.
Main difference, local terms do not contain housing allowance and children's education allowance. For F/O's local terms are the only way to upgrade.
My understanding, new hire DEC's are hired on LOCAL terms only. Kind of like a "B" scale.
Now, on to zekeigo's accusations;
"No more bonuses"- strictly a function of profits, ie. no profit, no bonus.
"No more MVC"- It was inserted post SARS for use by mgt. check with ALPA-s regarding T&C.
"Unstable housing allowances"- Read your contract, it says that the housing allowance is to be adjusted to rflect changes in market. I won't comment on the speed with which it went up/down.
"Unstable and inhuman roster"- Unstable, yes, welcome to the world of the freight dog. Inhuman (the most misused term on PPrune). Gimme a break! you have no clue!
"Position on long haul flights on(I think you mean "in") economy class seated by the toilet"- Ya gotta sit somewhere during positioning!
"; and Ground transport in a Van right after these long flights (sometimes more than 4 hours ride) At least your not by the toilet!
(Ground transport is not considered duty time!!!) Always been that way, you are NOT main fleet!"Minimum rest in almost all stations"- Minimum rest is minimum LEGAL rest. It is not a violation of work rules(what work rules?)
"Inexistance of staff travel (ID75 is a joke)"- You don't like travel on the freighter?
"Being an instructor without being paid for it (young F/O's with as low as 500 hours seated in the right seat of a Jumbo jet)"- Part of being a Captain at SQC.
"The event with the SAS guys, regrettable
- It wasn't regrettable, it was stupid!!!"Cost of living and taxes in Singapore are too high"- They are not too high, the compensation package is too low!
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Arkpilot,
Good points and my apologies for the misprint,
Please, I made no accusations; it is just an eye opener before someone signs the dotted line.
Most of this is not clear stated on the contract and one can be surprised afterwards, that’s the reason for the Bond.
Re Roster, the majority of professional pilots agree that to change a 10 days COP into a 16 days trip while you’re out there disregarding your days off might not be inhuman, but unfair at least.
You don't like travel on the freighter? My family doesn’t.
Fly safe
Z
Good points and my apologies for the misprint,
Please, I made no accusations; it is just an eye opener before someone signs the dotted line.
Most of this is not clear stated on the contract and one can be surprised afterwards, that’s the reason for the Bond.
Re Roster, the majority of professional pilots agree that to change a 10 days COP into a 16 days trip while you’re out there disregarding your days off might not be inhuman, but unfair at least.
You don't like travel on the freighter?
My family doesn’t.Fly safe
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Block hours in SIAC is a total mess, one needs to be lucky (according to roster office) to have decent block hours every month. While some fortunate guys fly 90 hours (candies??), most of the rest fly around 30/40 hours. If it’s all about money, someone is taking the bigger part of the cake.
Re Minimum rest doesn’t mean high block hours, means unproductive roster planning turning one’s life into a rollercoaster. Few years ago block hours was low and positioning hours was high, there is no much change now as they don’t know the meaning of equity.
Travel on the freighter is also something curious. Only the pilots can do it, no family allowed, and the system is linked to SIA mainline staff travel. With the constant roster and flight schedule changes guess what happens with your travel arrangements!!! The money invested to buy your ticket is returned to you after a couple of months without interest.
ALPA-S Cargo is there only for the locals, expats are left in limbo.
"Unstable and inhuman roster"- Unstable, yes, welcome to the world of the freight dog. Inhuman (the most misused term on PPRuNe). Gimme a break! you have no clue!
This is a good example of what kind of treatment you receive in Singapore. Re “welcome to the world of the freight dog”, you have no clue how an organized outfit works, look outside your bubble and you’ll see.
PPRUNE is here to help pilots make informed decisions, I am sorry for those of you trying to hide or masquerade facts.
Z
Re Minimum rest doesn’t mean high block hours, means unproductive roster planning turning one’s life into a rollercoaster. Few years ago block hours was low and positioning hours was high, there is no much change now as they don’t know the meaning of equity.
Travel on the freighter is also something curious. Only the pilots can do it, no family allowed, and the system is linked to SIA mainline staff travel. With the constant roster and flight schedule changes guess what happens with your travel arrangements!!! The money invested to buy your ticket is returned to you after a couple of months without interest.
ALPA-S Cargo is there only for the locals, expats are left in limbo.
"Unstable and inhuman roster"- Unstable, yes, welcome to the world of the freight dog. Inhuman (the most misused term on PPRuNe). Gimme a break! you have no clue!
This is a good example of what kind of treatment you receive in Singapore. Re “welcome to the world of the freight dog”, you have no clue how an organized outfit works, look outside your bubble and you’ll see.
PPRUNE is here to help pilots make informed decisions, I am sorry for those of you trying to hide or masquerade facts.
Z
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ALPA-S Cargo is there only for the locals, expats are left in limbo
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Not entirely correct Slayer.
Where local and expat interests coincide then your statement is true. But ALPA S Cargo has actively worked against the interests of the expatriate worforce on occasions so as to try to protect local interests - if my information is correct.
Where local and expat interests coincide then your statement is true. But ALPA S Cargo has actively worked against the interests of the expatriate worforce on occasions so as to try to protect local interests - if my information is correct.
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To Mega Ark Pilot
siac Is The Best Pay Check !
Roster Is Almost Perfect !! ( You Can Have Good Plans With The Family )
Id 75 Is Amazing !
Cops Are Not So Long And They Never Change !
Alpa-s Really Takes Care Of The Expat Pilots !
The Health Plan For You And Your Family Is The Best !
The House Allowance Is Enough To Rent A Very Good Place In Sin....you Do Not Have To Put An Extra Cent !
I Am Flying An Average Of 35 Hours Month..and Siac Is Hiring New Captains !
wake Up Mate !!!! Or
Keep On Dreaming Your Dreams...........
Roster Is Almost Perfect !! ( You Can Have Good Plans With The Family )
Id 75 Is Amazing !
Cops Are Not So Long And They Never Change !
Alpa-s Really Takes Care Of The Expat Pilots !
The Health Plan For You And Your Family Is The Best !
The House Allowance Is Enough To Rent A Very Good Place In Sin....you Do Not Have To Put An Extra Cent !
I Am Flying An Average Of 35 Hours Month..and Siac Is Hiring New Captains !
wake Up Mate !!!! Or
Keep On Dreaming Your Dreams...........
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Man, I hate it having to listen to expat pilots whinge and complain about SIAC, and when their contract is up, all of a sudden, SIAC is the best company in the world and no, they suddenly do not want to leave.
Time to nut up or shut up.
Time to nut up or shut up.
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There is no perfect job. Those in Korean are lonely in and out of flight deck. Those in middle east, family don't want to be there. Those in China can't leave as and when they want to. Those in India don't enjoy being there. Those that want to be in huge well paying airlines can't get in. Those that loved their previous company can't go back because they have folded.
Please, do leave when time is up if the entire package you guys are getting out of Singapore isn't palatable to you and your family. Save your talk and our ears. Action it. Meanwhile, think like the Italians. Relax a little and enjoy the good parts of what there is till contract is up.
i personally enjoy spending 20 days per month with family whilst knowing cash comes out of cash machine on the dot every month. The best part is this, each time i leave for work, i know my family will be safe when i'm physically away.
Its all about where we place our datum....
Please, do leave when time is up if the entire package you guys are getting out of Singapore isn't palatable to you and your family. Save your talk and our ears. Action it. Meanwhile, think like the Italians. Relax a little and enjoy the good parts of what there is till contract is up.
i personally enjoy spending 20 days per month with family whilst knowing cash comes out of cash machine on the dot every month. The best part is this, each time i leave for work, i know my family will be safe when i'm physically away.
Its all about where we place our datum....
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siac Is The Best Pay Check !
Roster Is Almost Perfect !! ( You Can Have Good Plans With The Family )
Id 75 Is Amazing !
Cops Are Not So Long And They Never Change !
Alpa-s Really Takes Care Of The Expat Pilots !
The Health Plan For You And Your Family Is The Best !
The House Allowance Is Enough To Rent A Very Good Place In Sin....you Do Not Have To Put An Extra Cent !
I Am Flying An Average Of 35 Hours Month..and Siac Is Hiring New Captains !
wake Up Mate !!!! Or
Keep On Dreaming Your Dreams...........
Roster Is Almost Perfect !! ( You Can Have Good Plans With The Family )
Id 75 Is Amazing !
Cops Are Not So Long And They Never Change !
Alpa-s Really Takes Care Of The Expat Pilots !
The Health Plan For You And Your Family Is The Best !
The House Allowance Is Enough To Rent A Very Good Place In Sin....you Do Not Have To Put An Extra Cent !
I Am Flying An Average Of 35 Hours Month..and Siac Is Hiring New Captains !
wake Up Mate !!!! Or
Keep On Dreaming Your Dreams...........
I am dreaming my dream, and living it, thank you!
I find it interesting that you and others, had an opportunity last year to depart, scott free, for greener pastures. Not only did you not leave, you sit and whine about conditions that existed last year.
Sounds like your wish is to complain more than it is to fly!
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Six Direct entry captains to start 1st April. At least one of them is likely to be from the poorly treated bunch that lost their jobs in Singapore last year. Imagine how the company may choose to view that.