Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977
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Nah, he was in some bushy outfits in Africa then conned his way into Kuwaiti in the 90's and subsequently padded enough hours and dodgy ratings into some highly creative cv which " impressed " the hilly billies in Korean Air where he was initially accepted onto the A300-600. Brown nosed onto the B744 bypassing more qualified senior guys who played by the rules.
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CVR tapes
Ganga,
I have not heard the tapes but read somewhere it was a blodd curdling plea from the f/O to the hijacker not to shoot. Must be a really terrifying 30-40 minutes flight down to JHB; time tends to be really slow in such situations. Sampan asked as to whether any cabin crew tried to saved the ill-fated from it's deadly plunge; a senior colleague did mentioned sometime ago that there were indications that someone try to pull on the control column. Alas, our conversation took a turn away to the sins of the so called pariah lato!
I have not heard the tapes but read somewhere it was a blodd curdling plea from the f/O to the hijacker not to shoot. Must be a really terrifying 30-40 minutes flight down to JHB; time tends to be really slow in such situations. Sampan asked as to whether any cabin crew tried to saved the ill-fated from it's deadly plunge; a senior colleague did mentioned sometime ago that there were indications that someone try to pull on the control column. Alas, our conversation took a turn away to the sins of the so called pariah lato!
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i beleive the A/C went into a stall,recovered on its own due correct CG,and did a few more of these stall and recovery oscilations before impacting the ground.....very little could be recovered from the wreckage
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An old timer told me that the autopilot disengaged during the killing of the pilots and the plane went into a dive as the pilots slumped on the control columns. Someone ( presumably a cabin crew ) tried to pull it out of the dive......a futile effort and the rest was history.
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29th December 2009, 20:10 #74 (permalink) leftseatview
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MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too)
The boeing 737s(200s and later variants too) hidden bug was the rudder hard over problem.
IMHO it is statistically very unlikely that there is yet another bug waiting to bite.
An interesting descent profile comparision would be with the Egypt Air 767 suspected siucide/mass murder.
By the way that suspect was also ex-milatary
What would make the 737 safer would be a flight envelope protection system like on the airbus family.
The Turkish crash on approcah at Amsterdam is the latest 737 stall down accident.
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The above is from another thread namely, the truth about the silkair MI 185 disaster.
I wonder whether leftseatview is privy to more accurate information. From what I know there were only 2 shots and the plane indeed went into a stall and then doved into the swamp at Tanjung Kupang.
If there were indeed 3 shots, were the recordings of the CVR heard during MAS SEP classes doctored? This is troubling!
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MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too)
The boeing 737s(200s and later variants too) hidden bug was the rudder hard over problem.
IMHO it is statistically very unlikely that there is yet another bug waiting to bite.
An interesting descent profile comparision would be with the Egypt Air 767 suspected siucide/mass murder.
By the way that suspect was also ex-milatary
What would make the 737 safer would be a flight envelope protection system like on the airbus family.
The Turkish crash on approcah at Amsterdam is the latest 737 stall down accident.
/QUOTE]
The above is from another thread namely, the truth about the silkair MI 185 disaster.
I wonder whether leftseatview is privy to more accurate information. From what I know there were only 2 shots and the plane indeed went into a stall and then doved into the swamp at Tanjung Kupang.
If there were indeed 3 shots, were the recordings of the CVR heard during MAS SEP classes doctored? This is troubling!
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
This thread has degenerated to the lowest possible level one could imagine and is an insult to Babu his crew and passengers lost over Johore in a most heinous and despicable manner.
It saddens me to see the level of disrespect to the dead shown here and all of you should be utterly disgusted with your good selves.
If any of you actually knew Babu you would understand that he was a total pacifist and did not ever engage in petulant bickering. He would be shocked to see how Malaysian society has degenerated into a squalid mannerless quagmire. Is this what we have become in the second decade of the twenty first century?
With utter abhorrence,
Wooblah.
This thread has degenerated to the lowest possible level one could imagine and is an insult to Babu his crew and passengers lost over Johore in a most heinous and despicable manner.
It saddens me to see the level of disrespect to the dead shown here and all of you should be utterly disgusted with your good selves.
If any of you actually knew Babu you would understand that he was a total pacifist and did not ever engage in petulant bickering. He would be shocked to see how Malaysian society has degenerated into a squalid mannerless quagmire. Is this what we have become in the second decade of the twenty first century?
With utter abhorrence,
Wooblah.
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Debonaire,
Please start a new thread and do all you fighting and revealing there. It would be the right thing to let this thread remain dedicated to MH 653 and accord due respect to the souls lost.
Wooblah.
Please start a new thread and do all you fighting and revealing there. It would be the right thing to let this thread remain dedicated to MH 653 and accord due respect to the souls lost.
Wooblah.
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Surely you dont believe he is 39?????- be careful everyone for i think he is who i think he is. Yesterday 07:56
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Hijack & suicide?
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If the hijacker shot himself, was this the first of " suicide hijack " not dissimilar to the 911 terror act in NYC?
Also, this would have put paid to the " air rage " theory that was bandied around not too long ago. I am sure someone is privy to more critical information than had been revealed so far.
MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too
Also, this would have put paid to the " air rage " theory that was bandied around not too long ago. I am sure someone is privy to more critical information than had been revealed so far.
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It's a pity those gems of a post on this thread have been removed. They truly point out a lot about the main players in the piss up over certain sad but true information. I think some persons were baiting the 2 person tag team to expose their true characters and succeeded!
Vel Paar, you have to understand that the " air rage " theory was the best available explanation offered privately by elements of the ruling regime to avoid opening a really big vat of worms.
It is hoped that someday, someone will come forward with more hard evidence; let this thread continue to that day.
Vel Paar, you have to understand that the " air rage " theory was the best available explanation offered privately by elements of the ruling regime to avoid opening a really big vat of worms.
It is hoped that someday, someone will come forward with more hard evidence; let this thread continue to that day.
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The wikipedia entry for this tragedy needs to be revised or additions/amendments made.
As for debonaire1900, a google search will certainly turn up many interesting leads
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As for debonaire1900, a google search will certainly turn up many interesting leads
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Many posts ago, someone opined that this thread ought to be closed but debonaire1900 was vociferous that it remain open. Now he tried to close it down! And the moderators obliged partly by removing some of the recent posts. And debby had the audacity to call MMB a chicken! What a dimwit with a chicken up his six!
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Any ex MH guys recruited by pariah lato to Jet Airways?
Just like to know if any MH guys took the bait and ended up with Jet Airways.........how are they doing now with the lay offs in Jet?
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Not aware that anyone in MH really took up the pariah lato's recruitment offer.
datogu.......please change your name, " MONA " is not a nice term for Sikhs. I believe someone did copy down those gems for exposing debby's six later. BTW, debby how's the speed date going?
datogu.......please change your name, " MONA " is not a nice term for Sikhs. I believe someone did copy down those gems for exposing debby's six later. BTW, debby how's the speed date going?
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Teg, don't get your turban all twisted up over the word " mona ". If it is derogatory, it fits the pariah lato well with the caveat that due apologies be extended to the other sikhs who also decided to go turbanless. You cannot count the pariah as a model sikh; moreover with latoship means he has to wear songkok in all official bodek ceremonies which is worse than being " mona ".
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This thread is really showing up the apathy and lack of righteousness amongst Malaysian pilots. Gandhi once said something which appear like this : " the bad things in this world happens not due to evil people but due to good people doing nothing to stem out the evil doers ". Food for thought guys and also your conscience. Now let's see if the soppy rain and debby arse resurface from the cesspit.
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Now, now, careful MM, the debby arse and rainy fella are gunning for your hide. They also threatened one Mat Tongkang with their long reach and deep pockets. Remember the pariah offspring is quite " active " in MAS to quote some rainy sop.
Lack of righteousness? It can never happen to me they think. Well kichi pariah bai is "active", so history can repeat itself more often than not. Already the arrogant and kurang ajar traits are already showing..........................
Lack of righteousness? It can never happen to me they think. Well kichi pariah bai is "active", so history can repeat itself more often than not. Already the arrogant and kurang ajar traits are already showing..........................
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Aiya, MAS pilots very takut one especially the cina pek ones. Aiyo, cannot stand up for other people, must protect my rice bowl. Aiyo, bai latuk lah he got deep pockets and many "powderful" friends so he might make life very difficult one. Also what can I do.............but these useless mata sepets will complain to hell's end about this injustice, that inhumanity, blah, blah, blah when you fly with them or go makan with them. Ask them to take up a cause, they really turn yellow. I heard the same thing happen to the cina peks in kimchiland when Leong was bullied and harassed....pathetic! As for the anans with ancestry in the subcontinent, same thing except they got no clue as to what is happening. Just buta buta follow because again the big latuk thing.........hey people, listen the big latuk thing is gone! Latuks are now despised and recognised as conmen, pests and parasites, get it.
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