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Broken A340 Engine
Someone with intimate knowledge of that flight told me that the engine lost enough oil during the initial climb that the quantity indicator showed amber X's.
Subsequently, the ECAM required a shutdown. But every time the thrust lever was pulled back to idle, the ECAM disappeared. So they continued across the Pacific with the ECAM playing peek-a-boo all the way. It was mentioned at an equipment meeting that it appeared 15 times.
An A340 captain is supposed have a tiny bit of technical knowledge about jet engines.
50,000 rpm + no oil = trouble. D-uh!
A good used CFM56 costs between 5 and 7 million USD. If the crew collected per diems everyday for about 50 years and saved all of it, they would have enough to buy a cheap one.
Subsequently, the ECAM required a shutdown. But every time the thrust lever was pulled back to idle, the ECAM disappeared. So they continued across the Pacific with the ECAM playing peek-a-boo all the way. It was mentioned at an equipment meeting that it appeared 15 times.
An A340 captain is supposed have a tiny bit of technical knowledge about jet engines.
50,000 rpm + no oil = trouble. D-uh!
A good used CFM56 costs between 5 and 7 million USD. If the crew collected per diems everyday for about 50 years and saved all of it, they would have enough to buy a cheap one.
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M 0.78 - One idiot couldn't get his APU started at an outlying station with no ground support equipment but managed to deplane his passengers, unload the cargo compartments, load them up again, then board the outbound passengers without having to shut down both engines. He still works there.
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Lemme see...
1. Shut down No. 1.
2. Deplane passengers.
3. Start No.1.
4. Shut down No. 2.
5. Unload cargo compartments.
6. Load cargo compartments.
7. Start No. 2
8. Shut down No. 1.
9. Board passengers.
10. Start No. 1
11. Pretend nothing happened.
Is it possible to do this in fewer than 11 steps?
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Lemme see...
1. Shut down No. 1.
2. Deplane passengers.
3. Start No.1.
4. Shut down No. 2.
5. Unload cargo compartments.
6. Load cargo compartments.
7. Start No. 2
8. Shut down No. 1.
9. Board passengers.
10. Start No. 1
11. Pretend nothing happened.
Is it possible to do this in fewer than 11 steps?
Last edited by Mysha Da Kat; 18th Oct 2009 at 23:18. Reason: add steps
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Violation!
The current CARs say, with regard to violations:
9.En-route
a. Deviation from clearance or instruction
30 to 90 day suspension
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Rumor A
Within the last few weeks, a very senior admin pilot departing TAC flew up B462 on the way back to MNL when his ATC clearance was for W9. When he reported over MBT, ATC asked him what he was doing there.
Rumor B
A319/A320 copilots describe a certain ex-A330/A340 admin pilot as "confused" whenever they have the misfortune to fly with him.
Rumor C
This same pilot is re-qualifying in the A330 with the son-in-law of the owner on EQC as his training partner
Can anyone confirm any of these rumors?
9.En-route
a. Deviation from clearance or instruction
30 to 90 day suspension
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Rumor A
Within the last few weeks, a very senior admin pilot departing TAC flew up B462 on the way back to MNL when his ATC clearance was for W9. When he reported over MBT, ATC asked him what he was doing there.
Rumor B
A319/A320 copilots describe a certain ex-A330/A340 admin pilot as "confused" whenever they have the misfortune to fly with him.
Rumor C
This same pilot is re-qualifying in the A330 with the son-in-law of the owner on EQC as his training partner
Can anyone confirm any of these rumors?
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Checklists
Answer this:
If both engines were never shut down at the same time, which checklists should have been used and when?
If both engines were never shut down at the same time, which checklists should have been used and when?
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APU Out
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I think he did a great job. No APU A/C AOG how do you get equipment there by boat or C130 only. He should be congratulated.......Well done
Congratulated??!!!! After risking the lives of his passengers and ground crew by deplaning them with an engine running just beside them? He should be quartered for not having enough common sense!
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I think he did a great job. No APU A/C AOG how do you get equipment there by boat or C130 only. He should be congratulated.......Well done
Congratulated??!!!! After risking the lives of his passengers and ground crew by deplaning them with an engine running just beside them? He should be quartered for not having enough common sense!
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Checklists
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Answer this:
If both engines were never shut down at the same time, which checklists should have been used and when?
Uhhmm.....the After Takeoff Checklist?
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Answer this:
If both engines were never shut down at the same time, which checklists should have been used and when?
Uhhmm.....the After Takeoff Checklist?
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confirmation.
Violation!
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The current CARs say, with regard to violations:
9.En-route
a. Deviation from clearance or instruction
30 to 90 day suspension
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Rumor A
Within the last few weeks, a very senior admin pilot departing TAC flew up B462 on the way back to MNL when his ATC clearance was for W9. When he reported over MBT, ATC asked him what he was doing there.
Rumor B
A319/A320 copilots describe a certain ex-A330/A340 admin pilot as "confused" whenever they have the misfortune to fly with him.
Rumor C
This same pilot is re-qualifying in the A330 with the son-in-law of the owner on EQC as his training partner
Can anyone confirm any of these rumors?
Rumor A, B and C confirmed. K-O-Y-A-N-G...
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The current CARs say, with regard to violations:
9.En-route
a. Deviation from clearance or instruction
30 to 90 day suspension
----------------------------------------
Rumor A
Within the last few weeks, a very senior admin pilot departing TAC flew up B462 on the way back to MNL when his ATC clearance was for W9. When he reported over MBT, ATC asked him what he was doing there.
Rumor B
A319/A320 copilots describe a certain ex-A330/A340 admin pilot as "confused" whenever they have the misfortune to fly with him.
Rumor C
This same pilot is re-qualifying in the A330 with the son-in-law of the owner on EQC as his training partner
Can anyone confirm any of these rumors?
Rumor A, B and C confirmed. K-O-Y-A-N-G...
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APU Out
Capt's PAQB trick question:
What do you do if your APU won't start at an outlying station with no ground support equipment and you know you won't be able to restart after you shut down?
Answer:
Shut down.
It happened to me once. Maintenance arrived a few hours later with everything that might have been needed to get it started. But by the time the got it running, the entire crew was beyond duty time limitations.
RON!!!
Party!!!
I wonder if it was a mere coincidence that the entire maintenance rescue crew were native either to the province or to the city itself.
(wink, wink)
What do you do if your APU won't start at an outlying station with no ground support equipment and you know you won't be able to restart after you shut down?
Answer:
Shut down.
It happened to me once. Maintenance arrived a few hours later with everything that might have been needed to get it started. But by the time the got it running, the entire crew was beyond duty time limitations.
RON!!!
Party!!!
I wonder if it was a mere coincidence that the entire maintenance rescue crew were native either to the province or to the city itself.
(wink, wink)
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K-O-Y-A-N-G...
Can anyone confirm any of these rumors?
Rumor A, B and C confirmed. K-O-Y-A-N-G...
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make noise?
If any pilot, not necessarily a vp, commits a serious violation of CAR and it is not reported, is safety compromised?
Rumor A, B and C confirmed. K-O-Y-A-N-G...
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make noise?
If any pilot, not necessarily a vp, commits a serious violation of CAR and it is not reported, is safety compromised?
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who the apu
g'day lads
sorry but can't seem to figger out who ye yappin' about with the apu shutdown,... mind showerin' this ol fart who this fella was?
am referin' to the one management leavin' the engines a runnin'
sorry but can't seem to figger out who ye yappin' about with the apu shutdown,... mind showerin' this ol fart who this fella was?
am referin' to the one management leavin' the engines a runnin'
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Immunity
You know how Pinoy drivers of cars with diplomatic plates drive like they have diplomatic immunity same as their masters? And how drivers of those big black SUVs with single digit plates think they have the same right to abuse their countrymen as their masters? Well, some non-admin pilots with classmates in high admin positions feel they can commit violations with immunity, just like their classmates.
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I'm not lost! I know exactly where I am; even if I don't know what I'm doing here.
The story I'm getting is that the flight plan filed by CFD in MNL routed the flight back to MNL via MBT and AL due to volcanic activity near LP.
However, the ATC clearance issued was for the normal route via LP, NGA, and AL. Revised routing via the flight plan route was not requested.
The FCOM requires the MCDU flight plan and the ATC clearance to agree with each other if NAV mode is to be used.
It is apparent that someone set up the MCDU according to the filed flight plan instead of the issued clearance then used NAV mode.
So the flight deviated from FCOM procedures as well as the ATC clearance.
However, the ATC clearance issued was for the normal route via LP, NGA, and AL. Revised routing via the flight plan route was not requested.
The FCOM requires the MCDU flight plan and the ATC clearance to agree with each other if NAV mode is to be used.
It is apparent that someone set up the MCDU according to the filed flight plan instead of the issued clearance then used NAV mode.
So the flight deviated from FCOM procedures as well as the ATC clearance.
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makocoleta - am referin' to the one management leavin' the engines a runnin'
Not management, classmate lang ni Koyang. The last one to get in. Maybe they'll make him a line check soon.
Not management, classmate lang ni Koyang. The last one to get in. Maybe they'll make him a line check soon.
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fast finger K-O-Y-A-N-G ?
RUMOR A
they were aware of the rerouting but there was a runway change in tacloban and KOYANG activated the secondary flight plan (which was not updated when the ATC clearance was given) without checking the flight plan route or confirming with his crew. excellent CRM i assume?
RUMOR B
but of course you will never get it right when flying with him. an "airbus instructor" who would fault you for flying a managed descent because he claims the FMGS is yet to be perfected by airbus and it is an inefficient way to fly. makes me wonder what FCOM revision he is using now. confusing enough?
they were aware of the rerouting but there was a runway change in tacloban and KOYANG activated the secondary flight plan (which was not updated when the ATC clearance was given) without checking the flight plan route or confirming with his crew. excellent CRM i assume?
RUMOR B
but of course you will never get it right when flying with him. an "airbus instructor" who would fault you for flying a managed descent because he claims the FMGS is yet to be perfected by airbus and it is an inefficient way to fly. makes me wonder what FCOM revision he is using now. confusing enough?
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hazard zone
Sirs,
I'm really suprised and concerned when i read the topics here specially
Sir Mysha Da Kat Post,
Unload and Load the passengers/cargo without GPU/APU...
instead!! using the ENGINE!!!
Everyone is in "serious danger" (Ground Personnel & Passengers)
Due to FOD and high risk engine ingestion..
and during engine operation, there is a "hazard zone" to know if you are in safe zone or danger zone..
This is the one example of engine hazard zone
I'm really suprised and concerned when i read the topics here specially
Sir Mysha Da Kat Post,
Unload and Load the passengers/cargo without GPU/APU...
instead!! using the ENGINE!!!
Everyone is in "serious danger" (Ground Personnel & Passengers)
Due to FOD and high risk engine ingestion..
and during engine operation, there is a "hazard zone" to know if you are in safe zone or danger zone..
This is the one example of engine hazard zone
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APU INOP or NO GPU AVBL
Guys flying the Airbus, what is the best answer for this issue? People have been calling people idiots for doing such procedure, Raising safety issues, being dangerous, etc.
So, what really is the best answer?
- will you just divert ?
- will you Shutdown both engines ?
- will you hold and wait til the airport get a GPU?
- will you do the same thing the Capt in question did ?
Lets try to build some answers here. I think this is one good scenario to think about, it can happen to any pilot flying big jets. So, if it does what are we gonna do?
Jc
So, what really is the best answer?
- will you just divert ?
- will you Shutdown both engines ?
- will you hold and wait til the airport get a GPU?
- will you do the same thing the Capt in question did ?
Lets try to build some answers here. I think this is one good scenario to think about, it can happen to any pilot flying big jets. So, if it does what are we gonna do?
Jc