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I guess the salary you are quoting after tax includes all allowances like rental and with only 600 hours pa I guess it must include some hefty school fees as I do not see how that figure arises otherwise? Clearly with those hours you are SIACargo. If you have like I did the extra cost of maintaining a home back in your home country then those figures do not look that great.The London basings were fine as no currency fluctuations as paid in $Stg, and no standby duties and no additional housing costs and a roster months in advance.
What really matters is how much did you save out of that in your home country currency?
It also includes a large bonus of at least 6 months which cannot be guaranteed each year.
Perhaps you are also benefitting from what I hear is a newly introduced 10% tax whilst in my day when Singapore based I was paying from memory some S$30,000/ S$40,000 tax each year. I guess that makes up for the large increases in rental costs when your agreement runs out.
I guess the salary you are quoting after tax includes all allowances like rental and with only 600 hours pa I guess it must include some hefty school fees as I do not see how that figure arises otherwise? Clearly with those hours you are SIACargo. If you have like I did the extra cost of maintaining a home back in your home country then those figures do not look that great.The London basings were fine as no currency fluctuations as paid in $Stg, and no standby duties and no additional housing costs and a roster months in advance.
What really matters is how much did you save out of that in your home country currency?
It also includes a large bonus of at least 6 months which cannot be guaranteed each year.
Perhaps you are also benefitting from what I hear is a newly introduced 10% tax whilst in my day when Singapore based I was paying from memory some S$30,000/ S$40,000 tax each year. I guess that makes up for the large increases in rental costs when your agreement runs out.
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Training Accomadation
Thanks for all info on Training accomadation guess if I ever get in I better bring a tent!!!
Anyhow despite depressing info I appreciate the hard facts so thanks again
Goma
Anyhow despite depressing info I appreciate the hard facts so thanks again
Goma
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Of course it includes rental allowances. They are part of my salary because today they are not dependent on paying rent or not.
School allowance however is NOT included.
Yes, all profit sharing is included. I'm not saying that 3030000 is something that I'll always get. I just wanted to show that at the present SIA and SIA Cargo is good for captains.
You consider the pay insufficient because you keep a house empty in your home country? (Why didn't you rent it out?)
What really matters is how much did you save out of that in your home country currency?
To all of you with the same situation as MC, maybe you should consider to stay at home instead. Then all problems with currency fluctuations, two houses etc would not be an issue.
Singapore is a great place to live. If you still don't want to commit to live here for a few years then I suggest a commuting contract with Korean instead.
I said I'm glad to be HERE. Now.
Of course it includes rental allowances. They are part of my salary because today they are not dependent on paying rent or not.
School allowance however is NOT included.
Yes, all profit sharing is included. I'm not saying that 3030000 is something that I'll always get. I just wanted to show that at the present SIA and SIA Cargo is good for captains.
You consider the pay insufficient because you keep a house empty in your home country? (Why didn't you rent it out?)
What really matters is how much did you save out of that in your home country currency?
To all of you with the same situation as MC, maybe you should consider to stay at home instead. Then all problems with currency fluctuations, two houses etc would not be an issue.
Singapore is a great place to live. If you still don't want to commit to live here for a few years then I suggest a commuting contract with Korean instead.
I said I'm glad to be HERE. Now.
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Glad to hear you happy where you are.
Looking at a few of your previous posts one would think otherwise.
I also note that you are paying over S$6000 per month for accommodation which does make your S$300,000 plus salary look a lot less. Also you had a$72,000 bonus and also you now have only 10% tax which does rather change matters and sweetens the pill regarding your previous complaints aired in pprune of "unsustainable positioning in Economy and lousy rosters,etc etc" You have made some pretty scathing comments about SIA Cargo in the past.
As I said before what is important is how much are you saving in your home currency after school fees and all the other expenses.?? One of these days you will retire.
Personally I found it necessary to keep a home available in my home country as I would not want to spend each day of every month in Singapore which we as Pilots do not have to endure so I would not expect my family to do so either as it is (IMO) somewhat stifling month after month without a break and in any case I educated mine in the UK so a home there was essential.
As far as a commuting job with KAL I notice that you were enquiring about that as well in a previous post just a few months ago.Why was that?
Glad to hear you happy where you are.
Looking at a few of your previous posts one would think otherwise.
I also note that you are paying over S$6000 per month for accommodation which does make your S$300,000 plus salary look a lot less. Also you had a$72,000 bonus and also you now have only 10% tax which does rather change matters and sweetens the pill regarding your previous complaints aired in pprune of "unsustainable positioning in Economy and lousy rosters,etc etc" You have made some pretty scathing comments about SIA Cargo in the past.
As I said before what is important is how much are you saving in your home currency after school fees and all the other expenses.?? One of these days you will retire.
Personally I found it necessary to keep a home available in my home country as I would not want to spend each day of every month in Singapore which we as Pilots do not have to endure so I would not expect my family to do so either as it is (IMO) somewhat stifling month after month without a break and in any case I educated mine in the UK so a home there was essential.
As far as a commuting job with KAL I notice that you were enquiring about that as well in a previous post just a few months ago.Why was that?
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expat400-great post...!
expat400,
Excellent post......!!!...
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And thx for the info that the rentals are indeed part of the salary itself and do not as such require the production of 'reciepts' as such. I assume that is correct.
Now is the same valid for the kids schooling allowances?? If my kids,both below 14 are for some time( until i settle down in Singapore say 6-8 months ie during my training ) schooling in my country of origin and I do have valid fee reciepts from their International Schools.Would I then be able to claim their schooling allowances from SIA. Just a thought. And from your previous posts you seem to be just the right man to ask...!! You look to be a very optimistic pilot who's obviously enjoying his tenure with SIA and his stay in Singapore. The kinds we like.....
. Keep up the good work.
Thx in advance for the info.
Cheers now.
Excellent post......!!!...
.And thx for the info that the rentals are indeed part of the salary itself and do not as such require the production of 'reciepts' as such. I assume that is correct.
Now is the same valid for the kids schooling allowances?? If my kids,both below 14 are for some time( until i settle down in Singapore say 6-8 months ie during my training ) schooling in my country of origin and I do have valid fee reciepts from their International Schools.Would I then be able to claim their schooling allowances from SIA. Just a thought. And from your previous posts you seem to be just the right man to ask...!! You look to be a very optimistic pilot who's obviously enjoying his tenure with SIA and his stay in Singapore. The kinds we like.....
. Keep up the good work.Thx in advance for the info.
Cheers now.
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All school fees receipts are required otherwise no payments made by SIA.Doris will see to that and go through every receipt with a fine tooth comb.
Have you actually applied to SIA I wonder and what makes you think they would accept you?
I see in the past you applied to EK as a F/O and got rejected. You later said you met the requirements for EK as a DEC and you said you were in the EK holding pool. Are you still in it or have you drowned?
Later on again you said you applied to Etihad but had had no reply from them I wonder why that is??
From what I can tell you are a current B737 Captain. Nothing wrong in that as I was one once but until you have widebody international experience your options are more limiting.
Please keep us readers informed about your application to SIA as you have now had answers to every question under the sun possible from the likes of expat 400 and others.
All school fees receipts are required otherwise no payments made by SIA.Doris will see to that and go through every receipt with a fine tooth comb.
Have you actually applied to SIA I wonder and what makes you think they would accept you?
I see in the past you applied to EK as a F/O and got rejected. You later said you met the requirements for EK as a DEC and you said you were in the EK holding pool. Are you still in it or have you drowned?
Later on again you said you applied to Etihad but had had no reply from them I wonder why that is??
From what I can tell you are a current B737 Captain. Nothing wrong in that as I was one once but until you have widebody international experience your options are more limiting.
Please keep us readers informed about your application to SIA as you have now had answers to every question under the sun possible from the likes of expat 400 and others.
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How can my rent "make my salary look less"? 300000 is 300000 regardless of my rent. I pay approximately 25 % of my net salary for my accommodation. If you take a look at the world around you that is not considered excessive.
I have complained a lot about rostering and I stand by that. My first reply to you was in respect to your degrading comment on the remuneration in SIA and SIA Cargo.
Of course I will retire on day. That's why I invest about 20 % of my salary. The Singapore dollar fluctuates like most currencies (just look at the Pound over the last months) but I can't base my judgment on today's rate. You have to see it over time.
You personally want to keep your home in UK during your stay in Singapore. That's up to you but do you really think that the package should pay for two homes? And do you think it's the company's fault when currency fluctuations make that more difficult?
Why did I inquire about KAL? That's easy. IF I decide to move from Singapore I wouldn't sit on Pprune or in bars and complain about SIA not giving me the opportunity to commute. I'd find an employer that does.
How can my rent "make my salary look less"? 300000 is 300000 regardless of my rent. I pay approximately 25 % of my net salary for my accommodation. If you take a look at the world around you that is not considered excessive.
I have complained a lot about rostering and I stand by that. My first reply to you was in respect to your degrading comment on the remuneration in SIA and SIA Cargo.
Of course I will retire on day. That's why I invest about 20 % of my salary. The Singapore dollar fluctuates like most currencies (just look at the Pound over the last months) but I can't base my judgment on today's rate. You have to see it over time.
You personally want to keep your home in UK during your stay in Singapore. That's up to you but do you really think that the package should pay for two homes? And do you think it's the company's fault when currency fluctuations make that more difficult?
Why did I inquire about KAL? That's easy. IF I decide to move from Singapore I wouldn't sit on Pprune or in bars and complain about SIA not giving me the opportunity to commute. I'd find an employer that does.
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Now is the same valid for the kids schooling allowances?? If my kids,both below 14 are for some time( until i settle down in Singapore say 6-8 months ie during my training ) schooling in my country of origin and I do have valid fee reciepts from their International Schools.Would I then be able to claim their schooling allowances from SIA.
Don't hold your breath until your children go to a school in Singapore you won't get any reimbursment at all. You're also on the hook for all the deposits and fees associated with the enrollment. In addition, only tuition is reimbursable. You will find the "hidden" fees overwhelming at some schools. That is if you can get into the first tier international schools.
Don't hold your breath until your children go to a school in Singapore you won't get any reimbursment at all. You're also on the hook for all the deposits and fees associated with the enrollment. In addition, only tuition is reimbursable. You will find the "hidden" fees overwhelming at some schools. That is if you can get into the first tier international schools.
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Oh dear we are getting touchy.
I said I was glad to hear you were happy where you are.
Nothing "degrading" about me being happy I am not there anymore.
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Expat packages used to include free accommodation and utilities but as T & C's go down they are becoming more rare. My first two expat positions did just that with 8 weeks leave as well.This mean't one could keep one's own home if required or to let out as personal circumstances dictate.
Still as you only get 4 weeks leave pa in Cargo and ID 90's not available for you I guess there is no point in keeping a home base available.
Oh dear we are getting touchy.
I said I was glad to hear you were happy where you are.
Nothing "degrading" about me being happy I am not there anymore.
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Expat packages used to include free accommodation and utilities but as T & C's go down they are becoming more rare. My first two expat positions did just that with 8 weeks leave as well.This mean't one could keep one's own home if required or to let out as personal circumstances dictate.
Still as you only get 4 weeks leave pa in Cargo and ID 90's not available for you I guess there is no point in keeping a home base available.
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Have they moved the goalposts re education allowance?
I got mine paid despite them being educated in the UK? That included University fees although they stopped at 21 and were pro rata'd to the exact date!!!
Expat400
You say you would not sit on pprune and complain about SIA. Blimey how can you say that?
You have complained about rostering going from bad to worse.
You have complained about lack of private life making a lot of people unhappy
You have complained about the amount of positioning in economy saying it is unsustainable
You have complained about the need for more vacation
You have complained about staff travel
You have said the job is only for bachelors (or you will become one)
The only thing you have not complained about on pprune ( unlike others) is the rental allowance being inadequate as you say you are happy to pay in excess ofS$6000 per month.
There is nothing else left to complain about I would have thought as you have exhausted and covered most points!
Have they moved the goalposts re education allowance?
I got mine paid despite them being educated in the UK? That included University fees although they stopped at 21 and were pro rata'd to the exact date!!!
Expat400
You say you would not sit on pprune and complain about SIA. Blimey how can you say that?
You have complained about rostering going from bad to worse.
You have complained about lack of private life making a lot of people unhappy
You have complained about the amount of positioning in economy saying it is unsustainable
You have complained about the need for more vacation
You have complained about staff travel
You have said the job is only for bachelors (or you will become one)
The only thing you have not complained about on pprune ( unlike others) is the rental allowance being inadequate as you say you are happy to pay in excess ofS$6000 per month.
There is nothing else left to complain about I would have thought as you have exhausted and covered most points!
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"Show Me the Money"
While not discounting the fact that for most, compensation is probably the primary factor in evaluating a job, but is it the only one? What about working conditions: hours of service, roster stability, pilot input to roster, company attitude and treatment of crew, company training philosophy, engineering etc…These are the subjective issues about the job that unfortunately can not be evaluated until employed.
SIA’s training bond scheme is not primarily meant to prevent pilots from joining just to get a rating/type experience. It’s meant to keep you here once you find out the truth about the intangibles.
Reading all these posts would give credibility to the oft-said comment that most pilots are basically whores. They’ll do most anything as along as the money’s ok. Pity, as managements the world over are acutely aware of this as well.
PQ
SIA’s training bond scheme is not primarily meant to prevent pilots from joining just to get a rating/type experience. It’s meant to keep you here once you find out the truth about the intangibles.
Reading all these posts would give credibility to the oft-said comment that most pilots are basically whores. They’ll do most anything as along as the money’s ok. Pity, as managements the world over are acutely aware of this as well.
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Hi All
Just wandering if a loss of licence scheme is available to SQ pilots. Also given the bad press that companies like KAL are recieving about their training enviroment , can anyone please elaborate a little on what its like at SQ ( the training and checking enviroment) or is it also draconian like.
Also if anyone has left the sandpit for SQ in recent years please would you PM me , as I have a few questions.
Much obliged.
Just wandering if a loss of licence scheme is available to SQ pilots. Also given the bad press that companies like KAL are recieving about their training enviroment , can anyone please elaborate a little on what its like at SQ ( the training and checking enviroment) or is it also draconian like.
Also if anyone has left the sandpit for SQ in recent years please would you PM me , as I have a few questions.
Much obliged.
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Phil
Have they moved the goalposts re education allowance?
I got mine paid despite them being educated in the UK? That included University fees although they stopped at 21 and were pro rata'd to the exact date!!!
MC, the education allowance for people who came under that scheme is still the same. However, people joining now will only get the education allowance for children in school in SIN. Nothing for UNI either......
I do have to laugh though, it is cheaper for me to send my son to UNI (UEA) than it is to send him to school in SIN.
Cheers
Have they moved the goalposts re education allowance?
I got mine paid despite them being educated in the UK? That included University fees although they stopped at 21 and were pro rata'd to the exact date!!!
MC, the education allowance for people who came under that scheme is still the same. However, people joining now will only get the education allowance for children in school in SIN. Nothing for UNI either......
I do have to laugh though, it is cheaper for me to send my son to UNI (UEA) than it is to send him to school in SIN.
Cheers
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Have you really gone through all my posts on PPRune? Amazing...
"You have complained about rostering going from bad to worse.
You have complained about lack of private life making a lot of people unhappy"
Those two refer to rostering don't they? I stand behind that critique as said.
"You have complained about the amount of positioning in economy saying it is unsustainable"
Can't remember that. I have never felt that the paxing is a problem since I've mostly done it in First or Business. Which post are you referring to?
" You have complained about the need for more vacation"
I remember saying that mainline is better because they have more vacation but have I "complained about the need"? If I have, ok, but please show me where?
" You have complained about staff travel"
Of course! So have everyone in both SIA and SIA Cargo!
" You have said the job is only for bachelors (or you will become one)"
That one I remember. But you need to read more carefully. That comment was regarding a commuting contract in the Middle East with six weeks on two weeks off. Nothing to do with SIA Cargo.
"Expat packages used to include free accommodation and utilities but as T & C's go down they are becoming more rare. My first two expat positions did just that with 8 weeks leave as well.This mean't one could keep one's own home if required or to let out as personal circumstances dictate."
Yes, and the gas used to be 50 cent per gallon. You could have sex without getting HIV etc etc.
Maybe you should change your "I'm glad I'm not there" to "I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced a different era".
Look around, the package in SIA or SIA Cargo is not a bad expat contract. Of course it cannot be compared with major airlines in Europe but on the other side you can't get a DEC position there so...
Have you really gone through all my posts on PPRune? Amazing...
"You have complained about rostering going from bad to worse.
You have complained about lack of private life making a lot of people unhappy"
Those two refer to rostering don't they? I stand behind that critique as said.
"You have complained about the amount of positioning in economy saying it is unsustainable"
Can't remember that. I have never felt that the paxing is a problem since I've mostly done it in First or Business. Which post are you referring to?
" You have complained about the need for more vacation"
I remember saying that mainline is better because they have more vacation but have I "complained about the need"? If I have, ok, but please show me where?
" You have complained about staff travel"
Of course! So have everyone in both SIA and SIA Cargo!
" You have said the job is only for bachelors (or you will become one)"
That one I remember. But you need to read more carefully. That comment was regarding a commuting contract in the Middle East with six weeks on two weeks off. Nothing to do with SIA Cargo.
"Expat packages used to include free accommodation and utilities but as T & C's go down they are becoming more rare. My first two expat positions did just that with 8 weeks leave as well.This mean't one could keep one's own home if required or to let out as personal circumstances dictate."
Yes, and the gas used to be 50 cent per gallon. You could have sex without getting HIV etc etc.
Maybe you should change your "I'm glad I'm not there" to "I'm glad I'm old enough to have experienced a different era".
Look around, the package in SIA or SIA Cargo is not a bad expat contract. Of course it cannot be compared with major airlines in Europe but on the other side you can't get a DEC position there so...
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MC.....Wow...!!
MC,
Seriously. u amaze me. Whats ur other pastime besides hacking into the pprune search engine 24x7 and lookin for contradictory threads from peeps who disagree with you on the forum...!!
Seriously tommy,u NEED a job......and while u're at it stop poppin those little white pills.....
Chill now bro....grab a cold one....
Seriously. u amaze me. Whats ur other pastime besides hacking into the pprune search engine 24x7 and lookin for contradictory threads from peeps who disagree with you on the forum...!!
Seriously tommy,u NEED a job......and while u're at it stop poppin those little white pills.....
Chill now bro....grab a cold one....
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Took me all of 15 minutes to have a look at you and expat 400's previous posts.
If you speak in the same schoolboy way you write I am not surprised that both EK and EY are not interested in your services. I very much doubt whether SIA will be either so keep on "dreaming"
Expat400
Just wanted to see whether there was any substance to your pious statement that you would not sit on pprune and criticise SIA but I discovered otherwise
Took me all of 15 minutes to have a look at you and expat 400's previous posts.
If you speak in the same schoolboy way you write I am not surprised that both EK and EY are not interested in your services. I very much doubt whether SIA will be either so keep on "dreaming"
Expat400
Just wanted to see whether there was any substance to your pious statement that you would not sit on pprune and criticise SIA but I discovered otherwise
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The 15 minutes was not enough as I showed you in all your mistakes regarding my earlier posts.
Don't bang your head to hard. It obviously make reading hard for you....
"and complain about SIA not giving me the opportunity to commute."
Did I say I'd never complain? How could I? I'm a pilot. We always complain. Just look at yourself...
The 15 minutes was not enough as I showed you in all your mistakes regarding my earlier posts.
Don't bang your head to hard. It obviously make reading hard for you....
"and complain about SIA not giving me the opportunity to commute."
Did I say I'd never complain? How could I? I'm a pilot. We always complain. Just look at yourself...
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Unlike you I did not make a "high and mighty" statement that I would not sit on pprune and complain which was what you did.
I take due note of your admission that you do so welcome to the club
Unlike you I did not make a "high and mighty" statement that I would not sit on pprune and complain which was what you did.
I take due note of your admission that you do so welcome to the club