SIA not renewing 70% Expat Contracts
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Singapore
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Remember, your comfortable position is not only based on merit but on the simple nationality factor. In fact the latest spate of incidents or near accidents on the B777 show the true merit of promotion based on this criteria ...
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well here we go again. If only I could, to share details of recent incidents or near accidents that you so claimed Jet Grande; was indeed commanded by expats. The simple truth is, a good international carrier like SIA would WANT to hire expats, constantly. But ONLY the good ones, and that I mean from the perspective of his work attitude and integrity. In case you have been too engulfed in your own ego all these while, we all know that even the most "ace" pilot, local or expat; HAD and WILL make mistakes. We just have to learn to manage them from day to day.Period.
Obviously, the sad news is, those of us who make perceivably unforgivable mistakes at this juncture of the world gloomy financial climate will most likely, and unfortunately factually in recent cases of expats involved in incidents; have their contract not renewed.
And not to forget those who have been utmost arrogant and disrespectful of your own company or your FOs, your days are numbered too as 4th floor (well probably I should say 2nd floor for now..) have been soliciting feedbacks to facilitate contract renewal process.
Last but not least.. Happy New Year and best wishes to all nonetheless.
Obviously, the sad news is, those of us who make perceivably unforgivable mistakes at this juncture of the world gloomy financial climate will most likely, and unfortunately factually in recent cases of expats involved in incidents; have their contract not renewed.
And not to forget those who have been utmost arrogant and disrespectful of your own company or your FOs, your days are numbered too as 4th floor (well probably I should say 2nd floor for now..) have been soliciting feedbacks to facilitate contract renewal process.
Last but not least.. Happy New Year and best wishes to all nonetheless.
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: In the torpedo tube above!
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Arrogance and Disrespect for ones colleagues are two "virtues" that IMHO should automatically attract the strictest of penalties.
Not only does the perpetrator immidiately lose the 100% performance from the other half of the cockpit,but in one swift stroke he manages to lose 100% of the respect too that he might have managed to aquire! THIS one can ILL afford in today's 100% Pro CRM cockpits.And we all agree here don't we,that we can all do with ALL the help that we get these days.And one never knows which corner that help might come from.So why lose 50% of the manpower/brainpower in the cockpit in one swift act of foolishness.
Don't you think.....
Remember,arrogance is a virtue......as long as nobody sees it!!
And always keep in mind,the mighty red oak too was once a seed like him.....
Cheers.Be humble be kind.
Not only does the perpetrator immidiately lose the 100% performance from the other half of the cockpit,but in one swift stroke he manages to lose 100% of the respect too that he might have managed to aquire! THIS one can ILL afford in today's 100% Pro CRM cockpits.And we all agree here don't we,that we can all do with ALL the help that we get these days.And one never knows which corner that help might come from.So why lose 50% of the manpower/brainpower in the cockpit in one swift act of foolishness.
Don't you think.....
Remember,arrogance is a virtue......as long as nobody sees it!!
And always keep in mind,the mighty red oak too was once a seed like him.....
Cheers.Be humble be kind.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Asia
Age: 47
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As I would like to apply with SIA, I read through all the threads here, picking up this one.
Well, how did things develop for expat conctract or expat local term pilots? Or how did things develop at all up to now within SIA? Any news?
On their homepage they give information about a bunch of new A330 arriving this year. I thought about they might be looking for any ready entry pilots and I would like to try my best.
They do not have any open career site besides they are offering an online application for cadets only. Guess they won't be happy about any oldfashioned paper application... Who is doing the recruitment? What would be in any case the condition with local terms over there?
Thanks for any information and take care!
Well, how did things develop for expat conctract or expat local term pilots? Or how did things develop at all up to now within SIA? Any news?
On their homepage they give information about a bunch of new A330 arriving this year. I thought about they might be looking for any ready entry pilots and I would like to try my best.
They do not have any open career site besides they are offering an online application for cadets only. Guess they won't be happy about any oldfashioned paper application... Who is doing the recruitment? What would be in any case the condition with local terms over there?
Thanks for any information and take care!
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 627
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Local terms
Maybe SQ gets you local terms but other Airlines avoid that on purpose. Expats can only be hired thru a Agency on a 2 to 5 year term. Then it is soley to them to renew-etxend as they like rather then need it.
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
flyingfrogman
Sorry to share the bad news but seems like the company has decided to convert excess 777 drivers to the 330. Presently stage 1 is in progress by seeking of volunteers. Chances of DEC are even more remote as more Expats are released gradually in the coming months.
The situation is actually not all that bad by most international yardstick for airlines' load factor performance. But for SIA, the bean counters love to break glass for emergency the instance they find that the chart started to plot downwards. Well of course this conservative attitude will ensure that the company does ride out the present financial storm nicely, I would presume.
If I may suggest, for the time being; perhaps Qatari and Korean are viable alternatives to consider if you're pressed to move. All the best in any case, whichever your move that might be.
Sorry to share the bad news but seems like the company has decided to convert excess 777 drivers to the 330. Presently stage 1 is in progress by seeking of volunteers. Chances of DEC are even more remote as more Expats are released gradually in the coming months.
The situation is actually not all that bad by most international yardstick for airlines' load factor performance. But for SIA, the bean counters love to break glass for emergency the instance they find that the chart started to plot downwards. Well of course this conservative attitude will ensure that the company does ride out the present financial storm nicely, I would presume.
If I may suggest, for the time being; perhaps Qatari and Korean are viable alternatives to consider if you're pressed to move. All the best in any case, whichever your move that might be.
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmm, 15 years on, and the sh1t still sticks to the expats in SQ. Been there, done that, and took a long time to wash off.
Of course, it still took 2 singaporeans to manage to have a VERY serious GPWS incident at DAC recently, with a MSA of only 2000', how could they?!. Some things will NEVER change.
Thinking about it, I will post the gory details about this incident in a separate post. When I can be bothered.
My ears are still close to the ground.
Of course, it still took 2 singaporeans to manage to have a VERY serious GPWS incident at DAC recently, with a MSA of only 2000', how could they?!. Some things will NEVER change.
Thinking about it, I will post the gory details about this incident in a separate post. When I can be bothered.
My ears are still close to the ground.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Far East
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't know anything about the DAC incident but would love to hear about it SIA sniffer. I was there at 10pm local time last night and can see how easily there could be a tragedy there anytime soon. Controllers who mumble, get short tempered when they are missunderstood and who persistently clip their transmissions are a part of the problem. Their VHF range does not cover their boundaries. Then there was the STAR - they call it a VOR, ILS but the ILS part cant be guaranteed because the DAC beacon and associated DME is dicky. The weather was foggy with RVR 700 mtrs, they have NO RADAR so you need to call them every minute or so to tell them what progress you are making with the decent to 2000 ft. Tie that in with a thick accent, numerous stepped on transmissions, a mouth full of betal nut and you have a nice recipe for trouble. It is a most uncomfortable arrival into a black hole onto a very rough runway with hardly visible markings and signage.
Some may say that is what we are paid for but it doesnt need to be like that so I am not surprised to hear there has been a recent incident with more to come undoubtably.
Some may say that is what we are paid for but it doesnt need to be like that so I am not surprised to hear there has been a recent incident with more to come undoubtably.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Far East
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Come on Sniffer- you are better than that- you sound like a very sore headed pain in the butt, angry old man. There is no betal nut in Singapore and Changi ATC is a 1000% better than DAC. Try to be fair and let us know what happened in DAC with an aire of dignity
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: On a wing and a prayer
Age: 38
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry if my post is a bit outta track, But I think SIA is a company that needs to be taught what commitment and maturity is.....
One fine morning you see SIA posting adverts for cadet pilot recruitment for Indian nationals in leading newspapers in the country i.e. India. They then have a handful of starry eyed wannabes seeing SIA dreams.
And all this is happening even as SIA is planning to ditch the expats...
Then after 2 months from the date of the adverts and a couple of assessments, they decide to scrap cadet pilot recruitments from India at all...
whack on the standing d!#k kinda thing.....
They did this in 2005 and they were at it again in 2008 end.....
Height of recklessness by SIA............
All this nonsense will only lead to bad PR for the company...
Peace to all...
One fine morning you see SIA posting adverts for cadet pilot recruitment for Indian nationals in leading newspapers in the country i.e. India. They then have a handful of starry eyed wannabes seeing SIA dreams.
And all this is happening even as SIA is planning to ditch the expats...
Then after 2 months from the date of the adverts and a couple of assessments, they decide to scrap cadet pilot recruitments from India at all...
whack on the standing d!#k kinda thing.....
They did this in 2005 and they were at it again in 2008 end.....
Height of recklessness by SIA............
All this nonsense will only lead to bad PR for the company...
Peace to all...
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: EastCoast
Age: 74
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"Sorry if my post is a bit outta track, But I think SIA is a company that needs to be taught what commitment and maturity is....."
...then, L E A V E, go away and don't ever come back!
"They did this in 2005 and they were at it again in 2008 end.....
Height of recklessness by SIA............
All this nonsense will only lead to bad PR for the company..."
...Then, don't come!
It's all very simple. If you're not happy with an "immature" company and wants to teach it a lesson in commitment, I dare all you people to leave. If you think it is "immature" and owes ALL it's safety to the "clever" expats, then just leave.
...then, L E A V E, go away and don't ever come back!
"They did this in 2005 and they were at it again in 2008 end.....
Height of recklessness by SIA............
All this nonsense will only lead to bad PR for the company..."
...Then, don't come!
It's all very simple. If you're not happy with an "immature" company and wants to teach it a lesson in commitment, I dare all you people to leave. If you think it is "immature" and owes ALL it's safety to the "clever" expats, then just leave.
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Asia
Age: 47
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yes, it is not nice, for sure.
And I can understand that expat pilots who were doing a good job and built up a kind of life there are quite upset about this. As well as cadets who were lucky to join and then sent home again.
To be honest: This happens in a lot of well-reputated companies all around the world when times become more difficult.
Actually no-one can tell a company how to manage their business. You can just take it or leave it, most of the time as expat pilot or cadet pilot you have no or a very little choice.
I am not happy with it as well.
And I can understand that expat pilots who were doing a good job and built up a kind of life there are quite upset about this. As well as cadets who were lucky to join and then sent home again.
To be honest: This happens in a lot of well-reputated companies all around the world when times become more difficult.
Actually no-one can tell a company how to manage their business. You can just take it or leave it, most of the time as expat pilot or cadet pilot you have no or a very little choice.
I am not happy with it as well.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: somewhere in Asia
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
every airline (except maybe one over in the philippines) is in the business of earning money. we as cockpit crew are second in line - after the cabin - for an early termination of contract or a none renewal of our contracts.
times are hard and will get harder especially for us expats. soon will have the airports again plastered with cockpit crews who are taking on any job just earn a few bucks. reality is catching up with us.
times are hard and will get harder especially for us expats. soon will have the airports again plastered with cockpit crews who are taking on any job just earn a few bucks. reality is catching up with us.
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, America !
Age: 68
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's the free market and they ARE businessmen.
Great when it is working for you , and now? Not so much. A live by the sword , die by the sword thing.
I wish you all the best and good luck. There will be better times ahead.
Great when it is working for you , and now? Not so much. A live by the sword , die by the sword thing.
I wish you all the best and good luck. There will be better times ahead.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hamilton
Age: 50
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Boys + Girls,
I think "VT-ASM" got the msg.
This is typical 'Idol' mannerism.
If one gets a 'yellow-paper', all sing and praises.
If no 'yellow-paper', all curse and 'middle-finger' pointing.
Let him be 'lah'.
I'd like to wish all those who are already in the 'meat-grinder' ,
best of luck.
I think "VT-ASM" got the msg.
This is typical 'Idol' mannerism.
If one gets a 'yellow-paper', all sing and praises.
If no 'yellow-paper', all curse and 'middle-finger' pointing.
Let him be 'lah'.
I'd like to wish all those who are already in the 'meat-grinder' ,
best of luck.
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The lion city
Posts: 368
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
VT ASM...
Speaking of inmature!
Just tell us how you would run a better airline?
tell us how competent are you in running a business(any)?
tell us which airlines out there that's not screwing its staffs?
good luck to all the expats that are affected by this downturn.
keep your spirit up...
Speaking of inmature!
Just tell us how you would run a better airline?
tell us how competent are you in running a business(any)?
tell us which airlines out there that's not screwing its staffs?
good luck to all the expats that are affected by this downturn.
keep your spirit up...