SIA not renewing 70% Expat Contracts
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Started renewing contracts about 2 weeks ago on a selective basis.
Do not see SIA advertising for commanders ever again though so if you have any thoughts of joining I suggest you look elsewhere
Do not see SIA advertising for commanders ever again though so if you have any thoughts of joining I suggest you look elsewhere
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15 expat pilots are/were due for renewal of contract from 5th Nov 09 to 31 March 2010. 11 of them were offered renewals and 9 have indicated they wish to renew. The company has promised to give all expats 6 months warning of contract renewal either way from now on. If there is a requirement in the future to recruit expats, those who got the bullet and wish to return will be afforded first chance to come back.
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Do not see SIA advertising for commanders ever again ...
Those with a long memory will recall several pronouncements like this (mostly from the company) in the past that later proved quite untrue.
If there is a requirement in the future to recruit expats, those who got the bullet and wish to return will be afforded first chance to come back.
Quite unlikely.
The look of SQ now might be different, the management thinking however, remains mostly the same.
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About 10 days ago the director of ops met with about one third of the expats left in SIA.
That is where I got the info I posted. I quite agree with you that SIA will once again recruit expats sometime in the distant future. The director stated as much at this meeting. He also said he was aware of the expats who would be prepared to return to SIA having been "let go" during the recession. These are pilots whose contracts would have been renewed had it not been for the recession. In many cases they are pilots who have signed multiple contracts in the passed with SIA and are therefor known quantities. Since the director said that they would be afforded the first chance to return before any outside recruitment could take place I take him at his word.
It does not take a change in SIA management style for them to recognise a win/win opportunity that saves time and money. Taking back known pilots who need no interview, sim ride or medical and can fly the line within days of returning is a no brainer.
Meantime you keep on laughing old man, it is doing you good
About 10 days ago the director of ops met with about one third of the expats left in SIA.
That is where I got the info I posted. I quite agree with you that SIA will once again recruit expats sometime in the distant future. The director stated as much at this meeting. He also said he was aware of the expats who would be prepared to return to SIA having been "let go" during the recession. These are pilots whose contracts would have been renewed had it not been for the recession. In many cases they are pilots who have signed multiple contracts in the passed with SIA and are therefor known quantities. Since the director said that they would be afforded the first chance to return before any outside recruitment could take place I take him at his word.
It does not take a change in SIA management style for them to recognise a win/win opportunity that saves time and money. Taking back known pilots who need no interview, sim ride or medical and can fly the line within days of returning is a no brainer.
Meantime you keep on laughing old man, it is doing you good
Taking back known pilots who need no interview, sim ride or medical and can fly the line within days of returning is a no brainer.
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I think it is quite possible that SIA will take the devil they know before the devil the don't know. What would concern me is would they take me back on my previous salary, Ts & Cs and original DOJ, (for staff travel)?
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Do you really think this is how the system works? I've heard of the "old boy network", but I think you may find this is stretching it a bit...(except maybe for a chosen few? and I wonder who those might be...)
In SQ...a leopard does not change its spots.
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My wife would agree; leopards don't change their spots, they just hide in the shade. But perhaps a fairer comment regarding expat positions in SIA would be to first acknowledge the massive commitment to bringing Second Officers on-stream.
Given the process began a few years ago, these lads, for there are no lassies, will be on stage to upgrade in less than a decade. That's a lot of localization. Good or bad, it's hard to see a long-term future for expats in SIA.
Sorry, but the world has changed.
Given the process began a few years ago, these lads, for there are no lassies, will be on stage to upgrade in less than a decade. That's a lot of localization. Good or bad, it's hard to see a long-term future for expats in SIA.
Sorry, but the world has changed.
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Parabellum,
According to my mates, don't think you need to worry about that as there's hardly any chance that you may be called back, even after a day after the lapse of your contract. Apparently, if Flight Ops does so, all pay cut and no pay leave implementation with the union is considered void and no longer in effect.
According to my mates, don't think you need to worry about that as there's hardly any chance that you may be called back, even after a day after the lapse of your contract. Apparently, if Flight Ops does so, all pay cut and no pay leave implementation with the union is considered void and no longer in effect.
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Thanks 777v330, my question was academic where I am concerned, I was lucky enough to have ten great years on the 744 and retire on a high eight years ago but I simply cannot imagine SIA reinstating departed pilots at their old scales etc. they couldn't miss such an opportunity to lower yet further the terms and conditions, it is in their blood.
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I believe 70 plus local guys a year are getting commands and there are not that many retirees per year,you do not have to be good at math to figure out whether expat recruitment wlll ever occur again.
I did a flt recently with a cadet on the js he had finished his ground course in Jan and still no sim.They keep churning out cadets.
Once again figure out the numbers.
Couple that with the the 3 new (relatively) mid east carriers running over SIA routes over the past 3 years and the situation is very very different to what it was 9 or 10 years ago.
You do not need a crystal ball to see whether SIA will need expat pilots again,I would be comfortable laying off bets that they never will again.
Once again I would love to be proven wrong
I did a flt recently with a cadet on the js he had finished his ground course in Jan and still no sim.They keep churning out cadets.
Once again figure out the numbers.
Couple that with the the 3 new (relatively) mid east carriers running over SIA routes over the past 3 years and the situation is very very different to what it was 9 or 10 years ago.
You do not need a crystal ball to see whether SIA will need expat pilots again,I would be comfortable laying off bets that they never will again.
Once again I would love to be proven wrong
