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Well, I have nothing against new wannabes, but as new wannabes, Avesh needs to reflect on his attitude.
calling all Singaporeans A$$ H0les, or saying Singaporeans are feeling the threat of Indian cadets? Is it becoming of a pilot to be? much that I wish all of u good luck, I certainly do not hope to see Avesh in any of the flight deck in any airline! In no way he will be a threat to Singaporean cadets to be, and lets face it, if there are enough Singaporeans and Malaysians willing to fly as a career, there wont be a Indian cadet program at all. So he should get the sequence right, he (or for that matter any indian wannabes) is of no threat to the locals, but he seems to talk as if he is God's gift to aviation (when he cant even fly a piston engine cessna). Oh yes, may I also add, Singaporean and Malaysian cadets when they checked out as FO, it is highly likely that they remain with the airline even after the bond, as for Indians, I suspect more will not stay beyond the bond and seek greener pastures, now u tell me, if u are the management, what is your preference?
My friend, when the door is closed, another door is opened, if SIA stopped this time round, try again next time round, or maybe another airline. No point whining and blaming the company for not granting a job!
calling all Singaporeans A$$ H0les, or saying Singaporeans are feeling the threat of Indian cadets? Is it becoming of a pilot to be? much that I wish all of u good luck, I certainly do not hope to see Avesh in any of the flight deck in any airline! In no way he will be a threat to Singaporean cadets to be, and lets face it, if there are enough Singaporeans and Malaysians willing to fly as a career, there wont be a Indian cadet program at all. So he should get the sequence right, he (or for that matter any indian wannabes) is of no threat to the locals, but he seems to talk as if he is God's gift to aviation (when he cant even fly a piston engine cessna). Oh yes, may I also add, Singaporean and Malaysian cadets when they checked out as FO, it is highly likely that they remain with the airline even after the bond, as for Indians, I suspect more will not stay beyond the bond and seek greener pastures, now u tell me, if u are the management, what is your preference?
My friend, when the door is closed, another door is opened, if SIA stopped this time round, try again next time round, or maybe another airline. No point whining and blaming the company for not granting a job!
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SQ111, let's just leave these guys alone ok? They have already been disappointed enough and I am sure they are letting their emotions get the hold of them when they are posting. I hope they don't mean it when they said things like all Singaporeans are @$$holes and the lot.
Avesh, you're still 22 (that is if your profile is accurate). You have LOTS of time left for you to achieve your dream of flying. If not SIA, then other airlines. Like you said, SIA is not the only airline in the world. SIA went over to India to recruit pilots and not to waste your time, and theirs. I'm sure they also spent a whole lot of money doing that, money that could have been spent on expensive Jet-A1. Things just didn't work out with the economy so they are not taking anyone in now. If the economy was booming, trust me, you would have gotten your interview. Anyway back then in 2005, they did bring in some pilots. They are doing well in SIACargo.
Last, but not least, happy new year guys.
Avesh, you're still 22 (that is if your profile is accurate). You have LOTS of time left for you to achieve your dream of flying. If not SIA, then other airlines. Like you said, SIA is not the only airline in the world. SIA went over to India to recruit pilots and not to waste your time, and theirs. I'm sure they also spent a whole lot of money doing that, money that could have been spent on expensive Jet-A1. Things just didn't work out with the economy so they are not taking anyone in now. If the economy was booming, trust me, you would have gotten your interview. Anyway back then in 2005, they did bring in some pilots. They are doing well in SIACargo.
Last, but not least, happy new year guys.
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Well.. when one door closes another one opens. You hit the nail on the head with that one. Opportunities come by, but not all work out. People have to understand that.
Its quite unfair to say where the candidates will go after the bond ends. One might stay or one might even look for greener pastures. But as an employer I will look for the one who fits the job requirements and has some good work ethics.
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Its quite unfair to say where the candidates will go after the bond ends. One might stay or one might even look for greener pastures. But as an employer I will look for the one who fits the job requirements and has some good work ethics.
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Hi Sunny
Well, as I said, I dont speak for the company and HR. But the way I have seen it, every company will have a group of core staff/crew. In Asian Airlines, this group of core crew will likely be locals, and then they will be a group of non-core crew, which are on short term contracts (say 5 years) and usually are expats (more expensive). In bad times, the expensive crew will usually be high on the list of those being laid off. While potential Indian cadets will not be on expat terms, HR managers will likely to factor the fact that you have higher mobility in future in planning their future crew needs. Its not a matter of whether its fair or not to say whether u will move after the bond, but in aviation, where training a pilot takes 2-3 years, such things have to be considered.
Well, as I said, I dont speak for the company and HR. But the way I have seen it, every company will have a group of core staff/crew. In Asian Airlines, this group of core crew will likely be locals, and then they will be a group of non-core crew, which are on short term contracts (say 5 years) and usually are expats (more expensive). In bad times, the expensive crew will usually be high on the list of those being laid off. While potential Indian cadets will not be on expat terms, HR managers will likely to factor the fact that you have higher mobility in future in planning their future crew needs. Its not a matter of whether its fair or not to say whether u will move after the bond, but in aviation, where training a pilot takes 2-3 years, such things have to be considered.
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Guys, I have received the email from SIA regarding the cancellation.Its the same email which has been received by Aviateur85.
so guys lets hope for the best
as behind every step their is always some good steps hiding
regarding the indigo cadet pilot
they have the option but you have to arrange your own fund
also SPICEJET have the same provision
so guys lets hope for the best
as behind every step their is always some good steps hiding
regarding the indigo cadet pilot
they have the option but you have to arrange your own fund
also SPICEJET have the same provision
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Haapy New year to all!!
hi one and all....
@ Avesh
Buddy you need to watch you tongue..er ..fingers in a public forum.Its no place to vent out personal remarks. SIA does not suck in terms of global market holdings in the aviation world. We should actually be grateful for them for atleast giving us a hope to fly. I don't see a single Indian aviation company extending such a generous program to us Nationals itself let alone expats... Cut some slack!! I am sure at the present scenario you are at best at your work.Criticism has its ways but venting out anger is not advisable at such a premature stage. Believe me i m equally devastated at what happened! But i think my fellow Indians r more uncomfortable at personal spat at this level of civilization. Cheer up buddy!!!
@SQ111
You seem to be more of an immature bully than a smart pilot with an SIA badge. Trust me, I expected you to be more of a composed person having respected you for the fact that you have undergone such a disciplined and most-sought-cadet pilot program. As a sane being, i respect the views of all the contributors of PPRuNe, so its kinda unethical and unprofessional of you and avesh turning this into a personal BATTLEGROUND. I agree with you hell-bent-upon rule that SIA does not owe us a job. But apart form the disappointment of the prospective candidates,I believe the SIA's recruitment policy image raises doubt. Its one of the biggest carrier in the world and it published an advertisement on the biggest and most read media newspapers about a job announcement. Dont you feel that THAT itself is a kind of commitment the AIRLINE itself is offering? Its like SIA offering you a certain Salary Slab and at the end of the month you are waiting for you paycheck!!! If the airline does not give you the said amount will you just say to yourself " the airline didn't PROMISE me but only published the Salary Slab" or "****! where the hell is my money???""
You see? Tense situations are not just an opportunity to take advantage of. Trust me, If I were on the left-hand seat, I would not be shouting out WHO i would like sitting next to me, but rather doing my JOB with perfection, because I OWE the airline my services than my EGO clouding the cockpit. Sq111 , i respect you as a pilot and appreciate you advices, but the kiddish behavior???Sorry. So please exchange personal brawls over PM and the best tips at the forum.
Cheers to all the contributor out there.
@ Avesh
Buddy you need to watch you tongue..er ..fingers in a public forum.Its no place to vent out personal remarks. SIA does not suck in terms of global market holdings in the aviation world. We should actually be grateful for them for atleast giving us a hope to fly. I don't see a single Indian aviation company extending such a generous program to us Nationals itself let alone expats... Cut some slack!! I am sure at the present scenario you are at best at your work.Criticism has its ways but venting out anger is not advisable at such a premature stage. Believe me i m equally devastated at what happened! But i think my fellow Indians r more uncomfortable at personal spat at this level of civilization. Cheer up buddy!!!
@SQ111
You seem to be more of an immature bully than a smart pilot with an SIA badge. Trust me, I expected you to be more of a composed person having respected you for the fact that you have undergone such a disciplined and most-sought-cadet pilot program. As a sane being, i respect the views of all the contributors of PPRuNe, so its kinda unethical and unprofessional of you and avesh turning this into a personal BATTLEGROUND. I agree with you hell-bent-upon rule that SIA does not owe us a job. But apart form the disappointment of the prospective candidates,I believe the SIA's recruitment policy image raises doubt. Its one of the biggest carrier in the world and it published an advertisement on the biggest and most read media newspapers about a job announcement. Dont you feel that THAT itself is a kind of commitment the AIRLINE itself is offering? Its like SIA offering you a certain Salary Slab and at the end of the month you are waiting for you paycheck!!! If the airline does not give you the said amount will you just say to yourself " the airline didn't PROMISE me but only published the Salary Slab" or "****! where the hell is my money???""
You see? Tense situations are not just an opportunity to take advantage of. Trust me, If I were on the left-hand seat, I would not be shouting out WHO i would like sitting next to me, but rather doing my JOB with perfection, because I OWE the airline my services than my EGO clouding the cockpit. Sq111 , i respect you as a pilot and appreciate you advices, but the kiddish behavior???Sorry. So please exchange personal brawls over PM and the best tips at the forum.
Cheers to all the contributor out there.
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Contract Law
Advertisement are considered invitation to treat under English common law, it is not an offer. As for salary, it is a contractual obligation and scale of which is agreed upon between the company and union. Its a contactual obligation, unlike the job ads, there is not contractual obligation. So if SIA didnt pay its crew its promised salary, they are in breach of contractual obligations, but if SIA didnt go ahead with recruitment, they have every right to do so!
Fact no. 2
The global recession intensified in November and early December, but so did the policy response by governments around the world. SIA did what they need to do, to cut costs, cut back on staffing needs. I have already said upteen times, advertising in national papers is for impact, but at the end of the day, its beyond SIA that they have to cut back on cadets, so who is unprofessional and immature to criticise a company for not continuing with the recruitment? Get real my friends, jobs are gonna be lost everywhere, I suggest try to keep your job and hope things turn around. meanwhile, if you can jolly afford it, go take your own CPL and ATPL.
Btw, do I need to waste my time in a cadet wannabe thread to be a bully? Thrust me my friends, such attitude displayed by many of the cadets will put the interviewers off, you never know whether do they come to this forum. If u had seen past threads, I have been here helping many wannabes and many are already in the right seat now, not forgetting countless PMs that I responded to. And yes, I respond to Indian wannabes as well.
Advertisement are considered invitation to treat under English common law, it is not an offer. As for salary, it is a contractual obligation and scale of which is agreed upon between the company and union. Its a contactual obligation, unlike the job ads, there is not contractual obligation. So if SIA didnt pay its crew its promised salary, they are in breach of contractual obligations, but if SIA didnt go ahead with recruitment, they have every right to do so!
Fact no. 2
The global recession intensified in November and early December, but so did the policy response by governments around the world. SIA did what they need to do, to cut costs, cut back on staffing needs. I have already said upteen times, advertising in national papers is for impact, but at the end of the day, its beyond SIA that they have to cut back on cadets, so who is unprofessional and immature to criticise a company for not continuing with the recruitment? Get real my friends, jobs are gonna be lost everywhere, I suggest try to keep your job and hope things turn around. meanwhile, if you can jolly afford it, go take your own CPL and ATPL.
Btw, do I need to waste my time in a cadet wannabe thread to be a bully? Thrust me my friends, such attitude displayed by many of the cadets will put the interviewers off, you never know whether do they come to this forum. If u had seen past threads, I have been here helping many wannabes and many are already in the right seat now, not forgetting countless PMs that I responded to. And yes, I respond to Indian wannabes as well.
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Thank you sq111
Exactly what i wanted. A good professional reply. My respects to you remain. And yes, In today's world one needs to works his/her a** off to get that paycheck...unless, your grandpa was gold mine owner..LOL!! So, i too need to get on with it. No hard feelings taken, and yes, an experience indeed.
Cannot afford a CPL, but a PPL yes,...but i rather finish the unfinished and then look up to splurging my extravagant desires. Keep flying SQ111, cheers to u and see you around.
Cannot afford a CPL, but a PPL yes,...but i rather finish the unfinished and then look up to splurging my extravagant desires. Keep flying SQ111, cheers to u and see you around.
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@SQ111
after reading all your posts it rather seems opposite..
I am not a wannabe.. but I surely remember that I 'was' a some time back.. I agree tht the attitude shown by Avesh was not right.. but yours was not perfect either..I wanted to write more on this but grvailshery has already said most of it beautifully.
right now you are just an F/O considering your posts with a couple of years of experience.. but you speak as if you are one of the pro selectors of the company.. Mr. please cut back a bit on your ego ..!!
I appreciate your initiative to help wannabes out here and you also seem a bit concerned too.. but bringing in the Singapore Vs Indian Issue was absolutely immature.. wht do you expect.. tht you would post something offensive about the Indians in the "Indian" forum and would receive appreciation in return..???
maybe they are wannabes and know nothing right now .. but believe it you are only a few years ahead.. there is a lot to come..
choosing your mates on the right side.. huhh.. tht was a nice one though.. believe me.. after reading tht comment of yours I would not be very happy sitting with you in the cockpit either.. but I knw you are not the replica of your posts here.. u are a much better person who cares about the wannabes and his comany so much tht he is taking time out to fall into all such discussions.. so in the end I would not mind sharing the cockpit with you... infact I would not mind sharing it with anyone.. like you I'm also a loyal employee and believe that anyone who has been selected to accompany me in the cockpit is capable of being there !!!
although your last post was much better than your previous ones..
Its a request not just to you rather to everyone following PPRune to please be a bit professional while writing comments here.. this is not a general Social Networking Website.. its meant to discuss issues on Aviation.. not to shout on each other like kids..Thnx
Cheers
Well, as I said, I dont speak for the company and HR
I am not a wannabe.. but I surely remember that I 'was' a some time back.. I agree tht the attitude shown by Avesh was not right.. but yours was not perfect either..I wanted to write more on this but grvailshery has already said most of it beautifully.
right now you are just an F/O considering your posts with a couple of years of experience.. but you speak as if you are one of the pro selectors of the company.. Mr. please cut back a bit on your ego ..!!
I appreciate your initiative to help wannabes out here and you also seem a bit concerned too.. but bringing in the Singapore Vs Indian Issue was absolutely immature.. wht do you expect.. tht you would post something offensive about the Indians in the "Indian" forum and would receive appreciation in return..???
maybe they are wannabes and know nothing right now .. but believe it you are only a few years ahead.. there is a lot to come..
choosing your mates on the right side.. huhh.. tht was a nice one though.. believe me.. after reading tht comment of yours I would not be very happy sitting with you in the cockpit either.. but I knw you are not the replica of your posts here.. u are a much better person who cares about the wannabes and his comany so much tht he is taking time out to fall into all such discussions.. so in the end I would not mind sharing the cockpit with you... infact I would not mind sharing it with anyone.. like you I'm also a loyal employee and believe that anyone who has been selected to accompany me in the cockpit is capable of being there !!!
although your last post was much better than your previous ones..
Its a request not just to you rather to everyone following PPRune to please be a bit professional while writing comments here.. this is not a general Social Networking Website.. its meant to discuss issues on Aviation.. not to shout on each other like kids..ThnxCheers
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There is no ego here. I am just contributing my point of views. If it is too offensive, its cos of Avesh who thinks SIA owes him something.
I dont choose who to fly with me, its the system that we rely on whoever is in the cockpit to ensure safe flight, everytime. Of course at the end of the flight, I can choose whether to go out with my crew.
And please look at the post carefully, its Avesh who labelled Singaporeans immature and also other comments. In no way did i bring about Singaporeans issue, and whenever I brought up, its factual information.
I dont choose who to fly with me, its the system that we rely on whoever is in the cockpit to ensure safe flight, everytime. Of course at the end of the flight, I can choose whether to go out with my crew.
And please look at the post carefully, its Avesh who labelled Singaporeans immature and also other comments. In no way did i bring about Singaporeans issue, and whenever I brought up, its factual information.
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hey guys,
SIA have stoped the prosses of hiring as a cadet pilot as we are discussing here in this forum,our workbench are also showing the same thing that "you have not applied for any job",even we got the mail from them,
BUT guys have you gone throught the other forum like "all batch merged'SIA"
through that column you can see that SIA is hiring the people in other countries interviews are going on and for some they have even taken the medicals and second round.do anyone have any idea regarding that.
anyway i have just crossed my fingure for the best to come,and hope the same for all
BEST OF LUCK GUYS
Cheers
SIA have stoped the prosses of hiring as a cadet pilot as we are discussing here in this forum,our workbench are also showing the same thing that "you have not applied for any job",even we got the mail from them,
BUT guys have you gone throught the other forum like "all batch merged'SIA"
through that column you can see that SIA is hiring the people in other countries interviews are going on and for some they have even taken the medicals and second round.do anyone have any idea regarding that.
anyway i have just crossed my fingure for the best to come,and hope the same for all
BEST OF LUCK GUYS
Cheers